do speaker cables make a difference???

[skeptic]

And you have the same tired old "I can hear it but I can't prove it" and "what do you expect from that mid fi junk you listen to?" Seems like you haven't give up either.

[weez82]

I worked for an audio shop for a month and I can tell you that the differance between a $15 cable and a $80 is the $15 cable makes about $1 commission and the $80 cable makes $9. Cables are marked up about 50-60%. The cable industry just wants your money, I mean the $80 cable must sound better then the $15 cable, it cost more and looks better, right?

[E-Stat]

And you have the same tired old "I can hear it but I can't prove it" and "what do you expect from that mid fi junk you listen to?" Seems like you haven't give up either.

The difference is that I qualify my comments with respect to the system involved. You make unsupported blanket claims. Which is indeed valid for the majority of folks asking what cable they should use with their Onkyo receiver.

rw

[mtrycraft]

The difference is that I qualify my comments with respect to the system involved. You make unsupported blanket claims. Which is indeed valid for the majority of folks asking what cable they should use with their Onkyo receiver.

rw

You can qualify you statement with anything you like. You still don't have supporting evidence, just speculations, guesses, daydreams. But, some are very happy with dreams. Enjoy.

[ToddB]

The difference is that I qualify my comments with respect to the system involved. You make unsupported blanket claims. Which is indeed valid for the majority of folks asking what cable they should use with their Onkyo receiver.

rw

Not necessarily, since I've had these speaker cables:

14 AWG zip cord
XLO ER-14
Kimber Kable KWIK-16
Kimber Kable 4PR

and these interconnects:

Radio Shack Gold
XLO Twinax Plus
Kimber Kable Tonik

in this system:

Onkyo TX-8211 receiver
Sony CDP-XE500 CD player
Paradigm Titan or Mini Monitor speakers
Paradigm PDR-8 or PDR-12 subwoofer

and it was easy enough to hear differences between the cables, even at this low level of resolution.

[E-Stat]

... and it was easy enough to hear differences between the cables, even at this low level of resolution.

Didn't mean to slight your system, but I was taking a conservative approach for the theorists and parrots here who don't get it.

rw

[ToddB]

Didn't mean to slight your system, but I was taking a conservative approach for the theorists and parrots here who don't get it.

rw

I know, I just didn't want anyone thinking that they had to resign themselves to using crappy cables because their gear isn't good enough. I've replaced cables in a system that consisted of a mass market and low cost receiver and CD player, and 15-20 year old Pioneer full-range speakers, and the improvements over the old cables were still audible and worthwhile. What's great is that non-audiophiles who've heard these systems before and after the cable changes have also been able to hear the improvements with the new cables. I guess nobody had ever told them that they weren't allowed to hear any audible improvements from just a cable change.

[mtrycraft]

What's great is that non-audiophiles who've heard these systems before and after the cable changes have also been able to hear the improvements with the new cables. I guess nobody had ever told them that they weren't allowed to hear any audible improvements from just a cable change.

I suppose this is somehow better than a testimonial on TV? Why would they be exepmt from human gullibility? Or the basic humand need for changes whether one took place or not?
I don't suppose you confirmed this observation with bias controlled listening, right?

[ToddB]

I suppose this is somehow better than a testimonial on TV?

You are free to give my comments as much or as little credence as you like.

Why would they be exepmt from human gullibility? Or the basic humand need for changes whether one took place or not?

Why would they be exempt from acknowledging reality is the more relevant question. As to how any "basic humand need" factored into what they heard, I'm not as comfortable playing freelance psychologist as you apparently are, so I won't venture a guess. I suppose you'll have to ask them if you really want to know.

I don't suppose you confirmed this observation with bias controlled listening, right?

No, my bias prevents me from being that anal about evaluating the sound of audio components.