Okay, I am sick of hearing about lip syncing

For the last couple of days all I have heard on the news and from friends is that Beyonce lip sync'd the national anthem. My response has been "so what". It is not that I don't care about the story, it is because most folks don't understand what a performance threshold is for an artist. People think that good vocalist should get on stage and sing no matter what the weather conditions are, the acoustics of the venue are, or what type of equipment used. It is just not that way in real life, as just like any instrument, you ability to sing your best depends on many things.

Sometimes you have to lip sync, and it does not mean you can't sing live(for some that is the case). I personally do not do my best singing outside when it is cold or windy. For other singers this may not be a problem. I also don't like excessively dry air either. I know some singers that don't like to sing in the morning, but that is no problem for me. I know professional singers that don't talk during performance day. If I did that, I would not sing my best. Every singer is different no matter how talented(or non talent) they are.

Ladies and gentlemen the Star Spangled Banner is one of the hardest songs in the world for a vocalist to sing. I have performed it a dozen times in my life. It stretches one and a half octaves from the lowest to highest notes. Most pop singers barely do a half octave. Most folks who have sung it should not have tried in the first place. Beyonce is not one of those singers. She can kill this song. Her reasoning for not going live would not have bothered me, I have stepped into situations with little or no rehearsal and have done fine as long as I knew the material well. She had no rehearsal time with the Band, and she didn't feel comfortable singing without some rehearsal. I understand this completely. So she went into the studio and pre-recorded the song like most vocal artist at events like this. You never know what can happen the day of the event, and it is always good to have some sort of backup just in case.

Here are reasons that I would lip sync if I were a pop singer.

1. If I have a lot of choreography in my performance. It is VERY difficult to do a lot of dancing and sing your best at the same time. Combining the right breathing for dancing and for singing is completely different.

2. If I had to sing a wide range song on a cold or windy day. I have lost my voice during these conditions so many times, that I would be smart enough to have a backup just in case.

3. When the acoustics are really bad that it creates a long delay between musicians and singer. Or if there was a lot of reverberation in the venue, like a basketball court.

4. If I could not sing live very well, which is the case for many pop singers these days.

I have to remind people that your voice is an instrument. A just like any instrument, the elements can have a profound effect on how it sounds. Yo Yo Ma pre-recorded his song during Obama first swearing in 2009. The cold made his hands numb, and his Cello would not stay in tune in 20 degree weather. Aretha Franklin sang live after sitting outside for an hour in those same conditions, and she sounded like garbage when she opened her mouth. She stated she should have lip sync'd it instead. I marched Drum corps when I was young, and I used to hear brass complain about tuning issues when the temperature got very hot or cold. Worf can correct me on this, but when the strings of a guitar and piano are subjected to cold weather, the strings contract making the instrument sharp. When it is hot, the strings expand making the instrument flat. The same can happen when the vocal cords are introduced to cold weather.

There are some pop stars that should never sing the national anthem in life again. Christina Aguilera, Anita Baker, Carl Lewis, Cuba Gooding, Keyshia Cole, and Miley Cyrus come to mind as some of the worst performances of the song.

What do other feel about this flap? Or maybe you just don't care. LOL

Good post. And may I add Yo Yo Ma "string synched" his performance in 2008 at the first innaugual! Just saying.

Dave

I agree with everything you said...

...but, ultimately, I don't care. Mrs. Knowles-Carter, whether she participates in a genre of music that I care about or not, has got some pipes...why would I care if it was live or not? She still went through the effort to record a challenging piece and present it as a gift to the nation. The intent was good. Is anyone questioning the validity of the Marines as performers for phoning one in?

Thanks for the comments guys. I finally watched and listened to the performance for the first time, and there is no way she is lip sync'ing. I can hear the EQ they had on the microphone. It sounded kind of hollow, like the system was at the onset of feedback, or just bad EQ on her voice. On top of that, there is absolutely no latency between her lips, and the background track. On every music video I have ever mixed, there is latency between the lips and the track. Directors keep the visuals moving to cover this up.

What she did in essence was use a music background track that she had pre-recorded, and probably practiced to. She was probably more comfortable with that, than a live Band she has never rehearsed with.

Sir T, you must post a link to a download or youtube video. I want to hear/see you sing!

If you are going to a concert and expect a show with the Artist dancing around the stage then you should not complain about lip syncing. Me personally, I would never go to a concert of a vocalist that lip sync'ed. I go to concerts the see a live performance and hear the artist actual voice. I would feel like my money was stolen if the performer lip sync'ed.

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Sir T, you must post a link to a download or youtube video. I want to hear/see you sing!

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Hey... yeah! What Deano said. You been holdin' out on us ya bum!

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Sir T, you must post a link to a download or youtube video. I want to hear/see you sing!

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Deano, I guess because I have mostly done background singing, I have never paid attention to whether anyone recorded any performance I have done. It is really a side, side, and double side gig for me now days as I did most of my singing and performing in the late 80's and 90's. Now it is all about being behind the mixing console where I don't have to be sexy and hot all of the time. LOLOL.

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Deano, I guess because I have mostly done background singing, I have never paid attention to whether anyone recorded any performance I have done. It is really a side, side, and double side gig for me now days as I did most of my singing and performing in the late 80's and 90's. Now it is all about being behind the mixing console where I don't have to be sexy and hot all of the time. LOLOL.

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Cool. I made some home recordings last year using an old Yamaha 4-track (cassette). I could've used a professional sound engineer, updated equipment . . . and a professional singer and musicians.

I made a youtube video of a song I wrote about the gulf oil spill in 2010. It was over the July 4th holiday. It has a little too much beer and twang.

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Cool. I made some home recordings last year using an old Yamaha 4-track (cassette). I could've used a professional sound engineer, updated equipment . . . and a professional singer and musicians.

I made a youtube video of a song I wrote about the gulf oil spill in 2010. It was over the July 4th holiday. It has a little too much beer and twang.

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Beer and twang......wahahahahahahahaha....lolololol..I gotta pee before I pee meself up.

The next performance I do, I am going to get those knuckle headed twins of mine to film it.

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I finally watched and listened to the performance for the first time, and there is no way she is lip sync'ing. I can hear the EQ they had on the microphone.

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Yeah right. Guess someone needs glasses and a hearing aid.

Beyonce Lip Sync Confirmed, Inaugural Official: 'She Did Not Sing Live'
Beyonce Lip Sync Confirmed, Inaugural Official: 'She Did Not Sing Live' - The Boombox

I saw where Rand Paul thought the President should resign if she lip synched. I about laughed my ass off.

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Yeah right. Guess someone needs glasses and a hearing aid.

Beyonce Lip Sync Confirmed, Inaugural Official: 'She Did Not Sing Live'
Beyonce Lip Sync Confirmed, Inaugural Official: 'She Did Not Sing Live' - The Boombox

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What difference does it make stupid, it was her performance in the first place. She did sing the song on the recording that she lip sync'd to. Does that fact escape your air head?

I have told you this before, and I will tell this to you again. GO SCREW YOURSELF NUMBNUTZ...or better yet, NONUTZ!

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What difference does it make stupid, it was her performance in the first place. She did sing the song on the recording that she lip sync'd to. Does that fact escape your air head?

I have told you this before, and I will tell this to you again. GO SCREW YOURSELF NUMBNUTZ...or better yet, NONUTZ!

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The difference was just to point out that one again, your high and mighty know it all opinion, was just more smoke blowing out your @ss as usual.

And as usual, I see you are still following the AR Posting rules and you continue to get preferential treatment from the MODS. Your respectful, integrity enveloped responses to people are one of the main reasons people keep leaving this place and no newbies stick around.

Hope your proud of yourself, we all are.

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I finally watched and listened to the performance for the first time, and there is no way she is lip sync'ing. I can hear the EQ they had on the microphone. It sounded kind of hollow, like the system was at the onset of feedback, or just bad EQ on her voice. On top of that, there is absolutely no latency between her lips, and the background track. On every music video I have ever mixed, there is latency between the lips and the track. Directors keep the visuals moving to cover this up.

What she did in essence was use a music background track that she had pre-recorded, and probably practiced to. She was probably more comfortable with that, than a live Band she has never rehearsed with.

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What difference does it make stupid, it was her performance in the first place. She did sing the song on the recording that she lip sync'd to. Does that fact escape your air head?

I have told you this before, and I will tell this to you again. GO SCREW YOURSELF NUMBNUTZ...or better yet, NONUTZ!

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I know you guys have a 'history' and all. But, geez T. Don't you think this could of been a good moment to just say 'Huh. I was wrong.' And gracefully move on? You're the one who put their expertise on the line.

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I saw where Rand Paul thought the President should resign if she lip synched. I about laughed my ass off.

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That's really sweet, (assuming you hear this from a reliable source).

I've long kind of liked and enjoyed Ron Paul though I disagree with most of his ideas except on reduced military and getting the US out of other people's counties. On the other Rand Paul comes across to me as a total jackass.

Speaking of politicians, I believe the first openly gay provincial premier/state governor in Canada/USA took office today in Ontario, (also the first woman premier in this province) -- Kathleen Wynne: congratulations to her on her election as Leader of the Ontario Liberal Party and hence her assumption of the Premiership.

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The difference was just to point out that one again, your high and mighty know it all opinion, was just more smoke blowing out your @ss as usual.

And as usual, I see you are still following the AR Posting rules and you continue to get preferential treatment from the MODS. Your respectful, integrity enveloped responses to people are one of the main reasons people keep leaving this place and no newbies stick around.

Hope your proud of yourself, we all are.

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Here we go again. Can somebody get a pamper, the baby is leaking again.

If there is any way to stuff your head up your own bum, do it. Don't lecture me fool, you were the one that began this, so stop crying. In the future, it might be helpful to just not respond to anything I write, or you will get what is coming to you. Get it?

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I know you guys have a 'history' and all. But, geez T. Don't you think this could of been a good moment to just say 'Huh. I was wrong.' And gracefully move on? You're the one who put their expertise on the line.

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This idiot makes this statement Yeah right. Guess someone needs glasses and a hearing aid. and you come after me? Wow, you talk about unfair. When you make a statement like that, you deserve what comes at you. There was no reason for that statement PERIOD.

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so stop crying. In the future, it might be helpful to just not respond to anything I write, or you will get what is coming to you. Get it?

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Nobody is crying. I am just going to continue showing the rest of the board who you are. And in the future, I will respond to anything I like, and I will continue to call you out on total Bullcr@p like how sure you are because your listened and watched a video. Once it was proven that you were again totally wrong, like Noddin asked, you should have just come back to your thread and admit that you were wrong. But, that would be too tough for you now wouldn't it?

And you will continue to break the posting rules every time. This is the only place that tolerates your bullying and that is why I don't see you on other more respectable self moderated boards.

And for the record, none of your name calling and bullying has any effect on me except for laughs and allow me to continue to irritate you, which is the most fun I have had here for years. It just re-confirms who you really are and shows newbies and regular posters how you treat others with respect all the time.

And I guess the same could apply to you. Don't like what I post....don't read it, don't respond. But you just can't help yourself can you.

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This idiot makes this statement Yeah right. Guess someone needs glasses and a hearing aid. and you come after me? Wow, you talk about unfair. When you make a statement like that, you deserve what comes at you. There was no reason for that statement PERIOD.

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Who's crying now?

Hit a little too close to home old man?

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This idiot makes this statement ...[edit]... and you come after me? Wow, you talk about unfair.

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I figured between

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Yeah right. Guess someone needs glasses and a hearing aid.

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What difference does it make stupid ...[edit]...
I have told you this before, and I will tell this to you again. GO SCREW YOURSELF NUMBNUTZ...or better yet, NONUTZ!

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...you might not want to get into a weighing of relative civility.

I certainly was not attempting to draw any equivalencies here. Simply stating, on the facts of whether or not there was lip syncing, you could have just laughed it off and said "Gee, I was wrong" and rolled with the joke regarding glasses and hearing - especially since you brought up you rested the proof of your conviction on your hearing and seeing abilities.

'Cause, in the end you were wrong. But, big whoop. I seldom go a day without being wrong on something. I don't go blaming others for it, though. If you can civilly admit error, people will stop persecuting you. easy peasy.

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Who's crying now?

Hit a little too close to home old man?

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And you wonder why your stupid azz gets cussed out. Look A-hole, furl that empty head up and stuff it up your bum. As brainless are you are, that is the best use for it.

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I figured between



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...you might not want to get into a weighing of relative civility.

I certainly was not attempting to draw any equivalencies here. Simply stating, on the facts of whether or not there was lip syncing, you could have just laughed it off and said "Gee, I was wrong" and rolled with the joke regarding glasses and hearing - especially since you brought up you rested the proof of your conviction on your hearing and seeing abilities.

'Cause, in the end you were wrong. But, big whoop. I seldom go a day without being wrong on something. I don't go blaming others for it, though. If you can civilly admit error, people will stop persecuting you. easy peasy.

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Do you realize that you cannot tell anyone how to respond to anything? Have you noticed that in 18 years of posting on this site I have never told ANYONE how to respond to anything? You respond how you want to, and I will do the same. When we start telling people to respond how we would, you are saying your way of responding is the only way right. Sorry, but as "uncivil" as I am, I am not that arrogant.

The fact is, the public heard a recording. The reality is, the singer HAS to breathe correctly, and they have to actually sing whether they are heard or not. If they don't, the latency between the recording and their lips would be huge. As I said in my first post, in the end it really does not matter. One way or another we heard Beyonce sing.

Lastly, I don't really care about your judgement of whether I was right or wrong. This dog piling is boring, and I am through with this subject.

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Do you realize that you cannot tell anyone how to respond to anything? Have you noticed that in 18 years of posting on this site I have never told ANYONE how to respond to anything?

You respond how you want to, and I will do the same. When we start telling people to respond how we would, you are saying your way of responding is the only way right. Sorry, but as "uncivil" as I am, I am not that arrogant.

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Um. Wanna pause and think about that claim? Here's one reminder from a couple days ago in reply to new member oscar22 who explained why he wasn't going to upgrade his receiver

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When you ask people for help, it is not wise to dismiss the advice that is given -especially if it is sound and wise. If you do, it make people less likely to help you again.

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Sounds arrogant to me, and I'm a long time fan of your informative and helpful posts. You bring a lot of grounded experience to the site and held ground for years against audio mumbo-jumbo. Fan though I am, I'm coming around to the view that your occasional belligerent and arrogant outbursts are hurting AR in general. Rather than hash out my views on abusive posts here in forums, I'm just going to start flagging and reporting them to mods. And, I will do so to any similar posts that others make. I hope people will do the same to my posts when I cross the line. The mods should step in more frequently. Maybe if more people report and flag their job would be easier. The site will get better and new members won't be discouraged.

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The fact is, the public heard a recording. The reality is...

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The fact is

1/ you started a thread about how you don't care if a performance was lipsynced.

2/ You then claimed upon viewing that there was "no way" the performance was lip synced and you laid your professional acumen on the line to back up your opinion.

3/ You were wrong

4/ You were unable to take a joke or, with good humor, admit you erred.

5/ If there is any dog piling it is because you blew hard on the dog whistle.

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Um. Wanna pause and think about that claim? Here's one reminder from a couple days ago in reply to new member oscar22 who explained why he wasn't going to upgrade his receiver



Sounds arrogant to me, and I'm a long time fan of your informative and helpful posts. You bring a lot of grounded experience to the site and held ground for years against audio mumbo-jumbo. Fan though I am, I'm coming around to the view that your occasional belligerent and arrogant outbursts are hurting AR in general. Rather than hash out my views on abusive posts here in forums, I'm just going to start flagging and reporting them to mods. And, I will do so to any similar posts that others make. I hope people will do the same to my posts when I cross the line. The mods should step in more frequently. Maybe if more people report and flag their job would be easier. The site will get better and new members won't be discouraged.



The fact is

1/ you started a thread about how you don't care if a performance was lipsynced.

2/ You then claimed upon viewing that there was "no way" the performance was lip synced and you laid your professional acumen on the line to back up your opinion.

3/ You were wrong

4/ You were unable to take a joke or, with good humor, admit you erred.

5/ If there is any dog piling it is because you blew hard on the dog whistle.

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Give it up man. Go find a hobby, go walk the dog, go get a facelift or something. I don't care what you think, I never have, and I never will.

When will you hard heads realize this?

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I'm coming around to the view that your occasional belligerent and arrogant outbursts are hurting AR in general. Rather than hash out my views on abusive posts here in forums, I'm just going to start flagging and reporting them to mods. And, I will do so to any similar posts that others make... The mods should step in more frequently. Maybe if more people report and flag their job would be easier. The site will get better and new members won't be discouraged.

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That sounds like a very good idea. I think many of us step outside the bounds of reasonable discourse from time to time, and many times in response to being badgered. While a little negative bantering is tolerable, some jump at the chance to engage in personal assaults and do so frequently. I agree about the damage caused by this type of behavior.

There has to be a way for the moderators to determine who goes too far without over moderation. Perhaps a solution would be to record the number of flags given over a period of time, by how many different people, and over a set number of postings and use that to determine who is abusing the system. Once that number is reached, ban that person for a period of time. If they come back and continue to act the same way, ban them again for a longer period. The third time, ban them for life.

I'm just saying...

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That sounds like a very good idea. I think many of us step outside the bounds of reasonable discourse from time to time, and many times in response to being badgered. While a little negative bantering is tolerable, some jump at the chance to engage in personal assaults and do so frequently. I agree about the damage caused by this type of behavior.

There has to be a way for the moderators to determine who goes too far without over moderation. Perhaps a solution would be to record the number of flags given over a period of time, by how many different people, and over a set number of postings and use that to determine who is abusing the system. Once that number is reached, ban that person for a period of time. If they come back and continue to act the same way, ban them again for a longer period. The third time, ban them for life.

I'm just saying...

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Steve, I am guilty at times but some people take every chance they can. Below is just a quick sampling of recent respectful posting.

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Give it up man. Go find a hobby, go walk the dog, go get a facelift or something. I don't care what you think, I never have, and I never will.
When will you hard heads realize this?

Just go away already....sheesh!

It is amusing that you are as stupid as you are........

And you wonder why your stupid azz gets cussed out. Look A-hole, furl that empty head up and stuff it up your bum. As brainless are you are, that is the best use for it.


If there is any way to stuff your head up your own bum, do it. Don't lecture me fool

What difference does it make stupid, it was her performance in the first place. She did sing the song on the recording that she lip sync'd to. Does that fact escape your air head?

No simpleton, that is not true at all.

And apparently trying not to be a airhead for any amount of time is impossible for ya

Man, comparing a Sony television to a Vizio and concluding the Sony is better must have been exhausting.

It would take your stupid ass to come up with this bull$hit.

Great, now go screw yourself....

The coward I invision you are runs faster.

Good...then go screw yourself......

And here is my demonstation of how I lost respect for you. Go screw yourself......

Mr. Don't know what he is talking about also stikes again.

Excuse me fool, but

It is interesting that stupid $hit has the same first letters as your moniker.

You should have listened to your mother before it costs you a friend. In the future, I will be sure to disrespect your beliefs as profoundly as you have disrespected mine.

You are showing yourself to be a narrow minded judgemental prick.

RG=Regurgitated
A=out of the A$$
This is what I think of this illogical twisted pile of BS.

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See a pattern here?

To attempt some fairness, Sir T has far more helpful informative and positive posts in the forums than bad. I really am a fan of his posts, I'm not just making that up. And, there's a fair amount of baiting going on since I think most of us rather enjoy a good tussle.

I just think we, as a group, probably need to tighten up our standards of discourse a bit or lose what little readership we have left.

Sir T, welcome to your intervention. It's only because we love and care about you.


(Internal dialogue with mischievous self: "Hmmm . . . post or delete? Don't get involved. Is this baiting? Go ahead, it's funny".)

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Steve, I am guilty at times but some people take every chance they can. Below is just a quick sampling of recent respectful posting.


See a pattern here?

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This is a deceitful and deceptive pile of $hit. What about the comments that initiated those responses? This is cowardly and weak, and why I don't like you. You cherry pick my responses without posting yours that preceded these - in an attempt to use slight of hand techniques. You are attempting to paint a picture that is narrowly focused, and completely without context. Give it up, it ain't working.

What, do you think I am as stupid as you are? Don't play me man. I didn't just bounce off a wagon and into your backyard 10 minutes ago. Your passive/aggressive, victim like posturing is as transparent as Caspar the Friendly Ghost.


I see a pattern alright. You bait me, and then you get cussed out - that is what happens. I just do not come out of the clear blue sky and start firing away. You stupidly do this every time, and then complain about the result.

Anyone with half a brain would figure out that if you did not bait, you won't get cussed out. Hell, my dogs know that if they walk loose leash, they get a treat. If they misbehave, there will be a consequence. Why are you not smart enough to figure this out?

Wait, I already know. No need to answer the question.

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To attempt some fairness, Sir T has far more helpful informative and positive posts in the forums than bad. I really am a fan of his posts, I'm not just making that up. And, there's a fair amount of baiting going on since I think most of us rather enjoy a good tussle.

I just think we, as a group, probably need to tighten up our standards of discourse a bit or lose what little readership we have left.

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Noddin,
The reason this whole pile of crap came UP the toilet, is because there was a whole lot of confusion about Beyonce performance, and there still is.

Yes, we heard a pre-recorded performance. However, there were people close to the podium (Angela Basset) who could hear her voice softly and stated so. When you lip sync, that is what you do, you sing very softly, and let the pre-record carry the load. You can see her neck strain like a singer does when singing, it is just they had the microphone off.

So if the question is did she sing, the answer would be yes. Was the microphone on? No it was not, the pre-recorded track is what the audience heard. So your comments about admitting I am wrong would be silly because technically I was not - she was singing, it was just not what WE were hearing.

You are taking a black and white approach, when there are a ton of grey shades in between.

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Sir T, welcome to your intervention. It's only because we love and care about you.


(Internal dialogue with mischievous self: "Hmmm . . . post or delete? Don't get involved. Is this baiting? Go ahead, it's funny".)

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If this is an intervention, don't film it - it would never make it to air. It is really more of a behavior shaping exercise that is a fail.

You can't change people, you just have to accept what you have. I have had to do it, and so will every one else.

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To attempt some fairness, Sir T has far more helpful informative and positive posts in the forums than bad.

I just think we, as a group, probably need to tighten up our standards of discourse a bit or lose what little readership we have left.

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Good posts or not, if no one is here to read them then what's the point?

Perhaps everyone that's unhappy with the situation needs to just stop posting for a while and see what happens. On one hand, nothing might change, on the other hand the board dies down to a murmur. If there aren't any new posts being made, new membership might stop and the board might shut down, just keep that in mind.

Today, I notice that there are 77 members and 10040 guests. That's not bad at all, but if only a few members are posting then the post are going to go out of date very quickly. Lately, how often have we seen threads brought back that are years old?

My take on this is that when a persons actions damage the reputation of a business, the business might have to close their doors. This is no different.

The last time I left the board was during the wire wars. A person couldn't say anything without getting jumped on. It was a waste of time to come here and I left for many years.

I'm not telling anyone what to do. All I have done is presented a couple of alternatives to the bad behavior problem.

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If this is an intervention, don't film it - it would never make it to air. It is really more of a behavior shaping exercise that is a fail.

You can't change people, you just have to accept what you have. I have had to do it, and so will every one else.

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Yes, it was pretty lame.

One thing you notice about the change of the direction of this thread, is some of the very people that complain about somebody else's behavior, are guilty of shady baiting behavior themselves. Deflection is a pretty powerful tool if you know who to use it on. There is a phenomena called action and reaction, and it is on exhibition right here. The ones that are creating the action, are complaining about the reaction. You two may be fooling some folks, but you are not fooling me one bit. :Yawn:

I just love how folks like the high road while doing low road things. How they like to point to somebody else, when their comments start the problem in the first place. How they want to appear above it all, when their actions start the negative reactions.

Your hypocrisy is pretty staggering Hyfi and Steve. :nono:

Call the dog in.....the hunt is over.....the hounds have lost the scent, and the trail has gone cold.

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Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible

One thing you notice about the change of the direction of this thread, is some of the very people that complain about somebody else's behavior, are guilty of shady baiting behavior themselves. Deflection is a pretty powerful tool if you know who to use it on. There is a phenomena called action and reaction, and it is on exhibition right here. The ones that are creating the action, are complaining about the reaction. You two may be fooling some folks, but you are not fooling me one bit. :Yawn:

I just love how folks like the high road while doing low road things. How they like to point to somebody else, when their comments start the problem in the first place. How they want to appear above it all, when their actions start the negative reactions.

Your hypocrisy is pretty staggering Hyfi and Steve. :nono:

Call the dog in.....the hunt is over.....the hounds have lost the scent, and the trail has gone cold.

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Oh, the hunt is far from over. You always talk about deflection, the high road, bla bla bla

You asked above if I think you are as stupid as me. Well actually a bit more I would say. Maybe you have not yet figured out that my "baiting" which has never contained name calling and trash talk, is merely to bring out the real you. A "Trash Talkin from Da Hood Cyber Bully".

Many of the quotes above of yours were not just to me. That is how you treat every thread where there is a disagreement, argument, or otherwise. You CANNOT complete a thread or make your point without calling people names, telling them to perform impossible sex acts and flat out cyber bullying.

Also, NONE of the preceding comments of mine that they were a response to called you names or told you to go F yourself. I don't talk like that in public, and I don't talk that on line when anonymous. You on the other hand are that guy!

Now lets talk about deflection and stupidity again. This whole thring was started with an ABSOLUTE statement of yours.

""I finally watched and listened to the performance for the first time, and there is no way she is lip sync'ing.""

You were WRONG. But, since I pointed that out, you have gone on with deflection after another as to why you really were not wrong. Duh, everyone who lip sync does it to their own voice. They also practice it and many do it well. It took years to out Millie Vanillie right. They were professionals at faking it.

So instead of having the pea sized balls that half a man would need to just admit they were wrong and move on, you try to change the subject.

So now go back and do a quick search on anyone else here and you will not find the same trash but for a mere few threads from anyone since Dusty and YECH went at it back in the day.

Go back and review all your respones and show me where I did the same to you or anyone else. Show me where any current member of this place does the same over and over.

You have many choices on how to respond to a post you don't like or feel it is baiting you. You could ignore it, you could respond with a clever civil tongue, you could man up and admit when your wrong.....but you always choose to trash talk, name call, and cyber bully because that is who you are. Man up and deal with it. We all have to.

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Originally Posted by noddin0ff

To attempt some fairness, Sir T has far more helpful informative and positive posts in the forums than bad. I really am a fan of his posts, I'm not just making that up. And, there's a fair amount of baiting going on since I think most of us rather enjoy a good tussle.

I just think we, as a group, probably need to tighten up our standards of discourse a bit or lose what little readership we have left.

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One of that last times we took this ride, I also said something similar. I have said that I have learned many a thing. But giving good information from time to time does not give anyone a free pass to trash talk every time he feels like it. A civilly posted bait, deserves a civil witty response like most adults can come up with.

The standards that you speak of are exactly what I will continue to point out. Trash Talking and Cyber Bullying.

Flag the posts, call the Mods...whatever you need to do. They really don't care or they would have stepped in a long time ago and just put a simple stop to it. There is no reason to allow a single member to do what T does at every chance he gets. You don't see anyone else doing it do you?

There is no reason why adults cannot keep a civil tongue, baited or otherwise. It's just how most adults behave.

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Originally Posted by Hyfi

Flag the posts, call the Mods...whatever you need to do. They really don't care or they would have stepped in a long time ago and just put a simple stop to it. There is no reason to allow a single member to do what T does at every chance he gets. You don't see anyone else doing it do you?

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I believe that you just hit the nail on the head...However, I know ForeverAutumn doesn't like this sort of thing. She stepped in when Mr. Terrible and I were going at it in one of her threads. That whole fiasco with T was the first time I ever ran into him and the stupidest thing I ever experienced. That's when I realized that T had really serious mental problems. That's also why reasoning when him is a waste of time. Back then I called him psychotic which is a general term that covers a great many mental aberrations. More specifically, he shows signs of paranoia, pathological narcissism, possible schizophrenia, and low self esteem. If you've been following the blogs, you'll know that he alluded to the idea that he deserved respect and if you didn't give it to him, he would make you pay. He does this with personal insults, sounding more like a 2 year old throwing a tantrum rather than the actions of an intelligent person. His attempts to emotionally hurt others has some degree of effect, hence the posts we are presently engaged in now. When he lacks the ability to use reason to make his point, he attacks, his tool of choice is defamation. I should point out that his narcissistic nature has him believing that only he knows what's true and what isn't. If you go along with him, then everything is fine, but question or disagree and he can't handle it. I will agree that some of his more lucid posts are interesting, but hardly earth shattering. The information he presents can be found all over the net, with some people who agree and some who don't. The fact is that his area of expertise is limited to the mixing console and recording studio. Much of what he says may be technically correct, but translates poorly to the home environment. He thinks that Hyfi and I are using “deflection”” to trap him, which is another manifestation of his delusions. The fact is that I am being very direct with my words, I'm just not talking to him (a waste of my time). T doesn't seem to understand that duplicity is the name of his game, not ours, but for his sake, and just this once, I'll address him directly...T, I know you won't understand, but your presence here on this board, while at times can add to the substance of audio, in the end, your innate drive to dictate and not listen, to demean and not tolerate, and total lack of social etiquette is causing great harm to this board. It's always about you, the people here don't matter to you, the reputation of this web site is of little consequence. What you add to this forum cannot undo the damage you create in your wake. Have I made myself perfectly clear?

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Originally Posted by Hyfi

Oh, the hunt is far from over. You always talk about deflection, the high road, bla bla bla

You asked above if I think you are as stupid as me. Well actually a bit more I would say. Maybe you have not yet figured out that my "baiting" which has never contained name calling and trash talk, is merely to bring out the real you. A "Trash Talkin from Da Hood Cyber Bully".

Many of the quotes above of yours were not just to me. That is how you treat every thread where there is a disagreement, argument, or otherwise. You CANNOT complete a thread or make your point without calling people names, telling them to perform impossible sex acts and flat out cyber bullying.

Also, NONE of the preceding comments of mine that they were a response to called you names or told you to go F yourself. I don't talk like that in public, and I don't talk that on line when anonymous. You on the other hand are that guy!

Now lets talk about deflection and stupidity again. This whole thring was started with an ABSOLUTE statement of yours.

""I finally watched and listened to the performance for the first time, and there is no way she is lip sync'ing.""

You were WRONG. But, since I pointed that out, you have gone on with deflection after another as to why you really were not wrong. Duh, everyone who lip sync does it to their own voice. They also practice it and many do it well. It took years to out Millie Vanillie right. They were professionals at faking it.

So instead of having the pea sized balls that half a man would need to just admit they were wrong and move on, you try to change the subject.

So now go back and do a quick search on anyone else here and you will not find the same trash but for a mere few threads from anyone since Dusty and YECH went at it back in the day.

Go back and review all your respones and show me where I did the same to you or anyone else. Show me where any current member of this place does the same over and over.

You have many choices on how to respond to a post you don't like or feel it is baiting you. You could ignore it, you could respond with a clever civil tongue, you could man up and admit when your wrong.....but you always choose to trash talk, name call, and cyber bully because that is who you are. Man up and deal with it. We all have to.

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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL......WAHAHAHAHAHA.....this is just dripping with desperation. And it is best reflected by the racial overtones of this particular statement

Maybe you have not yet figured out that my "baiting" which has never contained name calling and trash talk, is merely to bring out the real you. A "Trash Talkin from Da Hood Cyber Bully".

To which I respond that you are nothing more than a pink fingered peckerwood pussy with a passive/aggressive inferiority complex.

Thank you for confessing that you were baiting. It kinda takes the air out of all your wining and complaining.

Once again, no baiting, no negative response. No action, no reaction. Get it?

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Originally Posted by Mr. T the Cyber Bully

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL......WAHAHAHAHAHA.....this is just dripping with desperation. And it is best reflected by the racial overtones of this particular statement

Maybe you have not yet figured out that my "baiting" which has never contained name calling and trash talk, is merely to bring out the real you. A "Trash Talkin from Da Hood Cyber Bully".

To which I respond that you are nothing more than a pink fingered peckerwood pussy with a passive/aggressive inferiority complex.

Thank you for confessing that you were baiting. It kinda takes the air out of all your wining and complaining.

Once again, no baiting, no negative response. No action, no reaction. Get it?

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Where is the racial crap you're crying about now? The statement is true and has nothing to do with your race, whatever it is because I really don't know.

And once again, baiting or otherwise, your need to trash talk as opposed to being an adult is what is the issue in all of this. And as you have begun to notice, I am not alone. Although most don't like to get involved, I have received PMs and emails and Rep Points from many folks here for pointing out just who and what you are. A Trash Takin Cyber Bully who cannot articulate his responses without name calling and belittling.

And since I had to confess to the obvious, once again I will have to say Yes, I really do think you are more stupid than I. Pretty much everyone else knew what was going on but you are so tightly wound and stuck on yourself I had to tell you.

Each and every reply here just keeps proving my point and until I get banned for continuing to point it out it won't stop.

Now be a man and just say "I was wrong, she really did Lip Sync and she fooled me along with millions of others:" Is that so hard or do you need to continue to deflect again as to why you were not wrong? You just cannot ever admit you were wrong whether you watched and listened or read about it. Wrong is wrong no matter how you deflect it and twist everything around.

And until you can learn to cleverly respond without your normal trash talk and name calling, it will continue to get pointed out.

And now that I really know, don't try pulling the race card here. It has nothing to do with anything except your desperate attempts to make yourself out to be something you are not while trying to make others smaller.