Sylvania Bluray Player $279 @ Sears.

[pixelthis]

The answer to your question is all three. While you will see price drops for the christmas season( just like last years), once again, after the holiday season the prices will remain at where they were before the holidays. The sales volume would have to dramatically increase for at least the majors to see the manufacturing efficiences that produces permanent lower prices. As good as Bluray has been doing, we are not quite there yet.

Consider this; when the chinese came onto the scene with their "unliscensed" players, it killed the market almost entirely as a profit making venture. Instead of having a tiered system that contained something for everyone, we had a system where the life was sucked out of the mid and upper end players, in favor of the lower end players. The DVD forum essentially killed themselves and any chance of its members making any money from DVD players. While the studios were thrilled(they sold more disc) the manufacturers were far less than happy. Since many of the members who are on the DVD forum are also members of the BDA(almost all of the manufacturers are except Toshiba), they are unwilling to let a flood of cheap chinese players decimate the market so early in its life, and while everyone is making money. This time there will be a market where there is something for everyone, whether its a cheaper funai marketed players, or mid level Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, Sharp etc., or high end Goldund(rediculously priced though), Pioneer or Cambridge Audio. They want to see this tiered system exist for quite a while.

The bottom feeders will have to wait just a little while longer(this is not a negative dig in this case)

You still don't GET IT.
So they are "unwilling" to have a bunch of cheap players "decimate"
the market?
HOW are they gonna STOP EM?
How one such as yourself, who understands nothing about the way markets work can get a job at Micky D's, MUCH LESS A
major company, is a mystery to me.
The "bottom feeders" will have to wait?
yEAH, AND the price is under 250 already.
Yeah, the iceberg just scratched the hull, roll over and go back to sleep,
nothing to see here!
What a maroon.

[pixelthis]

That's because it's... ATI!

You're right.
Probably uses a bunch of Texas Instruments chips.
BTW, did'ja know that DLP is dead
bEST thing to ever come outta Texas.....

[Rich-n-Texas]

No idiot, it uses a bunch of AMD chips.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

You still don't GET IT.
So they are "unwilling" to have a bunch of cheap players "decimate"
the market?
HOW are they gonna STOP EM?

If you don't know this by now stupid, explaining it to you again is not going to help. I have already told your air headed azz that they are not going to give them a lisense to produce a player. Without the liscense, you cannot get parts. Without parts, there is no player. If they manage to get the parts, then whomever provided the parts to an unliscensed manufacturer will lose their liscense, and thus quite a bit of business.

How one such as yourself, who understands nothing about the way markets work can get a job at Micky D's, MUCH LESS A
major company, is a mystery to me.

Maybe because I understand the market far better than you do. Everything is a mystery to you, and if you spent more time reading and using technology rather than dumpster diving for it, it all wouldn't be so mysterious to you.

The "bottom feeders" will have to wait?
yEAH, AND the price is under 250 already.
Yeah, the iceberg just scratched the hull, roll over and go back to sleep,
nothing to see here!
What a maroon.

Always trying to hide the fact that you are as ignorant as hell when it comes to these issues. The folks that are claiming prices are too high want bluray players to be $150 or less. That is who I am referring to. The cheap folks, much like yourself penny pinchin pixel!

[Woochifer]

Fry's Electronics is now advertising a Samsung Blu-ray player for $249 and a Sony player for $299, so I doubt that the Funai/Sylvania unit's $279 price will hold up as an actual street price.

We are now just over two years removed from Blu-ray's initial introduction, and it appears that the price declines have gone slightly faster than with the DVD (I recall that prevailing prices for DVD players in late-1999 were still above $300). Part of this though is the subsidized price on the PS3 that pushed the price points down from the outset. With limited bottomfeeder options though, the rate of decline from here on out might not be nearly as steep as when the bottom fell out of the DVD market after Apex et al entered the market.

[bobsticks]

Melvin got a hottie...

[bobsticks]

You still don't GET IT.
So they are "unwilling" to have a bunch of cheap players "decimate"
the market?...

Your usage of the word "decimate" with quotations makes me think you were attempting a bit of clever repartee. You do realize that it's one word with multiple meanings, right?

[Feanor]

Your usage of the word "decimate" with quotations makes me think you were attempting a bit of clever repartee. You do realize that it's one word with multiple meanings, right?

You are becoming very obscure of late. Humour us simple folk with simple, syntactically conventional, and preferably monosyllabic sentences.

Pix' use of quote marks around "decimate" was merely quotation from Sir T, not (necessarily) an attempt at repartee.

[Rich-n-Texas]

You are becoming very obscure of late.Humour us simple folk with simple, syntactically conventional, and preferably monosyllabic sentences.

And that brings us to this...

Insignia?? Oh, well you've got a choice of Sharp or Samsung at $299.99

Doubtless BB-USA will equal this.

I suspect what you're trying to say here is something along the lines of this...

Doubtlessly, BB-USA will equal this, which I agree with 100%

Pix' use of quote marks around "decimate" was merely quotation from Sir T, not (necessarily) an attempt at repartee.

Thank you for that Linguistics lesson Professor Syllable. Just the same, I like it when sticks says repartee, it sounds better than when a Canadian says it.

[pixelthis]

And that brings us to this...

I suspect what you're trying to say here is something along the lines of this...


Thank you for that Linguistics lesson Professor Syllable. Just the same, I like it when sticks says repartee, it sounds better than when a Canadian says it.

You just like it when he says it because you think its something dirty.

[pixelthis]

If you don't know this by now stupid, explaining it to you again is not going to help. I have already told your air headed azz that they are not going to give them a lisense to produce a player. Without the liscense, you cannot get parts. Without parts, there is no player. If they manage to get the parts, then whomever provided the parts to an unliscensed manufacturer will lose their liscense, and thus quite a bit of business.



Maybe because I understand the market far better than you do. Everything is a mystery to you, and if you spent more time reading and using technology rather than dumpster diving for it, it all wouldn't be so mysterious to you.



Always trying to hide the fact that you are as ignorant as hell when it comes to these issues. The folks that are claiming prices are too high want bluray players to be $150 or less. That is who I am referring to. The cheap folks, much like yourself penny pinchin pixel!

There is a difference between being "cheap" and being value concious.
Although in your case any kind of "concious would be an improvement.
You can backengineer anything and dont have to worry about
"parts".
And you can put plenty of product on the shelves, but if people think the price is too high or that it will get cheaper they will wait.
You see, they can wait, because Blu is a disposable income item,
not something that is indespensible.
But the guys selling Blu? Well, they had better be moving players!
The advantage is on the side of the buyer, always has been and always will be.
150 BUCKS EH? That isn't even too far from 250$.
Be there by next year, if not sooner(allowing for inflation of course)

[Ratboy]

FWIW, I play and sell Sony, Panasonic, Sharp, Samsung and Sylvania(Funai) Blu-ray players. Over the past two years, the only player to quit working outright in less than three months of steady use is the Funai.

I can only imagine the build quality of a Magnavox(Philips)... 8^Þ

Short story - you get what you pay for...

[bobsticks]

You just like it when he says it because you think its something dirty.

Well, he'd have a fair amount of precedence from which to draw.

[bobsticks]

Thank you for that Linguistics lesson Professor Syllable. Just the same, I like it when sticks says repartee, it sounds better than when a Canadian says it.

I appreciate the shout-out but when Feanor said, "You are becoming very obscure of late. Humour us simple folk with simple, syntactically conventional, and preferably monosyllabic sentences." there was a certain irony don'tcha think? I'm fairly certain it was intentional.

And, um,...not to get too William Safire on y'alls but I'm pretty sure that "Doubtless BB-USA will equal this." is correct, albeit awkward. It's an implied subject, as in "[It is] Doubtless [that] BB-USA will equal this.". Your way ascribes qualities to all the workers of Best Buy USA, specifically "doubtlessness", which for those of that have experienced the confusion and chaos of a busy evening BB is fairly unconvincing.

In any case, the whole interchange arose from my comments on the word "decimate" which I had suspected was used incorrectly in STtT's first post. I thought maybe T had enjoyed a shot too many of Patron and meant "disseminate" or some such term. I looked it up. I was wrong...so maybe I'd enjoyed one too many. In the end I learned something, so thanks Terrence.

[Rich-n-Texas]

I would've said... "It's doubtful that BB-USA will equal this"... That to me is normal. I said doubtlessly as a means of taking what looked like a shot at US retailers and throwing it back at Feanor, who obviously is jealous of Americans. It might be that some may not have looked deep enough into my message. Whatever. The spontaneity in my post is gone now anyway.

[bobsticks]

Rawk on, bruh, rawk on...

[pixelthis]

FWIW, I play and sell Sony, Panasonic, Sharp, Samsung and Sylvania(Funai) Blu-ray players. Over the past two years, the only player to quit working outright in less than three months of steady use is the Funai.

I can only imagine the build quality of a Magnavox(Philips)... 8^Þ

Short story - you get what you pay for...

Phillips has historically had good build quality.
I ALMOST bought a Phillips, would have if the price had not been a 100 bucks more than the VIZIO I did buy.
Not surprizing about the funai.