Some clips from New Orleans

[markw]

Mark,
You can point to all of the newspaper articles you desire, but my experience has taught me than none of the resource comes without some sort of slant to it. Even our news here has a slant to it. I just prefer to watch what I see on my monitors, that has proven to be much more enlightening than any newspaper article.

So, are you saying these links are untrue?

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

So, are you saying these links are untrue?

Some true, some incomplete, and some slanted.

[markw]

Some true, some incomplete, and some slanted.

We could pretty much say this about anything the media posts, true? I guess the "truth" is where one chooses to see it.

Remember, your "monitors" onbly show you select scenes that your cameramen deemed worthy of shooting, and these would be those scenes that would play on easy emotions to rile up, not unlike those black looter/white opportunist photos in your other thread that had you in an uproar except you would like to see bush as the looter and the local politicos as the opportunists.

Now is the time to get to the bottom of this, unless you are a Bush supporter. In that case, later probably would work for you..

Why would this work to the advantage of Bush supporters? This merely shows your anti Bush bias is affecting your thoughts.

It seems you would rather overlook any possibilities that there may have been more people and agencies responsible for this snafu than Bush and would rather everyone else ignored that possibility as well.

You're a little too judgmental on this. It's best to wait for the truth, the whole truth.

There's already indictments out for some of the NOLA cronies for kerfutzing around the federal FEMA funds from well before this incident. You don't see that that may well have had a big impact on what went down here?

No, first get NOLA running and then sort it out. Maybe they will find some of that missing FEMA money and apply it where it belongs, mainly on the levees.

I must say, Sir T, that I'm a little disappointed in that you seem to be letting your personal bias get in the way of rational thought on political matters brought up here lately.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

We could pretty much say this about anything the media posts, true? I guess the "truth" is where one chooses to see it.

If you pay attention to the media, this is true.

Remember, your "monitors" onbly show you select scenes that your cameramen deemed worthy of shooting, and these would be those scenes that would play on easy emotions to rile up, not unlike those black looter/white opportunist photos in your other thread that had you in an uproar except you would like to see bush as the looter and the local politicos as the opportunists.

Mark, asssumptions are both harmful and unproductive. What I saw on my monitiors were live feeds, uncut, unstaged(except the interviews) and much of it never was seen on network or cable television because it would be deemed inflammatory. How do you know what I would like to see? Do you have special gifts you haven't told us about?

Why would this work to the advantage of Bush supporters? This merely shows your anti Bush bias is affecting your thoughts.

This is your opinion, and you are entitled to it whether its totally wrong, or right. The reasons why this would work for Bush supporters is fairly easy to figure out.

It seems you would rather overlook any possibilities that there may have been more people and agencies responsible for this snafu than Bush and would rather everyone else ignored that possibility as well.

Once again, you do not know what I would rather overlook or choose to see. More assumptions. I recognized that there are many layers to this cake. Several layers failed, one layer totally, and continued to make mistake after mistake.

You're a little too judgmental on this. It's best to wait for the truth, the whole truth.

Perhaps I am not judgemental enough. We have seen some truths already, and more to come. I am not one to look away when some things are fairly obvious.

There's already indictments out for some of the NOLA cronies for kerfutzing around the federal FEMA funds from well before this incident. You don't see that that may well have had a big impact on what went down here?

No. The hurricane came through on Sunday, FEMA came on friday. FEMA was disorganized, and according to 31 out of 39 FEMA departments heads, FEMA was paying more attention to terrorism and not enough to natural diasters. That's a fact, and part of what contributed to their sorry response. Bush installed one of his cronies to head FEMA, he had no experience whatsoever in handling diasters of any nature. This is the result of that kind of cronism, hundreds have died. Some things are obvious and in your face and very tough to overlook. Do you see what FEMA is doing in Florida right now? That is what they SHOULD have done in NO

No, first get NOLA running and then sort it out. Maybe they will find some of that missing FEMA money and apply it where it belongs, mainly on the levees.

Are we so stupid that we cannot do more than one thing at a time? FEMA money doesn't pay for levee's unfortunately.

I must say, Sir T, that I'm a little disappointed in that you seem to be letting your personal bias get in the way of rational thought on political matters brought up here lately.

Oh geeze, I may not get any sleep tonight, Mark is disappointed in me. I am sorry you are disappointed that I don't agree with you. I guess if I don't, then I am wrong. It seems that you are doing the same thing you are accusing me of. Your personal bias is allowing you to overlook the obvious. Your opinions of my thoughts are noted, and forgotten. Let us agree to disagree. I don't think you and I will never see eye to eye on this. I think we come from opposite sides of the political fence. I just like everyone else in this country, we are probably too polarized in our opinions to ever come to an agreement.

[Florian]

If the voters would have gotten what they voted for, America wouldnt have this sorry excuse for a president sitting tight in the white house. And no daddys who shake hands and make oil deals with the Bin Ladens. Well, the only good thing about is that he cant be reelected.This moron walks into Iraq, Afganistan is responsible for terror attacks worldwide. Leaves hundreds of thousands without home, doesnt find Bin Laden, doesnt find nuclear weapons, threatens Noth Korea, and doesnt join the rest of the worl in the Koyoto protocol and wonders about storms.... Man this guy is so bloddy stupid!!!!

-Flo

[piece-it pete]

Florian I'm assuming you voted Republican last election. Don't hold back, tell us what you REALLY think.



Blaming FEMA is shallow. Yes they screwed up. But again -

WHY WERE ALL THOSE POOR PEOPLE STILL THERE?

Where were the emergency stocks of food, water, basic medicine?

Flor that was undoubtably Bushs' fault - somehow.

T the real reason for waiting on the inquiry is simple: those who will be called before Congress are kinda busy right now.

Pete

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Blaming FEMA is shallow. Yes they screwed up. But again -

Why would it be shallow to blame FEMA?. Here is their history.

http://www.fema.gov/about/history.shtm

This sentence is particulary telling.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency - a former independent agency that became part of the new Department of Homeland Security in March 2003 - is tasked with responding to, planning for, recovering from and mitigating against disasters. [/quote]

If they had responded to, or planned for this diaster like they are currently doing in Florida, it wouldn't have been the travesty this turned out to be. Had FEMA balanced their approach evenly between terrorism AND natural disasters, maybe their response wouldn't have been so poor. Maybe if FEMA had the former chief instead of the inexperienced Brown, them their response would have been different. However when you start off with a inexperienced leader, and the thrust of your prepared directed towards terrorism, then one can only expect just what we got.



WHY WERE ALL THOSE POOR PEOPLE STILL THERE?

Many were sick, as a matter of fact CNN, Fox news along with ABC, CBS and every other news agency are all reporting that it was mostly the sick and shut in that perished in the flood. Others didn't want to go, or didn't have the means to go. Mandory evacuations are not inforced, a practice I hope changes after this mess.

Where were the emergency stocks of food, water, basic medicine?

That's what FEMA is for. Read their history, then ask them where were they.

T the real reason for waiting on the inquiry is simple: those who will be called before Congress are kinda busy right now.

Pete

Pete, is Bush not on the front lines passing out food and water, arrainging housing and the needs of the people hands on. He is busy making trips, shaking hands, and smiling at the worst time imagineable. Brown is fired, Nagin might be too busy, and so would the Governer. However, none of these people are on the front lines, they should and could be called before congress. Bush would never do it though, never!

Lets face it, the more time that has passed, the more everyone forgets. This has already dropped off the front page of the newspaper, and is not leading any local or network newscasts. As time passes, this event will be replaced by another one. This one will be forgotten, and so will the people affected by it. Now is the time unless you DO NOT want to really get to the bottom of this. This should be top priority because face it, we do not know when the next disaster will come. It could be tomorrow.

[Florian]

Hahah, well i am german and can't vote. Besides i think that Kerry is a moron too, but the lesser of two evils :-)

For me its simple. If a huge storm hits and basically wipes out an entire state/city than it is the job of the leader of the country to get off his ass from one of many holidays and go there in person to help the people.

But what does this moron do, he knows the storm is coming and sipped on another drink while on holiday. Doesnt do ****, takes forever to get funds and then blames other organizations. Who the hell cares about FEMA. Its a national distaster for ****s sacke!, damn lamer President get off your ass and do something about it.

That fool was faster in getting money and sending 1000's of troops to Iraq then to help his own people. The stupid Homeland security is a simple way of abusing the americans in their feer and to gain more power than that dictator in russia.

Italy, Germany, France, England and bloddy cuba offered help and he rejected it. They accepted the first 66.6% and denied the other 33.3% cause of fear of faulty food. Yeah right, its the same damn thing the american troops are eating in iraq right now.

I tell you what happend, this bloddy fool wasted all the money on the most pointless war ever, created terrorism around the globe and gets his daddy richer.

-Flo

PS: Can you tell i dont like Bush

[Resident Loser]

...exactly WHO did you folks elect...

Wanna' start on how F*cked-up Europe is...and has been through history...Lessee...how many wars have there been? the Seven Years War, the Thirty Years War, the Hundred Years War, the War of the Roses, The Carolingian Succession, the War of Spanish Succession, The War of Austrian Succession, The English Civil War, the French Revolutionary wars, the Napoleonic Wars, the Crimean War ,The Franco Prussian War, the Spanish Civil War and then when there didn't seem to be enough warfare on the continent proper, countries like Germany began to export the Art of War(after all only that sort of history could raise it to an artform) to Africa in the Maji-Maji Revolt or the Herero War and then of course the Boer War, Of course we can't leave out the family-feud to end all family-feuds WWl...remember that bit of fun from all those inbred @$$holes...trench-warfare, machine guns, tanks, mustard gas...and who can forget BLITZKREIG! and V-1s, buzz-bombs...Zylon and the ghetto and the Final Solution......then on the political side there's feudalism, and anarchy, and communism, and socialism, and Mussolini, Franco and good ol' uncle Adolph...some other nifty exports like world colonialism and all it entails, the decimation of the native peoples in the Americas by disease, and the introduction of slavery into the New World, and the Crusades, and Edith Piaf, and Ikea and heroin.

And if you wanna' start on world terrorism, I'd suggest you go back to things like the Balfour Document and the partiton of the Holy Land, all administered by Euro-friggin-peans...In fact, one could easily make an argument that Israel itself, or the need and want for a Jewish homeland, is the product of every European Jew who was ostricized, ghetto-ized, marginalized or exiled down through European history. In essence we have YOU to thank for the current state of affairs. The U.S. involvement with Israel is an unfortunate by-product of the cold war imbalance created by Russia's support of Egypt, which we viewed as having dire consequences for the region in general and Europe as a whole...

And this is the thanks we get, you Teutontic twit?

So why not go and stick your head back up your @$$ and rave on about your highly tweaked, non-stock loudspeakers...

jimHJJ(...Spam anyone?...)

[Florian]

...exactly WHO did you folks elect...

Wanna' start on how F*cked-up Europe is...and has been through history...Lessee...how many wars have there been? the Seven Years War, the Thirty Years War, the Hundred Years War, the War of the Roses, The Carolingian Succession, the War of Spanish Succession, The War of Austrian Succession, The English Civil War, the French Revolutionary wars, the Napoleonic Wars, the Crimean War ,The Franco Prussian War, the Spanish Civil War and then when there didn't seem to be enough warfare on the continent proper, countries like Germany began to export the Art of War(after all only that sort of history could raise it to an artform) to Africa in the Maji-Maji Revolt or the Herero War and then of course the Boer War, Of course we can't leave out the family-feud to end all family-feuds WWl...remember that bit of fun from all those inbred @$$holes...trench-warfare, machine guns, tanks, mustard gas...and who can forget BLITZKREIG! and V-1s, buzz-bombs...Zylon and the ghetto and the Final Solution......then on the political side there's feudalism, and anarchy, and communism, and socialism, and Mussolini, Franco and good ol' uncle Adolph...some other nifty exports like world colonialism and all it entails, the decimation of the native peoples in the Americas by disease, and the introduction of slavery into the New World, and the Crusades, and Edith Piaf, and Ikea and heroin.

And if you wanna' start on world terrorism, I'd suggest you go back to things like the Balfour Document and the partiton of the Holy Land, all administered by Euro-friggin-peans...In fact, one could easily make an argument that Israel itself, or the need and want for a Jewish homeland, is the product of every European Jew who was ostricized, ghetto-ized, marginalized or exiled down through European history. In essence we have YOU to thank for the current state of affairs. The U.S. involvement with Israel is an unfortunate by-product of the cold war imbalance created by Russia's support of Egypt, which we viewed as having dire consequences for the region in general and Europe as a whole...

And this is the thanks we get, you Teutontic twit?

So why not go and stick your head back up your @$$ and rave on about your highly tweaked, non-stock loudspeakers...

jimHJJ(...Spam anyone?...)

Haha the typical excuse.. Europe is soooo bad, it justifies our own stupidity in america. Get real, and learn from other mistakes.

BTW.....i just mention Vietnam, Iraq, Afganistan, Bin Laden, Blakan Islands etc..... the USA has more blood on their hands in the short time than us in all the years.!!!

And the Nazi support that the USA enjoyed, the nice technology and scienetists and Nazi chefs which got asylum in the US cause they profit from it.

You voted for Bush, and are trying to tell me it was a good reaction. Yeah right!!