JFK Assassination

[markw]

My homeland was divided and became re-unified in 1989. No precedent of that ever happend.

You really don't think the US was responsible for that, do you? Boy, talk about hubris.

[Bernd]

You really don't think the US was responsible for that, do you? Boy, talk about hubris.

Don't be such a victim! I didn't say that the USA was responsible - I was stating the reason for the high levels of unemployment - reunification, which was a one time happening.

[markw]

Don't be such a victim! I didn't say that the USA was responsible - I was stating the reason for the high levels of unemployment - reunification, which was a one time happening.

If it weren't for the "evil" US governnment and it's involvment, that wall would still be there and much more of Europe would be behind it.

[Bernd]

If it weren't for the "evil" US governnment and it's involvment, that wall would still be there and much more of Europe would be behind it.

If I remember correctly it was the peaceful march of the east german people night after night that gave way to the wall. You are fantasising about that one.You keep forgetting-I was there when the wall came down.
Why are you so aggresive. I make some points that are based on my opinion and experiences and you seem to feel the need to defend the great US without having experienced what I have experienced.
If you want an argument you will not get one from me as there are always two sides to the coin and I have no desire to convince you otherwise.
Enjoy your life

Peace

Bernd

[markw]

If I remember correctly it was the peaceful march of the east german people night after night that gave way to the wall. You are fantasising about that one.You keep forgetting-I was there when the wall came down.
Why are you so aggresive. I make some points that are based on my opinion and experiences and you seem to feel the need to defend the great US without having experienced what I have experienced.
If you want an argument you will not get one from me as there are always two sides to the coin and I have no desire to convince you otherwise.
Enjoy your life

Peace

Bernd

Boy, you are hubris presonified. I'll simplify the concept even more, and I'll try to use little words this time. If it was not for the US propping your deballed country up all those post war years and keeping that bear to the east off your sorry, anti-semitic asses, you would all be communist.

So, while it may have been that last walk in the night that signified the end of that era, it was the US that did all the work building up your country and protecting you for the years preceeding that.

Now, I know this sticks in your anti-American craw but, like it ot not, it's the truth and all your posturing won't change history.

[Bernd]

Boy, you are hubris presonified. I'll simplify the concept even more, and I'll try to use little words this time. If it was not for the US propping your deballed country up all those post war years and keeping that bear to the east off your sorry, anti-semitic asses, you would all be communist.

So, while it may have been that last walk in the night that signified the end of that era, it was the US that did all the work building up your country and protecting you for the years preceeding that.

Now, I know this sticks in your anti-American craw but, like it ot not, it's the truth and all your posturing won't change history.

I will write this very slow as I don't think you read very fast. When did I deny that the US helped West-Germany? That is exactly what a decent victorious country should do and help to create a stable Europe.
I am not an anti semite neither is anyone I know.How can I be blamed for what a minority in my country did 60 years ago? I think we all have done some despicable acts towards our fellow man-The US is not exempt from this. What did the US do for East-Germany?
You want me to believe that it took the mighty US 28 years to bring the wall down. LOL.
As for Europe "dealing" with Iraq-what was to deal with. No WMD (maybe they are hidden on the moon),no evidence of AL-Queda just-surprise surprise OIL.
If regime change was or is so desireable why not announce that before you invade and why leave Zimbabwe,North Korea,China,Cuba etc. alone.Do you agree with their way of Government or could it be that they have no OIL.
As for you calling me Eurotrash you have your opinion of me, I will live with it, and I think very highly of you too.
America is a beautiful country, but it is spoilt by people like you and your attitude.
And since this is an Audioforum I leave you with a little recommendation to listen to "Lou Reed's-New York". Here is a fellow american talking about things I wouldn't dream to bring to a discussion table. Maybe you'll listen to him.

Bernd

[markw]

I will write this very slow as I don't think you read very fast. When did I deny that the US helped West-Germany?

Yet, you imply in more than one post that the US had no hand in the wall coming down. All the walking you guys did had nothing to do with it. Wanna know the real reasons? Here's a hint... take a course in world economics.

That is exactly what a decent victorious country should do and help to create a stable Europe.

..and yet you eurotrash keep on bashing those who pulled your fat out of the fire.

I am not an anti Semite neither is anyone I know.How can I be blamed for what a minority in my country did 60 years ago?

Well, you blame Amercia for all the world's ills. Why shouldn't we blame you?

Actually, if you guys didn't try to exterminate the Jews, there would never have been a need to create a separate Jewish state. So, I guess you guys ARE responsible for a lot of the current mess.

I think we all have done some despicable acts towards our fellow man-The US is not exempt from this.

Well, we never started two world wars or set out to annihilate an entire race. But, on the whole we've done more good for the world than anyone else ...and less harm. Something you tend to overlook in your bashing.

What did the US do for East-Germany?

And, what did West Germany do for East Germany, but, you expected us to walk in with guns blazing? Isn't that what you are railing against us for? Again, a course or two in world economics might prove enlightening. .. .but, then again, maybe not.

You want me to believe that it took the mighty US 28 years to bring the wall down. LOL.

Your ignorance of the way the world works is astounding. Here's the real deal, heinz. We beat the communists. Not you. We, the US. You guys were just along for the ride. When they lost the war, they lost their hold on the wall, Then all you pansies could tear it down, jump up and down like the monkeys in 2001 and start trying to rebuild your country.

As for Europe "dealing" with Iraq-what was to deal with. No WMD (maybe they are hidden on the moon),no evidence of AL-Queda just-surprise surprise OIL.

Actually, I thought I said Iran. Weren't you guys selling hi-tech stuff to them? Well, it may come back in missiles. You're a lot closer than we are.

If regime change was or is so desireable why not announce that before you invade and why leave Zimbabwe,North Korea,China,Cuba etc. alone.Do you agree with their way of Government or could it be that they have no OIL.

/ Well, funny you should mention that. It seems the UN is begging for us to go in there to save African asses. Actually, they would accept any help. Any Germans volunteering? Bueller... anyone?

As for you calling me Eurotrash you have your opinion of me, I will live with it, and I think very highly of you too.

AS the wise philosopher once said, "kiss my monkey.

America is a beautiful country, but it is spoilt by people like you and your attitude.[

How" would you know? What did you ever do for ANY country. I was in the service and earned my fight to trounce on pompus, ungrateful, ignorant, eurotrash punks like you who don't know or care who really saved their asses. ...and is still doing it.

Does the Acronym "NATO" mean anything to you?

And since this is an Audioforum I leave you with a little recommendation to listen to "Lou Reed's-New York". Here is a fellow american talking about things I wouldn't dream to bring to a discussion table. Maybe you'll listen to him.

Ah yes, another insulated "Artiste" who took all he could from this country and never sacrificed a thing, except to pay as little tax as possible. Too bad he, like most artists, live in an insulated world.

[kexodusc]

I never rationally understood the arguments in favor of the death penalty. If we could lock-up our criminals in less than comfortable environments with no chance of parole, and no chance of killing a wrongfully convicted person, it sounds better than the alternative.
We've had cases in history where convicted people who were later found innocent spent years on death row, and if not for administrative delays would have wrongfully been put to death. Clearly human error (judgement, bad lawyers, or otherwise) has a part at least sometimes.
I guess some people feel executing an extremely small number of innocents is justified.

But when I hear a story about some sick crackpot raping an 11 year old girl and her sister before murdering them, the cold hearted bastard in me has a hard time rationalizing why this person deserves another second of life.

[GMichael]

I never rationally understood the arguments in favor of the death penalty. If we could lock-up our criminals in less than comfortable environments with no chance of parole, and no chance of killing a wrongfully convicted person, it sounds better than the alternative.
We've had cases in history where convicted people who were later found innocent spent years on death row, and if not for administrative delays would have wrongfully been put to death. Clearly human error (judgement, bad lawyers, or otherwise) has a part at least sometimes.
I guess some people feel executing an extremely small number of innocents is justified.

But when I hear a story about some sick crackpot raping an 11 year old girl and her sister before murdering them, the cold hearted bastard in me has a hard time rationalizing why this person deserves another second of life.

It's a hard line to walk, for sure.
Death = bad
Seems simple. But then add:
Person rapes & kills children = bad
So? raping & killing children = death?
Geez A person could go crazy

Look at that woman who drowed her 3 children. They say she's crazy (duh.. what was their first clue?) Does that mean she's ok to the rest of the world? Should she be killed?

[Bernd]

I never rationally understood the arguments in favor of the death penalty. If we could lock-up our criminals in less than comfortable environments with no chance of parole, and no chance of killing a wrongfully convicted person, it sounds better than the alternative.
We've had cases in history where convicted people who were later found innocent spent years on death row, and if not for administrative delays would have wrongfully been put to death. Clearly human error (judgement, bad lawyers, or otherwise) has a part at least sometimes.
I guess some people feel executing an extremely small number of innocents is justified.

But when I hear a story about some sick crackpot raping an 11 year old girl and her sister before murdering them, the cold hearted bastard in me has a hard time rationalizing why this person deserves another second of life.

Well put and no he doesn't deserve a second life. Just lose his freedom. None of us are that pure to have the right to take a life-None.

Peace

Bernd

[jamison]

whats funny is if you ask an eighteen to twenty four year old female about the kennedy assasination and they will ask: Ted Kennedy got shot ? LIke Really?