RESPECT (for 249$)

[blackraven]

Pix must be ROFLAO seeing how this thread is going from saying how much he is enjoying his new amp to a discussion on bass

[pixelthis]

Pix must be ROFLAO seeing how this thread is going from saying how much he is enjoying his new amp to a discussion on bass

Its a great subject for disscussion.
My beemers go down to around 48 hz, in direct mode they get a straight two channel signal, no crossover, no chickanery with "sound feilds", etc, just two channels the way god intended, thats why he gave us two ears.
Just saying that my emotiva gets the most outta my mains.
Which is a pleasant surprize, not that much of a sacrifice to go without a sub.
I HAVE A NICE ONE, but for pure audio you need tyo pass on the sub.
I thought the main mprovments would be in the mid/treble area, and they do sound greatly improved, but the bass was just such a pleasant surprize.
The ad copy about releiving the receiver of the front two channels wasnt just BS, BTW.
I had to turn down the levels on my surrounds, and a tad on my center.
Now that my receiver only handles three channels its much happier, and sounds much better.
And sure below 40hz its hard to figure out where the bass is coming from, but I am talking about 48 hz and up.
The bass is just better "defined", that would be a better way of putting it I guess.
Cant beat the price anyway.
Now for that Mitshu 60" DLP.........

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Its a great subject for disscussion.
My beemers go down to around 48 hz, in direct mode they get a straight two channel signal, no crossover, no chickanery with "sound feilds", etc, just two channels the way god intended, thats why he gave us two ears.
Just saying that my emotiva gets the most outta my mains.
Which is a pleasant surprize, not that much of a sacrifice to go without a sub.
I HAVE A NICE ONE, but for pure audio you need tyo pass on the sub.
I thought the main mprovments would be in the mid/treble area, and they do sound greatly improved, but the bass was just such a pleasant surprize.
The ad copy about releiving the receiver of the front two channels wasnt just BS, BTW.
I had to turn down the levels on my surrounds, and a tad on my center.
Now that my receiver only handles three channels its much happier, and sounds much better.
And sure below 40hz its hard to figure out where the bass is coming from, but I am talking about 48 hz and up.
The bass is just better "defined", that would be a better way of putting it I guess.
Cant beat the price anyway.
Now for that Mitshu 60" DLP.........

At 48hz and up, you are still wrong. Now change that to 120hz and up, then we can agree.

[pixelthis]

At 48hz and up, you are still wrong. Now change that to 120hz and up, then we can agree.

Sorry, but you disagreeing with me is a litmus test of weather or not I am CORRECT.
Thanks.
YOU CAN GO BY WHAT THE "EXPERTS" SAY, or what your ears say.
And everytime I use a sub its like theres a big gob of bass coming outta one place.
With direct mode I CAN TELL which speaker the bass is coming out of.
Most of the time, anyway.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Sorry, but you disagreeing with me is a litmus test of weather or not I am CORRECT.
Thanks.
YOU CAN GO BY WHAT THE "EXPERTS" SAY, or what your ears say.
And everytime I use a sub its like theres a big gob of bass coming outta one place.
With direct mode I CAN TELL which speaker the bass is coming out of.
Most of the time, anyway.

Sorry you are still wrong. Pix, while I think your are strange as hell, you are not superhuman. You can say whatever you please (and you usually do) by science says that once the wavelengths of a signal become wider than our ears, the ability to detect phase differences becomes less acute. So unless your head is 11.3 ft wide or 22.5 feet wide you cannot detect the direction of a 100 hz or 50hz signal, especially not in a ordinary room full of reflections. That is science, not what the experts say.

If you use a sub, and it sounds like a big gob of bass coming out of one place, you obviously do not know how to setup or use a sub.

[pixelthis]

Sorry you are still wrong. Pix, while I think your are strange as hell, you are not superhuman. You can say whatever you please (and you usually do) by science says that once the wavelengths of a signal become wider than our ears, the ability to detect phase differences becomes less acute. So unless your head is 11.3 ft wide or 22.5 feet wide you cannot detect the direction of a 100 hz or 50hz signal, especially not in a ordinary room full of reflections. That is science, not what the experts say.

If you use a sub, and it sounds like a big gob of bass coming out of one place, you obviously do not know how to setup or use a sub.

Its BS science, an assumption based on faulty logic.
A bass element low enough is omnidirectional, true, but higher freqs coming from the same direction give enough if a clue to the brain to help it figure out where most bass
is coming from.
They said that you cant pick the direction of certain "wide" freqs, and if your brain was a computer hooked to an audessey mike that might be the case.
But its not.
Your brain is a computer tho, a 486 with a busted drive.
Dont take everything you read at face value, and as the truth.
Thats why people beleive in fairy tales like global warming, etc.

[E-Stat]

Its BS science, an assumption based on faulty logic.

Like the flawed Fletcher-Munson curves, too. Let me be clear though - I don't assert that bass as low as 40 hz can be localized, but I will tell a story of my first exposure to a single sub. It was with JWC's (of The Absolute Sound) system back in '76 or '77. He had the Dayton-Wright XG-8 electrostats which were incredible, but lacked output in the low bass. Solution? He had a sub custom built using the 18" Cerwin Vega "Earthquake" driver in a down firing arrangement. The cabinet was huge and served as a table for a lamp. He crossed it around 60 hz and placed it in the right corner of the room. While the x-over slope may have been gradual, you could always hear it "poom-poom" over to the side of the room.

rw

[MrAcoustat]

Sorry, but you disagreeing with me is a litmus test of weather or not I am CORRECT.
Thanks.
YOU CAN GO BY WHAT THE "EXPERTS" SAY, or what your ears say.
And everytime I use a sub its like theres a big gob of bass coming outta one place.
With direct mode I CAN TELL which speaker the bass is coming out of.
Most of the time, anyway.

I agree 100% subs don't make music, they make NOISE.

[pixelthis]

I agree 100% subs don't make music, they make NOISE.

Thank you.
A sub is nice for HT, especially a precise one like a Velodyne.
But with the bass the B&W 602s2 puts out I don't need it for music, only "muddies"
the waters.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Thank you.
A sub is nice for HT, especially a precise one like a Velodyne.
But with the bass the B&W 602s2 puts out I don't need it for music, only "muddies"
the waters.

Maybe you should get a better sub....just sayin.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

I agree 100% subs don't make music, they make NOISE.

So let me get this straight...a 60hz tone is just noise?. Do you realize that 42hz is the lowest note on a bass guitar...is that noise or a note?