Okay, I am sick of hearing about lip syncing

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

OMG!!! This intervention is a complete and utter failure! It's time to get real, y'all.

Thank you. Now on to this...

First, only you, Sir T, would come to the aid of Beyonce on this forum as if she was your personal friend. Nobody here criticized her. Maybe this is a big deal with your Hollywood circle of friends and the media, but it didn't seem to be a big deal here until you began your frustrated post.

Dean are you saying that I cannot come to the off topic section and tell what is on my mind just like everyone else here does?

And then, OMG, your frustrated post! Wow! You hold yourself out as some sort of professional singer/recording artist and list all the reasons why YOU would lip-synch. Ok, maybe you know what you're talking about instead of talking down to the rest of us non-Hollywood rubes.

I am sorry you interpreted my post as talkin down to you. I really can't anything about the way you interpret what I post. That ball is in your court. I didn't list any reason why I would lip sync, I mention the reason that singers do it PERIOD.

Let's see if Sir T knows wtf he's talking about. I ask you to post a link to one of your recordings. Nothing, nada, except excuses.

I did say that I WAS a professional BACKGROUND singer which means I am not the artist in the spotlight. When I did that job(back in college) I just did the job. I never thought to record anything because there was no reason to - youtube didn't even exist back then. You know a whole world existed before youtube right?

Then, after complaining about all the complaints about Beyonce, you finally examine the video yourself and based on your own "expertise" you determine that Beyonce did not in fact lip-synch.

It wasn't my expertise that led me to that determination. It was comments by the people that attended the ceremony as well. There were comments from folks(specifically from Angela Bassett) that were near her that heard her singing very softly to the track even though the microphone was off. You can see on the video the movement of her neck shows that she is indeed singing. You can't mime that affect. Hence why you have the confusion in the first place. Some folks heard her singing softly, but where unaware the microphone was off.

Next, official reports come from the White House saying that Beyonce did in fact lip-synch. Well, now, what do you do? You change the definition of lip-synch and declare that you were right all along.
WTF, man?!?!?

I didn't change anything. People heard her singing softly, and that is a fact. So she was in fact singing. Her microphone was off, that is a fact. So her singing was not picked up, and that was intentional. If I hadn't heard anyone say they heard her voice, and I didn't see her neck moving like she was actually singing, then I would in fact come back here and say I was wrong she was miming. This is not reinventing the meaning of lip sync'ing at all Dean. So the fact that some heard her singing softly but the microphone was off makes me wrong? I don't think so. There is a difference between singing with the microphone off, and doing no singing at all. One is miming, the other is trading a live vocal performance for a track. In this case it was the latter.

This video illustrates exactly what I mean.

Audio recording suggests Beyonce was singing anthem - Entertainment - Video - 3 News

Notice how the vocal coach states she thinks Beyonce was singing, but singing to a track. What was not mentioned, was the microphone was totally off. That revelation came later.

This is all I am saying here. Some things are clear and simple, others much more complex. Do you agree?

[dean_martin]

Thank you. Now on to this...



Dean are you saying that I cannot come to the off topic section and tell what is on my mind just like everyone else here does?



I am sorry you interpreted my post as talkin down to you. I really can't anything about the way you interpret what I post. That ball is in your court. I didn't list any reason why I would lip sync, I mention the reason that singers do it PERIOD.



I did say that I WAS a professional BACKGROUND singer which means I am not the artist in the spotlight. When I did that job(back in college) I just did the job. I never thought to record anything because there was no reason to - youtube didn't even exist back then. You know a whole world existed before youtube right?



It wasn't my expertise that led me to that determination. It was comments by the people that attended the ceremony as well. There were comments from folks(specifically from Angela Bassett) that were near her that heard her singing very softly to the track even though the microphone was off. You can see on the video the movement of her neck shows that she is indeed singing. You can't mime that affect. Hence why you have the confusion in the first place. Some folks heard her singing softly, but where unaware the microphone was off.



I didn't change anything. People heard her singing softly, and that is a fact. So she was in fact singing. Her microphone was off, that is a fact. So her singing was not picked up, and that was intentional. If I hadn't heard anyone say they heard her voice, and I didn't see her neck moving like she was actually singing, then I would in fact come back here and say I was wrong she was miming. This is not reinventing the meaning of lip sync'ing at all Dean. So the fact that some heard her singing softly but the microphone was off makes me wrong? I don't think so. There is a difference between singing with the microphone off, and doing no singing at all. One is miming, the other is trading a live vocal performance for a track. In this case it was the latter.

This video illustrates exactly what I mean.

Audio recording suggests Beyonce was singing anthem - Entertainment - Video - 3 News

Notice how the vocal coach states she thinks Beyonce was singing, but singing to a track. What was not mentioned, was the microphone was totally off. That revelation came later.

This is all I am saying here. Some things are clear and simple, others much more complex. Do you agree?

I deleted my post. I thought it was gone before anyone could respond. I realized we come from different "places" and have different backgrounds and experiences, although we do have some things in common. I may think whether Beyonce lip-synched is trivial, but I recognize that others may be interested in this subject. I think my post reflected my attitude toward the subject. Really, I was more interested in your experience in musical performance than what Beyonce did or didn't do, but that wasn't the thread topic.

Plus, my therapist advised not to engage in confrontation outside of work.

[Smokey]

I deleted my post. I thought it was gone before anyone could respond. I realized we come from different "places" and have different backgrounds and experiences, although we do have some things in common. I may think whether Beyonce lip-synched is trivial, but I recognize that others may be interested in this subject. I think my post reflected my attitude toward the subject. Really, I was more interested in your experience in musical performance than what Beyonce did or didn't do, but that wasn't the thread topic.

You said what needed to be said

IMO lip syncing and singing live is not the same as energy and emotional levels are different. The energy and emotions a 'live' singer would get from an audience (and in this case the president) would be reflective in her singing. Beyonce got a chance in a lifetime to sing in front of the president, and she blew it.

[JohnMichael]

You said what needed to be said

IMO lip syncing and singing live is not the same as energy and emotional levels are different. The energy and emotions a 'live' singer would get from an audience (and in this case the president) would be reflective in her singing. Beyonce got a chance in a lifetime to sing in front of the president, and she blew it.

Actually it was her second time. She sang "At Last" at the first inauguration.

[Smokey]

Actually it was her second time. She sang "At Last" at the first inauguration.

Thanks John. I didn't know she sang in first inauguration ball

When you are on a stage that lofty, and everyone is watching and judging what you do, it not wise to take such a huge chance that you will fail.

Well, this was not an audition.

Wouldn't you say it would have been better to sing live albiet not nailing every tone than to pretend singing live with lip syncing. She probably would'nt got as much bad press. Remember what happened to Milli Vanilli

[StevenSurprenant]

Wouldn't you say it would have been better to sing live albiet not nailing every tone than to pretend singing live with lip syncing. She probably would'nt got as much bad press.

I agree with you on this. I would never expect perfection and sometimes it's the mistakes that make a live performance more memorable, in a good way. A simple, "I'm under the weather" would be enough for me forgive every mistake. Heck, If the singers voice was completely gone and they admitted to lip syncing before the performance would be enough for me to look past it.

However, to just lip sync without saying anything about it is tantamount to robbery. I would just have bought the recording.

This only applies when I pay for a performance. If it's free, I don't make any judgments.

[Hyfi]

This would have been better instead of flat out deceit.

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[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

You said what needed to be said

IMO lip syncing and singing live is not the same as energy and emotional levels are different. The energy and emotions a 'live' singer would get from an audience (and in this case the president) would be reflective in her singing. Beyonce got a chance in a lifetime to sing in front of the president, and she blew it.

I in part agree with your comment here, with a side note. As a singer, you cannot get that energy or emotion if the conditions are not right. If you have not rehearsed with your band, and if it is too cold for the band to stay in tune, and your voice to be its optimum, then it will not happen. When you are on a stage that lofty, and everyone is watching and judging what you do, it not wise to take such a huge chance that you will fail.

I don't think she blew it at all. She was not out to impress or prove anything. She already sung for the President once, and she proved that she could sing her butt off.

BEYONCE At Last LIVE BARACK OBAMA MICHELLE Sweet Dreams Halo Inauguration Run The World 2013 - YouTube

Done live to a track, and well done IMO

In comparing this to my passion of dog training....you don't set a dog up to fail, you make sure it succeeds.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

I deleted my post. I thought it was gone before anyone could respond. I realized we come from different "places" and have different backgrounds and experiences, although we do have some things in common. I may think whether Beyonce lip-synched is trivial, but I recognize that others may be interested in this subject. I think my post reflected my attitude toward the subject. Really, I was more interested in your experience in musical performance than what Beyonce did or didn't do, but that wasn't the thread topic.

Deano, no problem, and as you can see from my post, no hate towards ya. You are right, it is trivial, like most things that appear in the off topic section. I am passionate about what I know, and quite obviously ignorant as hell about what I don't know. That is why I don't talk about what I don't know. LOLOLOL.

Plus, my therapist advised not to engage in confrontation outside of work.

My Doctor told me the same thing when I was diagnosed with Lupus. As you can see, I didn't listen.