JFK Assassination

[Resident Loser]

Ha,Ha,Ha,-Problem solved US Style.

Unfortunatly we do not have the luxury to live in a "Splendid Isolation-We don't need no-one" Place. This is our planet given to us not stamped,"Made in USA" or some other place. So we need to share it's people,resources and help your fellow man. Not ride roughshot over people who believe something different. On top of that, it's our home-and it's the only one we've got. Moving is not an option.

Peace

Bernd

...George Washington, who in his farewell said, "...avoid foreign entanglements..."

"We the people..." didn't listen, pity I think...

"We the people..." could easily be self-sufficient, drop our unemployment rate, etc. and tell the rest od the world to PO...

"We the people..." should have been on that road all along, instead "We the people..." became fat , dumb and happy on the road to complacency.

"We the people..." only have ourselves to blame...but I'll be d@mned if, after all we have done in our misguided attempt to make this stinkin' planet a better place, we will now become the whipping boy for a world frustrated with itself; one that holds us responsible for it's history and shortcomings...

jimHJJ(...I recall a Randy Newman song..."Political Science"...)

No one likes us-I don't know why
We may not be perfect, but heaven knows we try
But all around, even our old friends put us down
Let's drop the big one and see what happens

We give them money-but are they grateful?
No, they're spiteful and they're hateful
They don't respect us-so let's surprise them
We'll drop the big one and pulverize them

Asia's crowded and Europe's too old
Africa is far too hot
And Canada's too cold
And South America stole our name
Let's drop the big one
There'll be no one left to blame us

We'll save Australia
Don't wanna hurt no kangaroo
We'll build an All American amusement park there
They got surfin', too

Boom goes London and boom Paree
More room for you and more room for me
And every city the whole world round
Will just be another American town
Oh, how peaceful it will be
We'll set everybody free
You'll wear a Japanese kimono
And there'll be Italian shoes for me

They all hate us anyhow
So let's drop the big one now
Let's drop the big one now

[Bernd]

That of course is one point of view. Just a bit out of date in my mind, as Washington is long gone. But I know what you mean.When the wall came down there was lots of cheering but when the bill came in that changed to all sorts of unpleasentness. Is just the price you have to pay for sharing this world.
On a very small level I could be, if I wanted to be self contained, don't think I am ready for the Isolation as yet.

Well top of the morning to you

Bernd

[JOEBIALEK]

good points...

[zapr]

Perhaps known as one of the greatest murder mysteries of all time, the assassination of President John F. Kennedy has for years intrigued scholars, authors and the average American citizen. The assassination can be classified into two distinct categories: method and significance. Few would argue that too much emphasis has been given to the method and very little to the significance. This is exactly how the perpetrators would like it to be. Photographic evidence along with eyewitness testimony has already conclusively proven that JFK was shot by more than one assassin. The Mary Mormon photo clearly shows the profile of a shooter behind the picket fence on the grassy knoll. It is obviously someone wearing a policeman's uniform {some speculate it was J.D. Tippit}. This was the fatal head shot. Two other bullets struck the President; the first one entered at the base of the throat and the second struck him in the back. While the positions of the assassins makes for a good game of clue, the more important issue is the significance of the assassination.

Many have speculated that the former Soviet Union, Cuba, the KKK, the Mafia, LBJ, CIA and the FBI all had strong motives to attempt this. However, given the connection of Lee Harvey Oswald to the CIA and Jack Ruby to the Mafia along with the altered autopsy reports, the evidence points to a coup de' dat by the CIA. They did it because they believed JFK was taking the United States on the wrong path towards dealing with communism. That is the reason why the cover-up has been sustained for so long. The perpetrators honestly believed they were doing the right thing for the United States at the time. The will of the people was discarded in favor of preserving the nation as they saw fit. Unfortunately, they didn't realize the long term effects of the assassination. One result was the increased power of capitalism over democracy. Profit has become more important than freedom. Corporations are more concerned with increasing the wealth of a select few than with promoting the general welfare of the very nation that allows them to conduct business. A second result has been the subordination of this nation's civil liberties to the private agendas of the powers that be. The only opinions that are accepted today are those that further the bottom line. Contrary opinions are discouraged and distorted by spin doctors. The only explanation for the lack of attention given to the significance of the assassination is because the government, the military and the media all know what happened and to expose the event for what it really was goes to the central core of what constitutes the United States of America.

I think you hit the nail on the head. The man behind the fence wearing the policemans uniform was a man named Luician Saurtee. Not sure of the spelling. His shot missed the car completely and the bullit was found inbedded in the grass across the road. The fatal head shot came from the manhole drain from in front and slightly to the right. Research has shown this through projectory as Kennedy's head moves back and to the right. Luician Saurtee was killed in Mexico City in 1974. Yes it was the CIA in conjunction with the mafia and the military industrial complex. The Vietman war was the main reason as Kennedy was in the process of getting the soldiers out. The war in Vietnam meant alot of money for very powerful men. The perpetrators were not thinking of the United States, only of themselves. There are many photographs in Dealy Plaza from that day exposing many high ranking government officials, some of who are still alive today. When asked where they were that day, most say they can't recall! One only has to look at how things changed after that day, who benifited, who was involved, and who lived the longest everafter, to be able to figure it out.

[Feanor]

Is that some tweebie jerk misfit nobody with a $20 rifle could blow 'way the high and mighty U.S. President. But I think that's the way it went down.

I suspect Oswald fired three shots -- not just two. The two bullet theory can from some "expert" who wasn't as componetent cranking the Carcano bolt as Oswald, so, not to look bad he proclaimed only two shots could have been fired but he was wrong.

Yes, Oswald was "lucky" to put the one through Kennedy's head, but luck happens. Another when through Kennedy's neck and might been the bullet found in the Governor's pant cuff. Another inflicted the Governor's wound. I don't recall what I thought was the order of the shots, except the head shot was probably last. Anyway, that's my theory -- as good as any and better than most.

[zapr]

Is that some tweebie jerk misfit nobody with a $20 rifle could blow 'way the high and mighty U.S. President. But I think that's the way it went down.

I suspect Oswald fired three shots -- not just two. The two bullet theory can from some "expert" who wasn't as componetent cranking the Carcano bolt as Oswald, so, not to look bad he proclaimed only two shots could have been fired but he was wrong.

Yes, Oswald was "lucky" to put the one through Kennedy's head, but luck happens. Another when through Kennedy's neck and might been the bullet found in the Governor's pant cuff. Another inflicted the Governor's wound. I don't recall what I thought was the order of the shots, except the head shot was probably last. Anyway, that's my theory -- as good as any and better than most.

Right........Watch the Zapuder film!

[Feanor]

Right........Watch the Zapuder film!

That the Zapuder footage supports the hypothesis that Kennedy was shot from behind from the general location of Oswald? If you believe that a shot object will always be hurled in the same direction as the projectile, then you have been watching too much TV and movie fiction.

The bullet entered from behind without causing the head to pitch in either direction; the pitching of the head backwards was a reaction to the forward ejection of blood and other crainial matter.

[GMichael]

That the Zapuder footage supports the hypothesis that Kennedy was shot from behind from the general location of Oswald? If you believe that a shot object will always be hurled in the same direction as the projectile, then you have been watching too much TV and movie fiction.

The bullet entered from behind without causing the head to pitch in either direction; the pitching of the head backwards was a reaction to the forward ejection of blood and other crainial matter.

I wish I hadn't read this. Now I can't get the picture out of my head.

[zapr]

[QUOTE=Feanor]That the Zapuder footage supports the hypothesis that Kennedy was shot from behind from the general location of Oswald? If you believe that a shot object will always be hurled in the same direction as the projectile, then you have been watching too much TV and movie fiction.

The bullet entered from behind without causing the head to pitch in either direction; the pitching of the head backwards was a reaction to the forward ejection of blood and other crainial matter.[/QUOTE There is no concrete evidence that Oswald was the shooter. To many eye witnesses, too much evidence to show otherwise.

[Feanor]

I think Lee Harvey Oswald did it -- period. I think that three shots were fired by him, although that's less clear. I don't think the CIA nor Mafia nor the Soviet Union nor Cuba were involved.

But here's the thing: assuming it was a CIA coup, the following statement of yours is wrong ...

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Unfortunately, they didn't realize the long term effects of the assassination. One result was the increased power of capitalism over democracy. Profit has become more important than freedom. Corporations are more concerned with increasing the wealth of a select few than with promoting the general welfare of the very nation that allows them to conduct business. A second result has been the subordination of this nation's civil liberties to the private agendas of the powers that be. The only opinions that are accepted today are those that further the bottom line. ....

Had they done that, they would have understood these long term effects and approved of them. This is what conservatism in the US is about. What? Do you think it's about "family values"?

[Resident Loser]

Had they done that, they would have understood these long term effects and approved of them.

...with all the revelations re: the FBI and the CIA, I sincerely doubt they looked much past that day's two-martini lunch...

jimHJJ(...intelligence???...)

[Feanor]

...with all the revelations re: the FBI and the CIA, I sincerely doubt they looked much past that day's two-martini lunch...

jimHJJ(...intelligence???...)

I really don't believe conspiracy theories involving them.

[audio_dude]

wow, this is the most pointless discution i've ever read, VERY entertaining! and Feanor! i love the way you just said it plain and simple, just a crackpot, nothing more...

[zapr]

wow, this is the most pointless discution i've ever read, VERY entertaining! and Feanor! i love the way you just said it plain and simple, just a crackpot, nothing more...

......Pointless? That's the problem.....Zapr

[trollgirl]

...separate your heads from your shoulders:

It's a History Channel segment which was supressed, titled "The Guilty Men."

As I type this, at the top of the headlines on rense.com, is "E. Howard Hunt Newest To Link LBJ to JFK Murder." If you read this sometime later, you can type that title into the site search engine to find it.

The rense.com headline is a link to the material on prisonplanet.com, where there is a short article, and video links to youtube.com.

If you want to see it directly on youtube.com, just go there, type in "TMWKK," click on "see all videos," and go from Episode 1 Segment 1 to the end.

There, you have three ways to access it. He's guilty as hell!

Laz

[nobody]

I'm pretty sure JFK was killed by Aliens, working in conjunction with Bin Laden and his time traveling machine.

[trollgirl]

I'm pretty sure JFK was killed by Aliens, working in conjunction with Bin Laden and his time traveling machine.

Right...........and I'm an FBI plant.

Laz