Okay, I am sick of hearing about lip syncing

[Hyfi]

One thing you notice about the change of the direction of this thread, is some of the very people that complain about somebody else's behavior, are guilty of shady baiting behavior themselves. Deflection is a pretty powerful tool if you know who to use it on. There is a phenomena called action and reaction, and it is on exhibition right here. The ones that are creating the action, are complaining about the reaction. You two may be fooling some folks, but you are not fooling me one bit.

I just love how folks like the high road while doing low road things. How they like to point to somebody else, when their comments start the problem in the first place. How they want to appear above it all, when their actions start the negative reactions.

Your hypocrisy is pretty staggering Hyfi and Steve.

Call the dog in.....the hunt is over.....the hounds have lost the scent, and the trail has gone cold.

Oh, the hunt is far from over. You always talk about deflection, the high road, bla bla bla

You asked above if I think you are as stupid as me. Well actually a bit more I would say. Maybe you have not yet figured out that my "baiting" which has never contained name calling and trash talk, is merely to bring out the real you. A "Trash Talkin from Da Hood Cyber Bully".

Many of the quotes above of yours were not just to me. That is how you treat every thread where there is a disagreement, argument, or otherwise. You CANNOT complete a thread or make your point without calling people names, telling them to perform impossible sex acts and flat out cyber bullying.

Also, NONE of the preceding comments of mine that they were a response to called you names or told you to go F yourself. I don't talk like that in public, and I don't talk that on line when anonymous. You on the other hand are that guy!

Now lets talk about deflection and stupidity again. This whole thring was started with an ABSOLUTE statement of yours.

""I finally watched and listened to the performance for the first time, and there is no way she is lip sync'ing.""

You were WRONG. But, since I pointed that out, you have gone on with deflection after another as to why you really were not wrong. Duh, everyone who lip sync does it to their own voice. They also practice it and many do it well. It took years to out Millie Vanillie right. They were professionals at faking it.

So instead of having the pea sized balls that half a man would need to just admit they were wrong and move on, you try to change the subject.

So now go back and do a quick search on anyone else here and you will not find the same trash but for a mere few threads from anyone since Dusty and YECH went at it back in the day.

Go back and review all your respones and show me where I did the same to you or anyone else. Show me where any current member of this place does the same over and over.

You have many choices on how to respond to a post you don't like or feel it is baiting you. You could ignore it, you could respond with a clever civil tongue, you could man up and admit when your wrong.....but you always choose to trash talk, name call, and cyber bully because that is who you are. Man up and deal with it. We all have to.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Oh, the hunt is far from over. You always talk about deflection, the high road, bla bla bla

You asked above if I think you are as stupid as me. Well actually a bit more I would say. Maybe you have not yet figured out that my "baiting" which has never contained name calling and trash talk, is merely to bring out the real you. A "Trash Talkin from Da Hood Cyber Bully".

Many of the quotes above of yours were not just to me. That is how you treat every thread where there is a disagreement, argument, or otherwise. You CANNOT complete a thread or make your point without calling people names, telling them to perform impossible sex acts and flat out cyber bullying.

Also, NONE of the preceding comments of mine that they were a response to called you names or told you to go F yourself. I don't talk like that in public, and I don't talk that on line when anonymous. You on the other hand are that guy!

Now lets talk about deflection and stupidity again. This whole thring was started with an ABSOLUTE statement of yours.

""I finally watched and listened to the performance for the first time, and there is no way she is lip sync'ing.""

You were WRONG. But, since I pointed that out, you have gone on with deflection after another as to why you really were not wrong. Duh, everyone who lip sync does it to their own voice. They also practice it and many do it well. It took years to out Millie Vanillie right. They were professionals at faking it.

So instead of having the pea sized balls that half a man would need to just admit they were wrong and move on, you try to change the subject.

So now go back and do a quick search on anyone else here and you will not find the same trash but for a mere few threads from anyone since Dusty and YECH went at it back in the day.

Go back and review all your respones and show me where I did the same to you or anyone else. Show me where any current member of this place does the same over and over.

You have many choices on how to respond to a post you don't like or feel it is baiting you. You could ignore it, you could respond with a clever civil tongue, you could man up and admit when your wrong.....but you always choose to trash talk, name call, and cyber bully because that is who you are. Man up and deal with it. We all have to.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL......WAHAHAHAHAHA.....this is just dripping with desperation. And it is best reflected by the racial overtones of this particular statement

Maybe you have not yet figured out that my "baiting" which has never contained name calling and trash talk, is merely to bring out the real you. A "Trash Talkin from Da Hood Cyber Bully".

To which I respond that you are nothing more than a pink fingered peckerwood pussy with a passive/aggressive inferiority complex.

Thank you for confessing that you were baiting. It kinda takes the air out of all your wining and complaining.

Once again, no baiting, no negative response. No action, no reaction. Get it?

[Hyfi]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL......WAHAHAHAHAHA.....this is just dripping with desperation. And it is best reflected by the racial overtones of this particular statement

Maybe you have not yet figured out that my "baiting" which has never contained name calling and trash talk, is merely to bring out the real you. A "Trash Talkin from Da Hood Cyber Bully".

To which I respond that you are nothing more than a pink fingered peckerwood pussy with a passive/aggressive inferiority complex.

Thank you for confessing that you were baiting. It kinda takes the air out of all your wining and complaining.

Once again, no baiting, no negative response. No action, no reaction. Get it?

Where is the racial crap you're crying about now? The statement is true and has nothing to do with your race, whatever it is because I really don't know.

And once again, baiting or otherwise, your need to trash talk as opposed to being an adult is what is the issue in all of this. And as you have begun to notice, I am not alone. Although most don't like to get involved, I have received PMs and emails and Rep Points from many folks here for pointing out just who and what you are. A Trash Takin Cyber Bully who cannot articulate his responses without name calling and belittling.

And since I had to confess to the obvious, once again I will have to say Yes, I really do think you are more stupid than I. Pretty much everyone else knew what was going on but you are so tightly wound and stuck on yourself I had to tell you.

Each and every reply here just keeps proving my point and until I get banned for continuing to point it out it won't stop.

Now be a man and just say "I was wrong, she really did Lip Sync and she fooled me along with millions of others:" Is that so hard or do you need to continue to deflect again as to why you were not wrong? You just cannot ever admit you were wrong whether you watched and listened or read about it. Wrong is wrong no matter how you deflect it and twist everything around.

And until you can learn to cleverly respond without your normal trash talk and name calling, it will continue to get pointed out.

And now that I really know, don't try pulling the race card here. It has nothing to do with anything except your desperate attempts to make yourself out to be something you are not while trying to make others smaller.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

OMG!!! This intervention is a complete and utter failure! It's time to get real, y'all.

Thank you. Now on to this...

First, only you, Sir T, would come to the aid of Beyonce on this forum as if she was your personal friend. Nobody here criticized her. Maybe this is a big deal with your Hollywood circle of friends and the media, but it didn't seem to be a big deal here until you began your frustrated post.

Dean are you saying that I cannot come to the off topic section and tell what is on my mind just like everyone else here does?

And then, OMG, your frustrated post! Wow! You hold yourself out as some sort of professional singer/recording artist and list all the reasons why YOU would lip-synch. Ok, maybe you know what you're talking about instead of talking down to the rest of us non-Hollywood rubes.

I am sorry you interpreted my post as talkin down to you. I really can't anything about the way you interpret what I post. That ball is in your court. I didn't list any reason why I would lip sync, I mention the reason that singers do it PERIOD.

Let's see if Sir T knows wtf he's talking about. I ask you to post a link to one of your recordings. Nothing, nada, except excuses.

I did say that I WAS a professional BACKGROUND singer which means I am not the artist in the spotlight. When I did that job(back in college) I just did the job. I never thought to record anything because there was no reason to - youtube didn't even exist back then. You know a whole world existed before youtube right?

Then, after complaining about all the complaints about Beyonce, you finally examine the video yourself and based on your own "expertise" you determine that Beyonce did not in fact lip-synch.

It wasn't my expertise that led me to that determination. It was comments by the people that attended the ceremony as well. There were comments from folks(specifically from Angela Bassett) that were near her that heard her singing very softly to the track even though the microphone was off. You can see on the video the movement of her neck shows that she is indeed singing. You can't mime that affect. Hence why you have the confusion in the first place. Some folks heard her singing softly, but where unaware the microphone was off.

Next, official reports come from the White House saying that Beyonce did in fact lip-synch. Well, now, what do you do? You change the definition of lip-synch and declare that you were right all along.
WTF, man?!?!?

I didn't change anything. People heard her singing softly, and that is a fact. So she was in fact singing. Her microphone was off, that is a fact. So her singing was not picked up, and that was intentional. If I hadn't heard anyone say they heard her voice, and I didn't see her neck moving like she was actually singing, then I would in fact come back here and say I was wrong she was miming. This is not reinventing the meaning of lip sync'ing at all Dean. So the fact that some heard her singing softly but the microphone was off makes me wrong? I don't think so. There is a difference between singing with the microphone off, and doing no singing at all. One is miming, the other is trading a live vocal performance for a track. In this case it was the latter.

This video illustrates exactly what I mean.

Audio recording suggests Beyonce was singing anthem - Entertainment - Video - 3 News

Notice how the vocal coach states she thinks Beyonce was singing, but singing to a track. What was not mentioned, was the microphone was totally off. That revelation came later.

This is all I am saying here. Some things are clear and simple, others much more complex. Do you agree?

[dean_martin]

Thank you. Now on to this...



Dean are you saying that I cannot come to the off topic section and tell what is on my mind just like everyone else here does?



I am sorry you interpreted my post as talkin down to you. I really can't anything about the way you interpret what I post. That ball is in your court. I didn't list any reason why I would lip sync, I mention the reason that singers do it PERIOD.



I did say that I WAS a professional BACKGROUND singer which means I am not the artist in the spotlight. When I did that job(back in college) I just did the job. I never thought to record anything because there was no reason to - youtube didn't even exist back then. You know a whole world existed before youtube right?



It wasn't my expertise that led me to that determination. It was comments by the people that attended the ceremony as well. There were comments from folks(specifically from Angela Bassett) that were near her that heard her singing very softly to the track even though the microphone was off. You can see on the video the movement of her neck shows that she is indeed singing. You can't mime that affect. Hence why you have the confusion in the first place. Some folks heard her singing softly, but where unaware the microphone was off.



I didn't change anything. People heard her singing softly, and that is a fact. So she was in fact singing. Her microphone was off, that is a fact. So her singing was not picked up, and that was intentional. If I hadn't heard anyone say they heard her voice, and I didn't see her neck moving like she was actually singing, then I would in fact come back here and say I was wrong she was miming. This is not reinventing the meaning of lip sync'ing at all Dean. So the fact that some heard her singing softly but the microphone was off makes me wrong? I don't think so. There is a difference between singing with the microphone off, and doing no singing at all. One is miming, the other is trading a live vocal performance for a track. In this case it was the latter.

This video illustrates exactly what I mean.

Audio recording suggests Beyonce was singing anthem - Entertainment - Video - 3 News

Notice how the vocal coach states she thinks Beyonce was singing, but singing to a track. What was not mentioned, was the microphone was totally off. That revelation came later.

This is all I am saying here. Some things are clear and simple, others much more complex. Do you agree?

I deleted my post. I thought it was gone before anyone could respond. I realized we come from different "places" and have different backgrounds and experiences, although we do have some things in common. I may think whether Beyonce lip-synched is trivial, but I recognize that others may be interested in this subject. I think my post reflected my attitude toward the subject. Really, I was more interested in your experience in musical performance than what Beyonce did or didn't do, but that wasn't the thread topic.

Plus, my therapist advised not to engage in confrontation outside of work.

[Smokey]

I deleted my post. I thought it was gone before anyone could respond. I realized we come from different "places" and have different backgrounds and experiences, although we do have some things in common. I may think whether Beyonce lip-synched is trivial, but I recognize that others may be interested in this subject. I think my post reflected my attitude toward the subject. Really, I was more interested in your experience in musical performance than what Beyonce did or didn't do, but that wasn't the thread topic.

You said what needed to be said

IMO lip syncing and singing live is not the same as energy and emotional levels are different. The energy and emotions a 'live' singer would get from an audience (and in this case the president) would be reflective in her singing. Beyonce got a chance in a lifetime to sing in front of the president, and she blew it.

[JohnMichael]

You said what needed to be said

IMO lip syncing and singing live is not the same as energy and emotional levels are different. The energy and emotions a 'live' singer would get from an audience (and in this case the president) would be reflective in her singing. Beyonce got a chance in a lifetime to sing in front of the president, and she blew it.

Actually it was her second time. She sang "At Last" at the first inauguration.

[Smokey]

Actually it was her second time. She sang "At Last" at the first inauguration.

Thanks John. I didn't know she sang in first inauguration ball

When you are on a stage that lofty, and everyone is watching and judging what you do, it not wise to take such a huge chance that you will fail.

Well, this was not an audition.

Wouldn't you say it would have been better to sing live albiet not nailing every tone than to pretend singing live with lip syncing. She probably would'nt got as much bad press. Remember what happened to Milli Vanilli

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

You said what needed to be said

IMO lip syncing and singing live is not the same as energy and emotional levels are different. The energy and emotions a 'live' singer would get from an audience (and in this case the president) would be reflective in her singing. Beyonce got a chance in a lifetime to sing in front of the president, and she blew it.

I in part agree with your comment here, with a side note. As a singer, you cannot get that energy or emotion if the conditions are not right. If you have not rehearsed with your band, and if it is too cold for the band to stay in tune, and your voice to be its optimum, then it will not happen. When you are on a stage that lofty, and everyone is watching and judging what you do, it not wise to take such a huge chance that you will fail.

I don't think she blew it at all. She was not out to impress or prove anything. She already sung for the President once, and she proved that she could sing her butt off.

BEYONCE At Last LIVE BARACK OBAMA MICHELLE Sweet Dreams Halo Inauguration Run The World 2013 - YouTube

Done live to a track, and well done IMO

In comparing this to my passion of dog training....you don't set a dog up to fail, you make sure it succeeds.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

I deleted my post. I thought it was gone before anyone could respond. I realized we come from different "places" and have different backgrounds and experiences, although we do have some things in common. I may think whether Beyonce lip-synched is trivial, but I recognize that others may be interested in this subject. I think my post reflected my attitude toward the subject. Really, I was more interested in your experience in musical performance than what Beyonce did or didn't do, but that wasn't the thread topic.

Deano, no problem, and as you can see from my post, no hate towards ya. You are right, it is trivial, like most things that appear in the off topic section. I am passionate about what I know, and quite obviously ignorant as hell about what I don't know. That is why I don't talk about what I don't know. LOLOLOL.

Plus, my therapist advised not to engage in confrontation outside of work.

My Doctor told me the same thing when I was diagnosed with Lupus. As you can see, I didn't listen.