JFK Assassination

[markw]

Look, your John Wayne attitude solves nothing, but that's the american way,I guess.
Native American genocide rings a bell?

And, where did those original Americans come from? Hint.. they are not indigenous to this country.

You want me to believe that Ronald Reagan (LOL) stopped the USSR. Man oh man you are so ignorant. How about giving some kudos to Gorbatchev. He knew the Communist model is not workable not through some gun waving wild west nonsense.[

No. All the presidents since WWII contributed to that. Gorbachov was only the first Russian to admit that their economy tanked. You still don't see why, do you? Pity...

As for east germany the east german government surpressed its people yet all top brass lived in the American sector in West-Berlin lead through at Check Point Charlie on your watch. Well done.All well documented and public information.

And? Your point is? As long as the as the correct papers we couldn't stop them. Remember, we're the good guys.

And one more, you stood by and watched the wall been put up.That was really helpful. And this happened in August 1961, but then you knew that,didn't you.

That was an greement made between Russia and the US after WWII. They controlled that sector. Again, you want John Wayne to come in and free the East Germans? Why couldn't you? You have al the answers and seem to blame us for the consequences your country suffered after losing the two world wars it started in less than 40 years.

As for Heinz that isn't my name. Is that the best you can do?

As per Goeff's requsst, I'll withdraw that. The Eurotrash is still in the air though.

And as for being in the service-I am not impressed by goons in Uniform.How come the military is always equated with good.Far from it. True, I have first hand accounts of heroic acts being done by people in uniform, but those guys would have performed those acts anyway-Uniform or no Uniform- it's in you or it's not. But there are many more awful,cruel and sadistic acts performed in the name of doing good. Put an uneducated bully(and they are plentiful) in a uniform and watch what happens. Anybody who want's to join an outfit where you could get shot at or even worse-get killed, has to have some sort of defect in it's make up.

Ah, I see... Veddy intelesting...It's perfectly all right for you to expect, no, demand, that Americans come over and risk their lives to make it all good for you, but all you want to do is sit back and criticize. Yep, the eurotrash comment stands.

I think it is you who needs to take a course in recent world history. Your comments are a typical example of somebody who has been brainwashed.I pitty you.

No. Where do you think the world would be without us. Hint.. think East Germany.

During the recent Hurricane disaster, two german Hospital Planes,where in the air within hours and on their way to help the american people,

Yeah, we rahank you for your meager contribution. The logistics involved in loading ans sending two airplanes is compare to dealing with 30,000 square miles of flooded land.

Get yer priorities straight Both were turned back and the reason-"Thanks, but we have it all under controll."

Get your realities straight. Those two token airplanes weren't a drop in the bucket for all the problems involved in trucking all the goods to where they could do the most good. Remember, we airdropped food to your grandparents because we couldn't land anywhere near where we could do any good.

Well, we saw how it was all under controll and the world was left in no doubt how much value the US Government places on the life of it's citizens.

And, in case you don't know it, there were local and state politicians marking their own turf in the way. Had the Feds overruled them, the problems would have been minimized but it's too late for that. ..but laws preclude that ...for now.

As for doing good for the world-which country has ever used Nuclear weapons? Any ideas? Ask the people of Japan how much good the US has done. People there suffering to this day from the after effects.But then you knew that too.

Ohhh.. I was wondering when you would bring that up. And, how many countries besides Japan pulled off a sneak attack of that magnatude on a military base during peace time. Also, those two bombs saved more lives on both sides that he inevitable invasion of Japan would have cost. Period.

... and don't kid yourself, kid. You guys were working on nuclear weapons, too. The heavy water experiments uncovered after the war proved that. It's only our superior science and industry (and a bunch of really smart Jews) that allowed us to attain that goal before you. In spite of all your peaceful posturing, it almost sounds like you're sorry you didn't.

The US has a duty to give back to the world and here is why. The US are the biggest poluter of the planet and the largest user of resources per head.

And, we're also the biggest prodiucer in the world and export more in foreign aid, both goods and money, than anyone else. ..and when shiit hits the fan, who does the world come crying to to save them? Hint... it ain't germany.

I used to think you are just annoyingly arrogant but it seems you're just thick.

And, I always thought you were simply ignorant and a bit proud but now I'm leaning towards totally anti-American and simply jealous of our countries accomplishments,

[Bernd]

And, where did those original Americans come from? Hint.. they are not indigenous to this country.


No. All the presidents since WWII contributed to that. Gorbachov was only the first Russian to admit that their economy tanked. You still don't see why, do you? Pity...


And? Your point is? As long as the as the correct papers we couldn't stop them. Remember, we're the good guys.



That was an greement made between Russia and the US after WWII. They controlled that sector. Again, you want John Wayne to come in and free the East Germans? Why couldn't you? You have al the answers and seem to blame us for the consequences your country suffered after losing the two world wars it started in less than 40 years.


As per Goeff's requsst, I'll withdraw that. The Eurotrash is still in the air though.



Ah, I see... Veddy intelesting...It's perfectly all right for you to expect, no, demand, that Americans come over and risk their lives to make it all good for you, but all you want to do is sit back and criticize. Yep, the eurotrash comment stands.


No. Where do you think the world would be without us. Hint.. think East Germany.

Yeah, we rahank you for your meager contribution. The logistics involved in loading ans sending two airplanes is compare to dealing with 30,000 square miles of flooded land.

Get your realities straight. Those two token airplanes weren't a drop in the bucket for all the problems involved in trucking all the goods to where they could do the most good. Remember, we airdropped food to your grandparents because we couldn't land anywhere near where we could do any good.

And, in case you don't know it, there were local and state politicians marking their own turf in the way. Had the Feds overruled them, the problems would have been minimized but it's too late for that. ..but laws preclude that ...for now.

Ohhh.. I was wondering when you would bring that up. And, how many countries besides Japan pulled off a sneak attack of that magnatude on a military base during peace time. Also, those two bombs saved more lives on both sides that he inevitable invasion of Japan would have cost. Period.

... and don't kid yourself, kid. You guys were working on nuclear weapons, too. The heavy water experiments uncovered after the war proved that. It's only our superior science and industry (and a bunch of really smart Jews) that allowed us to attain that goal before you. In spite of all your peaceful posturing, it almost sounds like you're sorry you didn't.


And, we're also the biggest prodiucer in the world and export more in foreign aid, both goods and money, than anyone else. ..and when shiit hits the fan, who does the world come crying to to save them? Hint... it ain't germany.


And, I always thought you were simply ignorant and a bit proud but now I'm leaning towards totally anti-American and simply jealous of our countries accomplishments,

I shall only respond to your first and last line as the rest is too far gone into Jingoism territory.

The original americans are mostly people from europe who couldn't hack it over here or who messed up badly or just plain stupid.
That's how you got Carl Panzram.
Just to make it very clear I am not anti american, and certainly not jealous of Big Macs and Super Size, just anti lies and pro human rights.

Have a nice day

Bernd

[markw]

I shall only respond to your first and last line as the rest is too far gone into Jingoism territory.

and a fitting response to your posts.

The original americans are mostly people from europe who couldn't hack it over here or who messed up badly or just plain stupid.

Now you're simply grasping at straws. Actually, a lot came here for religious and political freedom. They must have had something in them since, within a few generations, they were the basis of the biggest nation in the world who did more for human rights than any other nation in the history of the world.

I do note that during the revolution, the German mercaneries were paid by England, though.

That's how you got Carl Panzram.

Actually, he was BORN here of parents who, by the way, had recently immigrated from Germany. So, you're saying that they knew they were going to spawn a serial killer and chose to come here to do it?
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Just to make it very clear I am not anti american, and certainly not jealous of Big Macs and Super Size, just anti lies and pro human rights.

You are so willing to search out and believe the worst lies and ignore the good truths that I find your purported altruism to be transparent. No, you've got that same "master race" attitude that seem to be endemic your people.

[Bernd]

and a fitting response to your posts.

Now you're simply grasping at straws. Actually, a lot came here for religious and political freedom. They must have had something in them since, within a few generations, they were the basis of the biggest nation in the world who did more for human rights than any other nation in the history of the world.

I do note that during the revolution, the German mercaneries were paid by England, though.


Actually, he was BORN here of parents who, by the way, had recently immigrated from Germany. So, you're saying that they knew they were going to spawn a serial killer and chose to come here to do it?
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You are so willing to search out and believe the worst lies and ignore the good truths that I find your purported altruism to be transparent. No, you've got that same "master race" attitude that seem to be endemic your people.

Anyway nice to have an exchange of views. You will never convince me that the US are the greatest nation on this planet that only ever do good and everybody envies as I have no intention to tediously point out the failures.
Just one thing that I forgot in my hasty last response. The two bombs on Japan. How do you know how many lives were saved by dropping Nuclear Bombs on ordinary people. That is a big statement and shows either a great deal of arrogance or stupidity. Or the use of a secret time machine.I would love to know.
No master race gene in me I am affraid, I think it has emigrated, too.Guess where to? That's why I work for myself. Only answerable to myself.

Take it easy-you win

Bernd

[markw]

Anyway nice to have an exchange of views. You will never convince me that the US are the greatest nation on this planet that only ever do good and everybody envies as I have no intention to tediously point out the failures.
Just one thing that I forgot in my hasty last response. The two bombs on Japan. How do you know how many lives were saved by dropping Nuclear Bombs on ordinary people. That is a big statement and shows either a great deal of arrogance or stupidity. Or the use of a secret time machine.I would love to know.
No master race gene in me I am affraid, I think it has emigrated, too.Guess where to? That's why I work for myself. Only answerable to myself.

Take it easy-you win

Bernd

But, you are so enthustiac about whatever wrong you precieve that you believe that it outweighs all the good we've done and will continue to do.

As for the bombs on Japan, get over it. You think the inevitable full scale invasion of the main island would have saved lives? Wrong! Better minds than yours weighed the costs and benefits. It's done and it WAS the right thing to do at that time. You have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about.

Learn some history along with economics. Perhaps then you'll come off actually knowing something rather than blindly reacting to your emotions.

Perhaps the master race has emigrated. ..to England.

[Bernd]

But, you are so enthustiac about whatever wrong you precieve that you believe that it outweighs all the good we've done and will continue to do.

As for the bombs on Japan, get over it. Better minds than yours weighed the costs and benefits. It's done and it WAS the right thing to do at that time. You have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about.

Learn some history along with economics. Perhaps then you'll come off actually knowing something rather than blindly reacting to your emotions.

Once again Mark just your opinion and no direct answer to my question. Anyway I enjoyed this little tet-a tet and you are wrong. Nothing is more counter productive to me then having to point out faults (I judge Dogs-and one judges Virtues not faults,same as I try to do with everything else). Many great things come from your great nation, but not all and not all are good. You came over as blowing the trumpet of the all knowing all conquering Yank.Which, if that is you, then good luck to you and we have nothing in common. If not then I am sure we could have a great night over some cool Beer (make it Czech i.e. neutral) one day.
Till then you enjoy being an american I enjoy being european and am thankful for having had this opportunity to exchange views.
Let there be music.

Bernd

[Resident Loser]

...perhaps you didn't get the chance to read this...

http://forums.audioreview.com/off-topic-non-audio/so-flo-you-learn-your-mistakes-eh-13677-post104940.html

From Sept. '05, it is obviously a response to Florian, when he did one of his idiotic, Euro-centric, finger-pointing tirades...give it a little time for the system to get to post #62 in the thread...

More than enough blame to go around I think...

And the two A-bombs...How many more people would have died (on both sides) in an all-out, b@!!$-to-the-wall invasion of the Japanese homeland? In addition it was obviously of great propaganda value, as it most likely kept Stalin and the USSR in check...a divided Germany would have been small potatoes...

As a history buff (in fact as someone who wanted to be, but never became, a history teacher), I have found that there is more than meets the eye when it comes to nearly any event...just don't take things at face value...

jimHJJ(...look beyond the obvious...)

[Bernd]

...perhaps you didn't get the chance to read this...

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?p=104940

From Sept. '05, it is obviously a response to Florian, when he did one of his idiotic, Euro-centric, finger-pointing tirades...give it a little time for the system to get to post #62 in the thread...

More than enough blame to go around I think...

And the two A-bombs...How many more people would have died (on both sides) in an all-out, b@!!$-to-the-wall invasion of the Japanese homeland? In addition it was obviously of great propaganda value, as it most likely kept Stalin and the USSR in check...a divided Germany would have been small potatoes...

As a history buff (in fact as someone who wanted to be, but never became, a history teacher), I have found that there is more than meets the eye when it comes to nearly any event...just don't take things at face value...

jimHJJ(...look beyond the obvious...)

Thanks Jim,

I am no History buff. I am just interested especially in recent history as it is that that shaped Europe and especially my country and Family.
As I popinted out before my grandfather, on mothers, side was completely anti nazi and even lost his Head teaching position to become a toilet cleaner in the same school. Whereas my fathers father had his own very successful business and was a through and through Nazi and Gestapo Officer.We have a signed copy of "Mein Kampf" with special wishes to ...
He ended up doing 8 years in Spandau and when released became an alcoholic. Just couldn't deal with that the 1000 year Reich dream had vanished. That in turn deprived my dad of his childhood and now he is an alcoholic and a very bitter man (never left germany).
On the other side of the coin the peaceloving headmaster lived to a ripe old age and taught many children the value of respecting your fellow man,the utmost importance of the truth and the total nonsense of superiority. I guess I take after that side-Thank God or who ever needs thanking.

How is the Snow?

Peace

Bernd

[E-Stat]

The original americans are mostly people from europe who couldn't hack it over here or who messed up badly or just plain stupid.

Original Americans from Europe? Take out your globe and compare the width of the Bering Strait to The Atlantic Ocean.

rw

[Bernd]

Original Americans from Europe? Take out your globe and compare the width of the Bering Strait to The Atlantic Ocean.

rw

Thank you for your input, but I think we didn't talk about the Native Americans.

Bernd

[trollgirl]

Original Americans from Europe? Take out your globe and compare the width of the Bering Strait to The Atlantic Ocean.

rw

...people seem to have come here from all over. There is the majority opinion that Native Americans developed in isolation for many thousands of years, but the theory is easy to punch holes in:

advanced cultures often sprang up where currents from the Old World came by here

artifacts were left here by [off the top of my head] the Greeks, Romans, Phoenicians, Chinese, Japanese, Vikings,

the Zuni appear to be of Japanese descent

the Mandan language is said to be partly Welsh

extensive ruins of a Baal-worshiping culture are still to be found in New England, and Indian legends relate how they were massacred

King Solomon may have operated copper mines in the Great Lakes area, or at least somebody did, as the mines have been found

this is not well known, but ancient writing from Egypt (an early dynasty) has been found in Australia - who knows then, who went where way back when...

Laz

[Bernd]

...people seem to have come here from all over. There is the majority opinion that Native Americans developed in isolation for many thousands of years, but the theory is easy to punch holes in:

advanced cultures often sprang up where currents from the Old World came by here

artifacts were left here by [off the top of my head] the Greeks, Romans, Phoenicians, Chinese, Japanese, Vikings,

the Zuni appear to be of Japanese descent

the Mandan language is said to be partly Welsh

extensive ruins of a Baal-worshiping culture are still to be found in New England, and Indian legends relate how they were massacred

King Solomon may have operated copper mines in the Great Lakes area, or at least somebody did, as the mines have been found

this is not well known, but ancient writing from Egypt (an early dynasty) has been found in Australia - who knows then, who went where way back when...

Laz

Hi Laz,

Now here is an open minded view that makes interesting reading.Not some fantasy blind faith.
Have a nice weekend.

Peace

Bernd

[noddin0ff]

Hi Laz,

Now here is an open minded view that makes interesting reading.Not some fantasy blind faith.
Have a nice weekend.

Peace

Bernd

There is a subtle difference between 'open minded' and 'not grounded in reality'. Subtle but important...

[Bernd]

There is a subtle difference between 'open minded' and 'not grounded in reality'. Subtle but important...

Yes I agree there is a difference. But never blindly believe everything and never believe anything without questioning it.There is a high price to pay if you don't.

Peace

Bernd

[Resident Loser]

The original americans are mostly people from europe who couldn't hack it over here or who messed up badly or just plain stupid. Bernd

...maybe some geography with those history books...as E-Stat rightly points out, the aboriginal americans most likely came from Asia via the land bridge where only the Aleutians and the Bering Sea now exist...but be that as it may...

Those who came from Europe sought, among other things...the Northwest passage, wealth via the hemispheres' natural resources, land to satiate their various empirical appetites, religious and other freedoms not afforded to them in the Old World...etc. We then devolve into the power of slavery over the indigenous population, plantations, the Triangle trade...all of this and more, as a result of the 15th, 16th, 17th and 18th century European "discoveries"...

Were there penal colonies? Per se, can't say...there was indentured servitude and it's shy brother apprenticeship...both European in origin, at least in this instance...

So...sit back, pour a cold one or a warm one (being in England and all) spin a few and reflect...

jimHJJ(...on the plain, unvarnished history...)

[Bernd]

...maybe some geography with those history books...as E-Stat rightly points out, the aboriginal americans most likely came from Asia via the land bridge where only the Aleutians and the Bering Sea now exist...but be that as it may...

Those who came from Europe sought, among other things...the Northwest passage, wealth via the hemispheres' natural resources, land to satiate their various empirical appetites, religious and other freedoms not afforded to them in the Old World...etc. We then devolve into the power of slavery over the indigenous population, plantations, the Triangle trade...all of this and more, as a result of the 15th, 16th, 17th and 18th century European "discoveries"...

Were there penal colonies? Per se, can't say...there was indentured servitude and it's shy brother apprenticeship...both European in origin, at least in this instance...

So...sit back, pour a cold one or a warm one (being in England and all) spin a few and reflect...

jimHJJ(...on the plain, unvarnished history...)

I still think Markw and I meant the influx from Europe across the Atlantic. I am not an Idiot I know where people came from in the historic dark age. But be that as it may.
I asked you a question HOW IS THE SNOW and more important how are you????

I have a cold one-can't stand that warm soup they call beer over in old blighty.

Peace

Bernd

[Resident Loser]

I still think Markw and I meant the influx from Europe across the Atlantic. I am not an Idiot I know where people came from in the historic dark age. But be that as it may.
I asked you a question HOW IS THE SNOW and more important how are you????

I have a cold one-can't stand that warm soup they call beer over in old blighty. Peace Bernd

...couldn't resist it...just breakin' 'em...merely a point of order that there were americans before there were Americans...there really were no Americans until there was an America (of the USof A-type)...ya' got yer Canadians, and Mexicans and Columbians and Brazilians and Argetinians and...and...in reality all lower-case americans...simply sub-divided...

We have had an early spring or a late thaw or something like that...the BOT and it's higher temps ( mid-day 50s F) have, as of this AM, turned the beautiful, white blanket into predominantly a gigantic, grey Slurpee, or Shlushie, or Sno-cone, at least on the streets...the Jeep is free and my new-ish Dunlops provided sufficient traction to negotiate the still-white, but deep and sloppy mess in my driveway. Long live 4WD...

Warmer today, rain on the morrow and colder, more typical temps on hand for the weekend...perhaps more flake-y precip...yahoo!

jimHJJ(...let it snow...let it snow...let it snow...)

[Bernd]

...couldn't resist it...just breakin' 'em...merely a point of order that there were americans before there were Americans...there really were no Americans until there was an America (of the USof A-type)...ya' got yer Canadians, and Mexicans and Columbians and Brazilians and Argetinians and...and...in reality all lower-case americans...simply sub-divided...

We have had an early spring or a late thaw or something like that...the BOT and it's higher temps ( mid-day 50s F) have, as of this AM, turned the beautiful, white blanket into predominantly a gigantic, grey Slurpee, or Shlushie, or Sno-cone, at least on the streets...the Jeep is free and my new-ish Dunlops provided sufficient traction to negotiate the still-white, but deep and sloppy mess in my driveway. Long live 4WD...

Warmer today, rain on the morrow and colder, more typical temps on hand for the weekend...perhaps more flake-y precip...yahoo!

jimHJJ(...let it snow...let it snow...let it snow...)

Well glad you're alright. I am with you on the "Long live 4WD". I have daily trips onto the Moor and heather hills through all sorts of terrain. But what I can't stand is the City Centre pristine clean 4WD. No need for them.

The cool Budweiser Budvar is going down nicely. Heavy week next week for me.

Take it easy

Bernd

[Resident Loser]

Well glad you're alright. I am with you on the "Long live 4WD". I have daily trips onto the Moor and heather hills through all sorts of terrain. But what I can't stand is the City Centre pristine clean 4WD. No need for them.

The cool Budweiser Budvar is going down nicely. Heavy week next week for me.

Take it easy

Bernd

...as a clean SUV being used as a grocery-getter, driven by a soccer-mom, loaded up with a cargo of kiddie-winkies and terrible tiny tots...

jimHJJ(...unless it's a male poseur, wannabee "adventurer"...in the Barbour field-coat and Wellies...sipping a half-decaf, mocha supremo at the neighborhood Starbucks...)