Paramount and Dreamworks Go HD-DVD Exclusive

[musicman1999]

On one hand I appreciate Blu-ray and HD-DVD going all out and trying to win this war, but at the same time I hope that they are not relying on gimmicks to do so and that they are both working to deliver a truly superior format to the other, which if they both promise that they initially said, I think Blu-ray has the upper advantage, but are the spending their money right now doing research and development or simply trying to out market the other? One has to wonder.

It is sadly all about marketing.It does not matter if a product is good or not as long as people believe that it is.Example,Monster Cable,a poor quality product that people are willing to overpay for because they believe they are good quality.

bill

[pixelthis]

It is sadly all about marketing.It does not matter if a product is good or not as long as people believe that it is.Example,Monster Cable,a poor quality product that people are willing to overpay for because they believe they are good quality.

bill

I have been trying to explain the importance of marketing on this forum for awhile.
But monster, while marketed quite well, is an example of a quality product at a fair price.
You can spend thousands on your cables if you want, but the roughly one grand I spent on my ENTIRE set of monsters (maybe a little more) will always sound competitive.
When you buy monsters you get hit on both sides, one side which (mistakenly)
think that a good cable is a matter of price, and the other side, who never saw
lampcord from home depot they didn't like.
Monsters are the right guage, gold plated, easy to cut to size, and they wont break the bank.
This is a contentious issue in this hobby, but I will side with the thousands of
blind tests in which no one could tell the difference in cables.
Once you cover the basics thats it.
As for this "format war", a lot of HT fans cant see the forest for the trees,
are your memories so short?
Do you know how many record stores have shut down in the last few years?
Just five years ago CRT was still a major player, now its all but extinct,
things are moving fast.
And in a few years most will get their rentals from cable or sat, the only "buyers"
of movies will buy from whatever format wins this stupid war, and it will be a niche format
at that.
Look at the dvdaudio/sacd feud, sure most are still around but sacd has emerged
as the "leader" if you can call it that, because of its apeal to audiophiles.
Pretty much the same thing will happen in this "war"
Blu ray appeals to the quality crowd, and it will "win", if you want to call it that

[PeruvianSkies]

I have been trying to explain the importance of marketing on this forum for awhile.
But monster, while marketed quite well, is an example of a quality product at a fair price.
You can spend thousands on your cables if you want, but the roughly one grand I spent on my ENTIRE set of monsters (maybe a little more) will always sound competitive.
When you buy monsters you get hit on both sides, one side which (mistakenly)
think that a good cable is a matter of price, and the other side, who never saw
lampcord from home depot they didn't like.
Monsters are the right guage, gold plated, easy to cut to size, and they wont break the bank.
This is a contentious issue in this hobby, but I will side with the thousands of
blind tests in which no one could tell the difference in cables.
Once you cover the basics thats it.
As for this "format war", a lot of HT fans cant see the forest for the trees,
are your memories so short?
Do you know how many record stores have shut down in the last few years?
Just five years ago CRT was still a major player, now its all but extinct,
things are moving fast.
And in a few years most will get their rentals from cable or sat, the only "buyers"
of movies will buy from whatever format wins this stupid war, and it will be a niche format
at that.
Look at the dvdaudio/sacd feud, sure most are still around but sacd has emerged
as the "leader" if you can call it that, because of its apeal to audiophiles.
Pretty much the same thing will happen in this "war"
Blu ray appeals to the quality crowd, and it will "win", if you want to call it that

Ahhhh, I have missed these mindless ramblings...have you been on vacation?

[PeruvianSkies]

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As for this "format war", a lot of HT fans cant see the forest for the trees,
are your memories so short?
:

Thanks for regurgitating a phrase that I used on YOU not too long ago...remember this...


Originally Posted by pixelthis

WRONG, but I do agree with you that audio is important, even with dialog getting the right timber in the voices really adds to the experience.
And now let me settle this with a little experiment.

Think audio is near as important as video to humans?
Well, plug up your ears and walk around the house for awhile, how does that impair you?
NOW do the same with a blindfold on, you will quickly learn what the most important sense is to the average human.
Some old farts refuse to wear their hearing aids, but they ALL wear their glasses

MY RESPONSE:
Again, you can't see the forest through the trees. We are not talking about how important hearing and seeing is when walking around our house, we are talking about it's importance when watching (and hearing) a film. Also, how this relates to us in high-end video and high-end audio terms.

You tried to say that I am comparing apples and oranges...you aren't even comparing food, you're about as far off as apples and laundry detergent.

taken from this thread: audio versus video

[pixelthis]

Thanks for regurgitating a phrase that I used on YOU not too long ago...remember this...


Originally Posted by pixelthis



MY RESPONSE:
Again, you can't see the forest through the trees. We are not talking about how important hearing and seeing is when walking around our house, we are talking about it's importance when watching (and hearing) a film. Also, how this relates to us in high-end video and high-end audio terms.

You tried to say that I am comparing apples and oranges...you aren't even comparing food, you're about as far off as apples and laundry detergent.

taken from this thread: audio versus video

You ought to have your brain taken out so you can use for a paperweight or something,
because everytime you try to use it to think you get in trouble.
Human beings are so visualy oriented hearing isnt even close, and its not a question of whats "important", you CANT HELP IT.
Might as well ask a dolphin what is more important, swimming or playing ice hocky.
Its like those old discussions about which is more important, heart or brain.
True your brain cant live without a heart, but without a brain whats the point?
You say you spent ten k on your system, well, how much of that went into video?
And of your audio gear, how much would you enjoy listening to it if it looked
like an old polish washing machine?
I give up

[pixelthis]

come to think of it, to a lot of tube fans their gear DOES look like an old Polish
washing machine

[drseid]

Blu ray appeals to the quality crowd, and it will "win", if you want to call it that

I guess it depends on what you define as "quality." Obviously we define it deferently. :-)

---Dave

[pixelthis]

I guess it depends on what you define as "quality." Obviously we define it deferently. :-)

---Dave

I guess so.
HDDVD didn't do a thing for me, looked like bad broadcast HDTV, but BLU ray had obvious improvements, not to mention a higher amount of storage space, always handy.
And when you say "quality" what first pops into mind concerning video?
Sony or TOSHIBA?
Maybe for you toshiba, but you are in the minority.
Most audiophiles and videophiles have a rather myopic view of the world.
Our little hobby rides on a sea of industrial activity.
All of our stuff put together is just a niche market in the bigger picture.
Our stuff is made from lesser gear in order to save cost.
Blu ray has a lot if advantages over HDDVD, which uses less space.
Sell a lot of blue ray lasers and the price goes down.
Players (and burners) get cheaper and computer storage gets cheaper.
Blu ray is just more advanced technilogically, and everybody that matters is behind it.
And HDDVD is in retreat, this little "exclusive" deal has more holes in it than a piece of swiss. Just another stalling action so that Toshiba will lose the minimum amount of fingers and toes.
Of course quality doesnt always decide the issue, but in this case the news for HDDVD
is very bad on most fronts.
And in the end, both will take a seat to downloading.
SACD and DVDAUDIO were the biggest marketing snafus in history, trying to appeal
to "quality" when most were downloading cheap 128kbs MP3 off the the web, and the
few "quality " buyers hypnotized by their turntables.
If these two formats dont be carefull they will wind up in the same pot.
Most discs are for rental, these will collect dust while most download off of cable, sat, and the net

[drseid]

I guess so.
HDDVD didn't do a thing for me, looked like bad broadcast HDTV, but BLU ray had obvious improvements, not to mention a higher amount of storage space, always handy.
And when you say "quality" what first pops into mind concerning video?
Sony or TOSHIBA?
Maybe for you toshiba, but you are in the minority.
Most audiophiles and videophiles have a rather myopic view of the world.
Our little hobby rides on a sea of industrial activity.
All of our stuff put together is just a niche market in the bigger picture.
Our stuff is made from lesser gear in order to save cost.
Blu ray has a lot if advantages over HDDVD, which uses less space.
Sell a lot of blue ray lasers and the price goes down.
Players (and burners) get cheaper and computer storage gets cheaper.
Blu ray is just more advanced technilogically, and everybody that matters is behind it.
And HDDVD is in retreat, this little "exclusive" deal has more holes in it than a piece of swiss. Just another stalling action so that Toshiba will lose the minimum amount of fingers and toes.
Of course quality doesnt always decide the issue, but in this case the news for HDDVD
is very bad on most fronts.
And in the end, both will take a seat to downloading.
SACD and DVDAUDIO were the biggest marketing snafus in history, trying to appeal
to "quality" when most were downloading cheap 128kbs MP3 off the the web, and the
few "quality " buyers hypnotized by their turntables.
If these two formats dont be carefull they will wind up in the same pot.
Most discs are for rental, these will collect dust while most download off of cable, sat, and the net

I don't really have a preference for one brand over the other... I actually own equipment from both. I have had much better experience with Toshiba's longevity as I have stated in the past, but I happen to like Sony's TVs from a picture quality standpoint.

As for the HD DVD vs. Blu-ray argument... we will have to agree to disagree there, as neither of us is going to convince the other to change their position.

As for downloads, they may be the wave of the future... I have no idea, but if they do end up that way it will be a sad one for me, as I find them a very poor substitute for either Blu-ray or HD DVD. Lower quality picture and sound, and a long wait to get the movie downloaded -- even with broadband in most cases (not to mention you don't have the disc to watch later). As a collector, I like things a bit more tactile, so I will probably be the last to come on board any technology such as that.

---Dave

[PeruvianSkies]

I guess it depends on what you define as "quality." Obviously we define it deferently. :-)

---Dave

Which is why you are using Tyler Acoustics and not Klipsch.

[GMichael]

Which is why you are using Tyler Acoustics and not Klipsch.

BAM..

[drseid]

Which is why you are using Tyler Acoustics and not Klipsch.

You are too bad... ;-)

---Dave

[bobsticks]

Ouch. There's some passive-aggressive ownage.

[bobsticks]

As has been mentioned the opinions held by aficionados don't mean a hill o' beans in the battle for mainstream dominance. The fact that "Blu-Ray" has already found itself into the popular vernacular as meaning Hi Definition Discs may be telling. Maybe not.

I'm pretty happy with the 360's HD-DVD add on but I'm not firmly entrenched into any camp. Whatever will prove in the long run to give me better audio and video will get the bulk of my expenditures--actually good old fashioned two channel audio sources will probably...never mind.

I'm looking forward to the release of the new generation Denon machines. Will they have the same quality of DACs and video processing? That's the 64,000 dollar question, but 2k for a machine that will devour any disc you put into it including Hi-Def and Hi-Rez is pretty compelling.

[pixelthis]

Which is why you are using Tyler Acoustics and not Klipsch.

I am currently using B&w 's, about six years old but better than a pair of overpriced
(and overrated) PSB

[PeruvianSkies]

I am currently using B&w 's, about six years old but better than a pair of overpriced
(and overrated) PSB

If you are using B&W than change your SIGNATURE to indicate that, otherwise don't blame me for the mistake on what you are currently using.

And just to prove that you hardly know anything about what you talk about, the comment about PSB's being overpriced is just hilarious. I have never heard anyone call these speakers 'overpriced' and if anything PSB has always been known for high-end quality as budget prices. Although you wouldn't know anything about that since apparently Canadian Speaker Manufacturers are only in existence to keep up with the wood industry demands. That was a good one! Where do you come up with your crack-head ideas? Maybe crack.

[pixelthis]

If you are using B&W than change your SIGNATURE to indicate that, otherwise don't blame me for the mistake on what you are currently using.

And just to prove that you hardly know anything about what you talk about, the comment about PSB's being overpriced is just hilarious. I have never heard anyone call these speakers 'overpriced' and if anything PSB has always been known for high-end quality as budget prices. Although you wouldn't know anything about that since apparently Canadian Speaker Manufacturers are only in existence to keep up with the wood industry demands. That was a good one! Where do you come up with your crack-head ideas? Maybe crack.

I'm not blaming you for anything except for being obnoxious.
And there is no "Canadian speaker industry", a Canadian speaker CABINET industry maybe, as most subcontract out their drivers.
I have a friend who has a pair of axiom towers, they sound a lot like PSB.
You know where Milwalkee best beer comes from? Made by miller beer.
The Miller comes from the top of the vat, "best" comes from the bottom.
Same for Keystone, made by Coors.
Axioms are just the "bottom of the vat" PSB's, which in turn are "bottom of the vat"
of whatever passes for high end speakers in Canada.
PSB is a bit overpriced if you consider that Axiom is cheaper, but I can't preach.
I bought an Integra receiver knowing there wasn't much difference between it and
an Onkyo. Not much difference between a crown vic and a Mercury Marqui either.
The difference with me is I KNOW what games marketing types play, in order to gloss
over the plans laid out by manufacturing engineers, who contract out with
a manufacturer, and quite often a lot of stuff comes out of the same place,
just with different names.
You should have bought Axioms. Your speakers would have sounded just as bad
but you could have saved some money.
Or maybe get some of those new bargain line of B&w, which are now made in China
dang it all
The descendents of my great DM305 floorstanders in other words

[musicman1999]

I have been trying to explain the importance of marketing on this forum for awhile.
But monster, while marketed quite well, is an example of a quality product at a fair price.
You can spend thousands on your cables if you want, but the roughly one grand I spent on my ENTIRE set of monsters (maybe a little more) will always sound competitive.
When you buy monsters you get hit on both sides, one side which (mistakenly)
think that a good cable is a matter of price, and the other side, who never saw
lampcord from home depot they didn't like.
Monsters are the right guage, gold plated, easy to cut to size, and they wont break the bank.
This is a contentious issue in this hobby, but I will side with the thousands of
blind tests in which no one could tell the difference in cables.
Once you cover the basics thats it.
As for this "format war", a lot of HT fans cant see the forest for the trees,
are your memories so short?
Do you know how many record stores have shut down in the last few years?
Just five years ago CRT was still a major player, now its all but extinct,
things are moving fast.
And in a few years most will get their rentals from cable or sat, the only "buyers"
of movies will buy from whatever format wins this stupid war, and it will be a niche format
at that.
Look at the dvdaudio/sacd feud, sure most are still around but sacd has emerged
as the "leader" if you can call it that, because of its apeal to audiophiles.
Pretty much the same thing will happen in this "war"
Blu ray appeals to the quality crowd, and it will "win", if you want to call it that

My statements about Monster cable were based on my own experience with cables tried in my own system and with my own ears.I have bought no name brand cables for 1/6 the price that performed better.

bill