JFK Assassination

[markw]

Very quickly- Land in Scotland,House in England,House in Berlin(part-owned with my brother-hope that counts on your scale), Apartment in Teneriffe(that's one of the Canary Islands),two successful businesses (one mine, one my wifes) two cars, no debt(well Visa has a little on it, but I will clear it-I promise),6 children (all from my wifes first marriage), 4 grandchildren,11 dogs(take a look at our website) one parrot(African Grey-speaks english with a german accent),Grousse moor rented,Holland & Holland 20 bore, but only 2x40 watts to take care off in my home,Palzaleri Suits,no church.Any more you need to know ?

Good for you but remember, I never called you insignificant. A bit of entry-level psychology shows that by the order in which you list what you feel defines your worth in this world that you see your homes and business' as coming before your family. ...and perhaps even see your animals on the same level as them.

Tell me again how you contribute to society? Oh, that's right. You do nothing except trash America who DOES try to help the world.

You talk with so much authority on what "YOU" did (service et all) to sort the second world war-you weren't even born when the war finished. So what did YOU do? Talk about second hand info. Brainwashed! So I presume your hour of "Glory" was Vietnam-enough said.

And, your point is? Yes, it was the Viet Nam eara and no, I'm sorry to disappoint you by telling you that I never killed any babies, or anyone else for that manner. I handled microwave communications and was pretty much behind the lines. ...but my contributions were important.

And, tell me, when did you serve your country? Oh, that's right. That's beneath you. There's not enough profit in it and besides, you might get hurt. Let others with more courage and a sense of giving back to society do it for you. No sense sacrificing time or effort and doing hard work when others with more sense of community will do for you. Boy, talk about living off of spillover benefits.

Do you at least offer discounts to servicemen in those fancy restaurants you brag about? Afterall ,they are the ones thet made it possible for you to have them.

Unfortunatly I will not be able to attend anymore of "MARKW's" right wing fantasy view lessons. I will have to return to the real world. So thanks for your "Pearls of Wisdom". I shall treasure them. As for anybody being hated- I don't think we can compete. So long and enjoy your 10000 watts and your church.Your right wing views and religous leanings sound to me like the "Fourth Reich" is on the move.
Heil Markw!

Heil eurotrash. I DO enjoy my church work. It's something I give back to society and don't get paid for in $$. I also on occasion pitch in and make food for the homeless there also but not too often. I do have other things to do. It's not gourmet quality but sometimes it's all they get that day. You DO at least give leftovers to charity, don't you?

Given your proclivity do nothing and yet still try to claim the high moral ground by demonizing others that do attempt to make a positive influence in the world tells me you're the "insignificant little man". Remember calling me that from a previous post? ...but you don't even realize it.

So, tell me again where you did for others without demanding a price? Throwing a dollar two into a jar doesn't count.

[GMichael]

one parrot(African Grey-speaks english with a german accent),

Now that's funny.

Polly want a dark beer with that cracker?

[Bernd]

Now that's funny.

Polly want a dark beer with that cracker?

He also swears bilingual.

Peace

Bernd

[GMichael]

He also swears bilingual.

Peace

Bernd

I have a friend with an African Grey. You have to be very carefull what you say around it. He used to keep it in his bedroom. One day he had company over and the bird started making sounds that should only be heard when in a bed. He doesn't keep it there anymore. But now it sings, mostly soft rock.

[Bernd]

Good for you but remember, I never called you insignificant. A bit of entry-level psychology shows that by the order in which you list what you feel defines your worth in this world that you see your homes and business' as coming before your family. ...and perhaps even see your animals on the same level as them.

Tell me again how you contribute to society? Oh, that's right. You do nothing except trash America who DOES try to help the world.


And, your point is? Yes, it was the Viet Nam eara and no, I'm sorry to disappoint you by telling you that I never killed any babies, or anyone else for that manner. I handled microwave communications and was pretty much behind the lines. ...but my contributions were important.

And, tell me, when did you serve your country? Oh, that's right. That's beneath you. There's not enough profit in it and besides, you might get hurt. Let others with more courage and a sense of giving back to society do it for you. No sense sacrificing time or effort and doing hard work when others with more sense of community will do for you. Boy, talk about living off of spillover benefits.

Do you at least offer discounts to servicemen in those fancy restaurants you brag about? Afterall ,they are the ones thet made it possible for you to have them.


Heil eurotrash. I DO enjoy my church work. It's something I give back to society and don't get paid for in $$. I also on occasion pitch in and make food for the homeless there also but not too often. I do have other things to do. It's not gourmet quality but sometimes it's all they get that day. You DO at least give leftovers to charity, don't you?

Given your proclivity do nothing and yet still try to claim the high moral ground by demonizing others that do attempt to make a positive influence in the world tells me you're the "insignificant little man". Remember calling me that from a previous post? ...but you don't even realize it.

So, tell me again where you did for others without demanding a price? Throwing a dollar two into a jar doesn't count.

Ricki Marie Cartwright College Trustfund (her father got murdered by the state of Texas)
Routing/ABA number: 071000013
Account number: 694646225

Regular contributions to hopefully allow the little girl a better life.

And just to clear something up. I do NOT own any fancy Restaurant as you implied. I worked in many and sold my interest in one 13 Years ago, when I got diagnosed with AS.I now breed and train gundogs.
And may I take my hat off to you for doing your bit for the community.

Peace

Bernd

[Bernd]

I have a friend with an African Grey. You have to be very carefull what you say around it. He used to keep it in his bedroom. One day he had company over and the bird started making sounds that should only be heard when in a bed. He doesn't keep it there anymore. But now it sings, mostly soft rock.

No kidding. Sometimes when I transfer money from Berlin to here the Parrot repeats the account number for days. Or one of my dogs gets called darling-well you can guess. No chance for me to ever have a litle fling-not that I want to,mind.

Bernd

[GMichael]

No kidding. Sometimes when I transfer money from Berlin to here the Parrot repeats the account number for days. Or one of my dogs gets called darling-well you can guess. No chance for me to ever have a litle fling-not that I want to,mind.

Bernd

Account numbers huh? Hey Polly, let's take a walk.

Oh! Oh! I.. I.. I'm gonna.. gonna..
KNOCK IT OFF POLLY!

[GMichael]

He's called Iggy and I've threatend him if he'll ever opens his beak he's done for. I used to breed African Greys but when the business took off I didn't have enough time. So he is the last one we've ever bred.
Visitor can't believe when they come here. Hearing him is worth the trip alone.

Bernd

Oh great. You'll have company and they'll go to say something and Lggy (sounds like LG?) will say (in your voice), "If you open your beak, you're dead." Nice.
Didn't think that one through huh? Maybe you should have tought him nice things to say. Have a nice day. Drive safe. Where's the BOT?
I'm guessing it's too late for lil' Lggy now.

[Bernd]

Account numbers huh? Hey Polly, let's take a walk.

Oh! Oh! I.. I.. I'm gonna.. gonna..
KNOCK IT OFF POLLY!

He's called Iggy and I've threatend him if he'll ever opens his beak he's done for. I used to breed African Greys but when the business took off I didn't have enough time. So he is the last one we've ever bred.
Visitor can't believe when they come here. Hearing him is worth the trip alone.

Bernd

[GMichael]

Errr..?

My reply landed before your post? Dang I'm good! Didn't know I could read minds did you?

[Bernd]

Errr..?

My reply landed before your post? Dang I'm good! Didn't know I could read minds did you?

Now that is wired. I didn't verbally tell Iggy, I showed him some pictures what will happen to him if he ever....
I think I will have to be careful what I think. Anyway I will clean some records now so my response time might be a bit slow.
Have a nice weekend

Bernd

[noddin0ff]

Hi Laz,

Now here is an open minded view that makes interesting reading.Not some fantasy blind faith.
Have a nice weekend.

Peace

Bernd

There is a subtle difference between 'open minded' and 'not grounded in reality'. Subtle but important...

[Bernd]

There is a subtle difference between 'open minded' and 'not grounded in reality'. Subtle but important...

Yes I agree there is a difference. But never blindly believe everything and never believe anything without questioning it.There is a high price to pay if you don't.

Peace

Bernd

[markw]

Ricki Marie Cartwright College Trustfund (her father got murdered by the state of Texas)
Routing/ABA number: 071000013
Account number: 694646225

I'll give you the benefit of a doubt here since English is not your first language.Please note that there is a significant dfference in the meanings of the word "murder" and "execute". The first impllies an undeserved death where the second implies a drastic punishment incurred as the result of one's previous actions.

Is this the case involved?

http://www.txexecutions.org/reports/344.asp

One sentence from that article sticks out.

"Cartwright's lawyers tried to have his execution stayed, claiming that he was convicted on false testimony. Though they did not deny that Cartwright shot the victim, they claimed that he was under duress, following Overstreet's orders because he was afraid of him."

It doesn't seem like he just met these two guys. My friends don't put me "under duress" to do anything. Perhaps he should have chosen his friends and activities more carefully, partcularly when he had young children to think about?. I hope you're more careful or do birds of a feather flock together?

Now, is "murder" your final answer?

Regular contributions to hopefully allow the little girl a better life

That's all well and good and shows an effort to want to help a friend, albiet one that chooses to hang with self-admitted skinheads (nazis?) and leaves his children at home while he takes part in gay bashings/killings, but have you ever considred helping Nick Moraida's family? After all, they also suffered a loss, one for which your friend was responsible.

And just to clear something up. I do NOT own any fancy Restaurant as you implied. I worked in many and sold my interest in one 13 Years ago, when I got diagnosed with AS.I now breed and train gundogs.

Perhaps I misinterperted your previous posts.

Seriously, what's AS?

And may I take my hat off to you for doing your bit for the community.

Thank you. There's nothng stopping you from doing it too.

Now. let's both drop this and move on.

[Bernd]

Is this the case involved? .

http://www.txexecutions.org/reports/344.aspOne sentence from that article sticks out.

"Cartwright's lawyers tried to have his execution stayed, claiming that he was convicted on false testimony. Though they did not deny that Cartwright shot the victim, they claimed that he was under duress, following Overstreet's orders because he was afraid of him."

It doesn't seem like he just met these two guys. My friends don't put me "under duress" to do anything. Perhaps he should have chosen his friends and activities more carefully, partcularly when he had young children to think about?. I hope you're more careful or do birds of a feather flock together?


That's all well and good and shows an effort to want to help a friend, albiet one that's a self-admitted skinhead (nazi?) who leaves his children at home while he takes part in gay bashings/killings, but have you ever considred helping Nick Moraida's family? After all, they also suffered a loss, one for which your friend was responsible.


Perhaps I misinterperted your previous posts.

Seriously, what's AS?


Thank you. There's nothng stopping you from doing it too.

Now. let's both drop this and move on.

Yes that's the case and no Richard wasn't a skinhead. I don't really want to get into details. It's not going to bring him back. Just three points his Lawyers (ha,ha,ha, incompetend beyond belief, I found out to late,trusted the US Justice system-a good lawyer then and I am sure it would have ended differently)adviced him against communicating with Overstreet and that one letter,written by a frightend inmature young (boy)man,convicted him.Also on doing swaps no gun shot residue, in fact no hard evidence, was ever found on Richard and no they met very recently.Expensive mistake. But most importantly there where 5 people all together. Two were never called to give evidence or interviewed (cost money to track them down). I guess a death quota had to be filled.No rich man on death row.
As for doing good. I feel that it is important that Ricki does not grow up thinking all the world is bad and it gives me pleasure to see her fund grow. Not her fault who or what her Dad did or didn't do.I felt very uneasy about Nick's family and still do. You can only do so much.And no- birds of a feather do not flock together here. Don't know why you had to ask that.
I had a friend dying of Lung cancer two years ago and ever since then I make weekly trips to the local Hospice with one of my dogs for patient therapy. Now that's a leveller.
AS- Ankylosing Spondilitis. A nightmare in short.

Have a good weekend

Peace

Bernd

P.S. Yes, I still think it's murder-premeditated and Government authorised at that.

[markw]

"Cartwright also was offered a plea deal that included 40 years in prison, but he turned it down. His defense attorney, Mark Woerner, said Cartwright rejected the deal because he "would prefer death over 40 years" in prison. "

It sounds as if he's not quite as innocent as you would have us all believe but, as in all things, there are always at least two sides to any story. To me, it looks like he chose to roll the dice and came up craps.

Link: http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/Pending/05/may05.htm

You have to page down a bit but the full text is there.

...sorry 'bout that AS dude, hang in there.

[Bernd]

"Cartwright also was offered a plea deal that included 40 years in prison, but he turned it down. His defense attorney, Mark Woerner, said Cartwright rejected the deal because he "would prefer death over 40 years" in prison. "

It sounds as if he's not quite as inocent as you would have us believe but, as in all things, there is always at least two sides to any story. .

Link: http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/Pending/05/may05.htm

You have to page down a bit but the full text is there.

...sorry 'bout that AS dude, hang in there.

I am well aware of the prodeathpenalty site. 40 years in jail for something you didn't do, I wouldn't have agreed to that aswell. Furthermore Richard believed his Lawyer.BIG Mistake.
I was all for the deathpenalty before this. Very different, believe me, if you see it from the other side.A time limit for evidence to be introduced-what nonsense is that. Somebody's life is at stake.When the Government has you in their Cross Hairs it is very difficult to brake free, believe me.
I believe that most inmates on DR are guilty and nasty pieces. But I do not believe a Government has the right to murder it's citizens. Also my very personal conviction is this: No one is that pure to have the right to take a life.No one.
Yes the AS can be a nightmare and I thank you for your kind words. The hard bit is you can't plan anything. It can just flair up out of the blue. Time bomb. Here is that word Bomb again.

Good to converse with you

Bernd

[markw]

I am well aware of the prodeathpenalty site. 40 years in jail for something you didn't do, I wouldn't have agreed to that aswell. Furthermore Richard believed his Lawyer.BIG Mistake.
I was all for the deathpenalty before this. Very different, believe me, if you see it from the other side.A time limit for evidence to be introduced-what nonsense is that. Somebody's life is at stake.When the Government has you in their Cross Hairs it is very difficult to brake free, believe me.
I believe that most inmates on DR are guilty and nasty pieces. But I do not believe a Government has the right to murder it's citizens. Also my very personal conviction is this: No one is that pure to have the right to take a life.No one.
Yes the AS can be a nightmare and I thank you for your kind words. The hard bit is you can't plan anything. It can just flair up out of the blue. Time bomb. Here is that word Bomb again.

Good to converse with you

Bernd

.. .he could appeal over and over again until he won his freedom but, after having takien it to the US supreme court, which is NOT very pro-death penalty, .he pretty much ran out of options.

[Bernd]

.. .he could appeal over and over again until he won his freedom but, after having takien it to the US supreme court, which is NOT very pro-death penalty, .he pretty much ran out of options.

Just take a look at how many appeals are actually succesful. You can't place much faith in that as everyone uses the appeals as a matter of course-even the guilty ones.
I don't wan't to get into an argument about this as it is very inhuman and barbaric to me. And why keep people without any human contact and feed them breakfast at 2 in the morning and lunch at 7, if not to be sadistic to them.
Just one point-How can you trust a system that on Richards death certificate had his date of birth out by 5 years and his mothers maiden name damn right wrong.
It is better to build schools rather then more prisons as that what is taken place now. Also the cost of all those appeals is enormous and keeping one inmate for life incarcerated works out cheaper and gives the chance to right a mistake, and does not create new victims.
The money saved can build schools etc.
Phew. Sorry about my soapbox, but it makes no sense to me to keep somebody for 10 or more years to then murder them.
I don't think people will very readily change their views as you need to experience it first hand. Yes there are the do gooders (doing more harm then good sometimes) and then there are the revenge lot who have their own believes.

I will leave you tonight with a true story that took place, in my neck off the woods, for you to ponder over.
Some years back a young man, low in IQ, took a short cut across a cemetry and came across a gravedigger doing some unspeakable things to a life less female body. The gravedigger smeared blood from the young dead girl on the slow man gave him the knife and run away. To cut a long story short the slow man was convicted of murder and indecent assault and sentenced to life (would have been death if we still had it). 15 years later the grave digger got terminal cancer and on his deathbed confessed to what he did all those years ago.
The slow man was released on appeal and the conviction quashed-not really possible with the death penalty. And I can not believe that this case is the only case like that. Two years later the slow man died of broken spirit and abuse endured in prison.

Anyway it's Saturday night and I will go and spin some tunes and like to say I am glad our discussion didn't turn nasty. And if you ever find yourself on foreign soil you're welcome to call in.

Peace

Bernd

[Bernd]

The original post got steered off course and my hand was on the wheel. So I will try and put it back on course.
There are just too many unexplained coincidences to point the finger at Lee Harvey Oswald.
Lots of doubts, but for me one of the most fundamental points is this:

"Where is the evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald" was on the 6th floor of theTexas School Book Depository when JFK got shot?" But more importantly where is the evidence that he was even there at all? Where is it?

Peace

Bernd

[Bernd]

As a logical sidestep.
What do you think the reason was why JFK was assasinated and by whom?

I have no idea as for the reason or who pulled the trigger nor have I got a theory. I just think there are many doubts about Oswald being the lone gunman.

Peace

Bernd

[GMichael]

As a logical sidestep.
What do you think the reason was why JFK was assasinated and by whom?

I have no idea as for the reason or who pulled the trigger nor have I got a theory. I just think there are many doubts about Oswald being the lone gunman.

Peace

Bernd

I don't know. But if forced to quess, I would either say the US government, the Mafia, or both. This oppinion is not based on facts. Just my gut feeling.

[GMichael]

Oswald was in Russia just a year before, he evencontacted the KGB himself, although the story goes that the KGB turned him down.

The real problem is that if he was a KGB agent, then this would have called for WWWIII as a retaliatoryresponse. Of course this was, and is unacceptable so the FBI contacted the Mafia to hire Ruby to kill Oswald. This whole thing makes a lot more sense than a lot of the other conspiracy theories I've heard, but it's never talked about as if it's true, we still owe the russians a nuke blast or three.

Interesting points. I forgot about the KBG. But do you think Oswald was the only shooter?

Is it too late for me to change my vote?

[Geoffcin]

I don't know. But if forced to quess, I would either say the US government, the Mafia, or both. This oppinion is not based on facts. Just my gut feeling.

Oswald was in Russia just a year before, he evencontacted the KGB himself, although the story goes that the KGB turned him down.

The real problem is that if he was a KGB agent, then this would have called for WWWIII as a retaliatoryresponse. Of course this was, and is unacceptable so the FBI contacted the Mafia to hire Ruby to kill Oswald. This whole thing makes a lot more sense than a lot of the other conspiracy theories I've heard, but it's never talked about as if it's true, we still owe the russians a nuke blast or three.

[Bernd]

Oswald was in Russia just a year before, he evencontacted the KGB himself, although the story goes that the KGB turned him down.

The real problem is that if he was a KGB agent, then this would have called for WWWIII as a retaliatoryresponse. Of course this was, and is unacceptable so the FBI contacted the Mafia to hire Ruby to kill Oswald. This whole thing makes a lot more sense than a lot of the other conspiracy theories I've heard, but it's never talked about as if it's true, we still owe the russians a nuke blast or three.

I think Oswald was not agent material as the CIA found out. They kept a file on him and had him as some maverick element. Ed Lopez from the HSCA testified to that effect.
But him being involved with the KGB I wouldn't discount at all.
And Ruby was definitly let in to the Police headquaters to cary out his task.

Just as a pointer. When the wall in Berlin came down they sealed off the Stasi (Secret east german police) Headquarter and later on going through their files the german authorities found a file on every west-european. Makes you think does it not.

Peace

Bernd