Okay, I am sick of hearing about lip syncing

[StevenSurprenant]

I'm coming around to the view that your occasional belligerent and arrogant outbursts are hurting AR in general. Rather than hash out my views on abusive posts here in forums, I'm just going to start flagging and reporting them to mods. And, I will do so to any similar posts that others make... The mods should step in more frequently. Maybe if more people report and flag their job would be easier. The site will get better and new members won't be discouraged.

That sounds like a very good idea. I think many of us step outside the bounds of reasonable discourse from time to time, and many times in response to being badgered. While a little negative bantering is tolerable, some jump at the chance to engage in personal assaults and do so frequently. I agree about the damage caused by this type of behavior.

There has to be a way for the moderators to determine who goes too far without over moderation. Perhaps a solution would be to record the number of flags given over a period of time, by how many different people, and over a set number of postings and use that to determine who is abusing the system. Once that number is reached, ban that person for a period of time. If they come back and continue to act the same way, ban them again for a longer period. The third time, ban them for life.

I'm just saying...

[Hyfi]

That sounds like a very good idea. I think many of us step outside the bounds of reasonable discourse from time to time, and many times in response to being badgered. While a little negative bantering is tolerable, some jump at the chance to engage in personal assaults and do so frequently. I agree about the damage caused by this type of behavior.

There has to be a way for the moderators to determine who goes too far without over moderation. Perhaps a solution would be to record the number of flags given over a period of time, by how many different people, and over a set number of postings and use that to determine who is abusing the system. Once that number is reached, ban that person for a period of time. If they come back and continue to act the same way, ban them again for a longer period. The third time, ban them for life.

I'm just saying...

Steve, I am guilty at times but some people take every chance they can. Below is just a quick sampling of recent respectful posting.

Give it up man. Go find a hobby, go walk the dog, go get a facelift or something. I don't care what you think, I never have, and I never will.
When will you hard heads realize this?

Just go away already....sheesh!

It is amusing that you are as stupid as you are........

And you wonder why your stupid azz gets cussed out. Look A-hole, furl that empty head up and stuff it up your bum. As brainless are you are, that is the best use for it.


If there is any way to stuff your head up your own bum, do it. Don't lecture me fool

What difference does it make stupid, it was her performance in the first place. She did sing the song on the recording that she lip sync'd to. Does that fact escape your air head?

No simpleton, that is not true at all.

And apparently trying not to be a airhead for any amount of time is impossible for ya

Man, comparing a Sony television to a Vizio and concluding the Sony is better must have been exhausting.

It would take your stupid ass to come up with this bull$hit.

Great, now go screw yourself....

The coward I invision you are runs faster.

Good...then go screw yourself......

And here is my demonstation of how I lost respect for you. Go screw yourself......

Mr. Don't know what he is talking about also stikes again.

Excuse me fool, but

It is interesting that stupid $hit has the same first letters as your moniker.

You should have listened to your mother before it costs you a friend. In the future, I will be sure to disrespect your beliefs as profoundly as you have disrespected mine.

You are showing yourself to be a narrow minded judgemental prick.

RG=Regurgitated
A=out of the A$$
This is what I think of this illogical twisted pile of BS.

See a pattern here?

[noddin0ff]

To attempt some fairness, Sir T has far more helpful informative and positive posts in the forums than bad. I really am a fan of his posts, I'm not just making that up. And, there's a fair amount of baiting going on since I think most of us rather enjoy a good tussle.

I just think we, as a group, probably need to tighten up our standards of discourse a bit or lose what little readership we have left.

[dean_martin]

Sir T, welcome to your intervention. It's only because we love and care about you.


(Internal dialogue with mischievous self: "Hmmm . . . post or delete? Don't get involved. Is this baiting? Go ahead, it's funny".)

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Steve, I am guilty at times but some people take every chance they can. Below is just a quick sampling of recent respectful posting.


See a pattern here?

This is a deceitful and deceptive pile of $hit. What about the comments that initiated those responses? This is cowardly and weak, and why I don't like you. You cherry pick my responses without posting yours that preceded these - in an attempt to use slight of hand techniques. You are attempting to paint a picture that is narrowly focused, and completely without context. Give it up, it ain't working.

What, do you think I am as stupid as you are? Don't play me man. I didn't just bounce off a wagon and into your backyard 10 minutes ago. Your passive/aggressive, victim like posturing is as transparent as Caspar the Friendly Ghost.


I see a pattern alright. You bait me, and then you get cussed out - that is what happens. I just do not come out of the clear blue sky and start firing away. You stupidly do this every time, and then complain about the result.

Anyone with half a brain would figure out that if you did not bait, you won't get cussed out. Hell, my dogs know that if they walk loose leash, they get a treat. If they misbehave, there will be a consequence. Why are you not smart enough to figure this out?

Wait, I already know. No need to answer the question.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

To attempt some fairness, Sir T has far more helpful informative and positive posts in the forums than bad. I really am a fan of his posts, I'm not just making that up. And, there's a fair amount of baiting going on since I think most of us rather enjoy a good tussle.

I just think we, as a group, probably need to tighten up our standards of discourse a bit or lose what little readership we have left.

Noddin,
The reason this whole pile of crap came UP the toilet, is because there was a whole lot of confusion about Beyonce performance, and there still is.

Yes, we heard a pre-recorded performance. However, there were people close to the podium (Angela Basset) who could hear her voice softly and stated so. When you lip sync, that is what you do, you sing very softly, and let the pre-record carry the load. You can see her neck strain like a singer does when singing, it is just they had the microphone off.

So if the question is did she sing, the answer would be yes. Was the microphone on? No it was not, the pre-recorded track is what the audience heard. So your comments about admitting I am wrong would be silly because technically I was not - she was singing, it was just not what WE were hearing.

You are taking a black and white approach, when there are a ton of grey shades in between.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Sir T, welcome to your intervention. It's only because we love and care about you.


(Internal dialogue with mischievous self: "Hmmm . . . post or delete? Don't get involved. Is this baiting? Go ahead, it's funny".)

If this is an intervention, don't film it - it would never make it to air. It is really more of a behavior shaping exercise that is a fail.

You can't change people, you just have to accept what you have. I have had to do it, and so will every one else.

[StevenSurprenant]

To attempt some fairness, Sir T has far more helpful informative and positive posts in the forums than bad.

I just think we, as a group, probably need to tighten up our standards of discourse a bit or lose what little readership we have left.

Good posts or not, if no one is here to read them then what's the point?

Perhaps everyone that's unhappy with the situation needs to just stop posting for a while and see what happens. On one hand, nothing might change, on the other hand the board dies down to a murmur. If there aren't any new posts being made, new membership might stop and the board might shut down, just keep that in mind.

Today, I notice that there are 77 members and 10040 guests. That's not bad at all, but if only a few members are posting then the post are going to go out of date very quickly. Lately, how often have we seen threads brought back that are years old?

My take on this is that when a persons actions damage the reputation of a business, the business might have to close their doors. This is no different.

The last time I left the board was during the wire wars. A person couldn't say anything without getting jumped on. It was a waste of time to come here and I left for many years.

I'm not telling anyone what to do. All I have done is presented a couple of alternatives to the bad behavior problem.

[dean_martin]

If this is an intervention, don't film it - it would never make it to air. It is really more of a behavior shaping exercise that is a fail.

You can't change people, you just have to accept what you have. I have had to do it, and so will every one else.

Yes, it was pretty lame.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

One thing you notice about the change of the direction of this thread, is some of the very people that complain about somebody else's behavior, are guilty of shady baiting behavior themselves. Deflection is a pretty powerful tool if you know who to use it on. There is a phenomena called action and reaction, and it is on exhibition right here. The ones that are creating the action, are complaining about the reaction. You two may be fooling some folks, but you are not fooling me one bit.

I just love how folks like the high road while doing low road things. How they like to point to somebody else, when their comments start the problem in the first place. How they want to appear above it all, when their actions start the negative reactions.

Your hypocrisy is pretty staggering Hyfi and Steve.

Call the dog in.....the hunt is over.....the hounds have lost the scent, and the trail has gone cold.

[Hyfi]

One thing you notice about the change of the direction of this thread, is some of the very people that complain about somebody else's behavior, are guilty of shady baiting behavior themselves. Deflection is a pretty powerful tool if you know who to use it on. There is a phenomena called action and reaction, and it is on exhibition right here. The ones that are creating the action, are complaining about the reaction. You two may be fooling some folks, but you are not fooling me one bit.

I just love how folks like the high road while doing low road things. How they like to point to somebody else, when their comments start the problem in the first place. How they want to appear above it all, when their actions start the negative reactions.

Your hypocrisy is pretty staggering Hyfi and Steve.

Call the dog in.....the hunt is over.....the hounds have lost the scent, and the trail has gone cold.

Oh, the hunt is far from over. You always talk about deflection, the high road, bla bla bla

You asked above if I think you are as stupid as me. Well actually a bit more I would say. Maybe you have not yet figured out that my "baiting" which has never contained name calling and trash talk, is merely to bring out the real you. A "Trash Talkin from Da Hood Cyber Bully".

Many of the quotes above of yours were not just to me. That is how you treat every thread where there is a disagreement, argument, or otherwise. You CANNOT complete a thread or make your point without calling people names, telling them to perform impossible sex acts and flat out cyber bullying.

Also, NONE of the preceding comments of mine that they were a response to called you names or told you to go F yourself. I don't talk like that in public, and I don't talk that on line when anonymous. You on the other hand are that guy!

Now lets talk about deflection and stupidity again. This whole thring was started with an ABSOLUTE statement of yours.

""I finally watched and listened to the performance for the first time, and there is no way she is lip sync'ing.""

You were WRONG. But, since I pointed that out, you have gone on with deflection after another as to why you really were not wrong. Duh, everyone who lip sync does it to their own voice. They also practice it and many do it well. It took years to out Millie Vanillie right. They were professionals at faking it.

So instead of having the pea sized balls that half a man would need to just admit they were wrong and move on, you try to change the subject.

So now go back and do a quick search on anyone else here and you will not find the same trash but for a mere few threads from anyone since Dusty and YECH went at it back in the day.

Go back and review all your respones and show me where I did the same to you or anyone else. Show me where any current member of this place does the same over and over.

You have many choices on how to respond to a post you don't like or feel it is baiting you. You could ignore it, you could respond with a clever civil tongue, you could man up and admit when your wrong.....but you always choose to trash talk, name call, and cyber bully because that is who you are. Man up and deal with it. We all have to.

[Hyfi]

To attempt some fairness, Sir T has far more helpful informative and positive posts in the forums than bad. I really am a fan of his posts, I'm not just making that up. And, there's a fair amount of baiting going on since I think most of us rather enjoy a good tussle.

I just think we, as a group, probably need to tighten up our standards of discourse a bit or lose what little readership we have left.

One of that last times we took this ride, I also said something similar. I have said that I have learned many a thing. But giving good information from time to time does not give anyone a free pass to trash talk every time he feels like it. A civilly posted bait, deserves a civil witty response like most adults can come up with.

The standards that you speak of are exactly what I will continue to point out. Trash Talking and Cyber Bullying.

Flag the posts, call the Mods...whatever you need to do. They really don't care or they would have stepped in a long time ago and just put a simple stop to it. There is no reason to allow a single member to do what T does at every chance he gets. You don't see anyone else doing it do you?

There is no reason why adults cannot keep a civil tongue, baited or otherwise. It's just how most adults behave.

[StevenSurprenant]

Flag the posts, call the Mods...whatever you need to do. They really don't care or they would have stepped in a long time ago and just put a simple stop to it. There is no reason to allow a single member to do what T does at every chance he gets. You don't see anyone else doing it do you?

I believe that you just hit the nail on the head...However, I know ForeverAutumn doesn't like this sort of thing. She stepped in when Mr. Terrible and I were going at it in one of her threads. That whole fiasco with T was the first time I ever ran into him and the stupidest thing I ever experienced. That's when I realized that T had really serious mental problems. That's also why reasoning when him is a waste of time. Back then I called him psychotic which is a general term that covers a great many mental aberrations. More specifically, he shows signs of paranoia, pathological narcissism, possible schizophrenia, and low self esteem. If you've been following the blogs, you'll know that he alluded to the idea that he deserved respect and if you didn't give it to him, he would make you pay. He does this with personal insults, sounding more like a 2 year old throwing a tantrum rather than the actions of an intelligent person. His attempts to emotionally hurt others has some degree of effect, hence the posts we are presently engaged in now. When he lacks the ability to use reason to make his point, he attacks, his tool of choice is defamation. I should point out that his narcissistic nature has him believing that only he knows what's true and what isn't. If you go along with him, then everything is fine, but question or disagree and he can't handle it. I will agree that some of his more lucid posts are interesting, but hardly earth shattering. The information he presents can be found all over the net, with some people who agree and some who don't. The fact is that his area of expertise is limited to the mixing console and recording studio. Much of what he says may be technically correct, but translates poorly to the home environment. He thinks that Hyfi and I are using “deflection”” to trap him, which is another manifestation of his delusions. The fact is that I am being very direct with my words, I'm just not talking to him (a waste of my time). T doesn't seem to understand that duplicity is the name of his game, not ours, but for his sake, and just this once, I'll address him directly...T, I know you won't understand, but your presence here on this board, while at times can add to the substance of audio, in the end, your innate drive to dictate and not listen, to demean and not tolerate, and total lack of social etiquette is causing great harm to this board. It's always about you, the people here don't matter to you, the reputation of this web site is of little consequence. What you add to this forum cannot undo the damage you create in your wake. Have I made myself perfectly clear?

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Oh, the hunt is far from over. You always talk about deflection, the high road, bla bla bla

You asked above if I think you are as stupid as me. Well actually a bit more I would say. Maybe you have not yet figured out that my "baiting" which has never contained name calling and trash talk, is merely to bring out the real you. A "Trash Talkin from Da Hood Cyber Bully".

Many of the quotes above of yours were not just to me. That is how you treat every thread where there is a disagreement, argument, or otherwise. You CANNOT complete a thread or make your point without calling people names, telling them to perform impossible sex acts and flat out cyber bullying.

Also, NONE of the preceding comments of mine that they were a response to called you names or told you to go F yourself. I don't talk like that in public, and I don't talk that on line when anonymous. You on the other hand are that guy!

Now lets talk about deflection and stupidity again. This whole thring was started with an ABSOLUTE statement of yours.

""I finally watched and listened to the performance for the first time, and there is no way she is lip sync'ing.""

You were WRONG. But, since I pointed that out, you have gone on with deflection after another as to why you really were not wrong. Duh, everyone who lip sync does it to their own voice. They also practice it and many do it well. It took years to out Millie Vanillie right. They were professionals at faking it.

So instead of having the pea sized balls that half a man would need to just admit they were wrong and move on, you try to change the subject.

So now go back and do a quick search on anyone else here and you will not find the same trash but for a mere few threads from anyone since Dusty and YECH went at it back in the day.

Go back and review all your respones and show me where I did the same to you or anyone else. Show me where any current member of this place does the same over and over.

You have many choices on how to respond to a post you don't like or feel it is baiting you. You could ignore it, you could respond with a clever civil tongue, you could man up and admit when your wrong.....but you always choose to trash talk, name call, and cyber bully because that is who you are. Man up and deal with it. We all have to.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL......WAHAHAHAHAHA.....this is just dripping with desperation. And it is best reflected by the racial overtones of this particular statement

Maybe you have not yet figured out that my "baiting" which has never contained name calling and trash talk, is merely to bring out the real you. A "Trash Talkin from Da Hood Cyber Bully".

To which I respond that you are nothing more than a pink fingered peckerwood pussy with a passive/aggressive inferiority complex.

Thank you for confessing that you were baiting. It kinda takes the air out of all your wining and complaining.

Once again, no baiting, no negative response. No action, no reaction. Get it?

[Hyfi]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL......WAHAHAHAHAHA.....this is just dripping with desperation. And it is best reflected by the racial overtones of this particular statement

Maybe you have not yet figured out that my "baiting" which has never contained name calling and trash talk, is merely to bring out the real you. A "Trash Talkin from Da Hood Cyber Bully".

To which I respond that you are nothing more than a pink fingered peckerwood pussy with a passive/aggressive inferiority complex.

Thank you for confessing that you were baiting. It kinda takes the air out of all your wining and complaining.

Once again, no baiting, no negative response. No action, no reaction. Get it?

Where is the racial crap you're crying about now? The statement is true and has nothing to do with your race, whatever it is because I really don't know.

And once again, baiting or otherwise, your need to trash talk as opposed to being an adult is what is the issue in all of this. And as you have begun to notice, I am not alone. Although most don't like to get involved, I have received PMs and emails and Rep Points from many folks here for pointing out just who and what you are. A Trash Takin Cyber Bully who cannot articulate his responses without name calling and belittling.

And since I had to confess to the obvious, once again I will have to say Yes, I really do think you are more stupid than I. Pretty much everyone else knew what was going on but you are so tightly wound and stuck on yourself I had to tell you.

Each and every reply here just keeps proving my point and until I get banned for continuing to point it out it won't stop.

Now be a man and just say "I was wrong, she really did Lip Sync and she fooled me along with millions of others:" Is that so hard or do you need to continue to deflect again as to why you were not wrong? You just cannot ever admit you were wrong whether you watched and listened or read about it. Wrong is wrong no matter how you deflect it and twist everything around.

And until you can learn to cleverly respond without your normal trash talk and name calling, it will continue to get pointed out.

And now that I really know, don't try pulling the race card here. It has nothing to do with anything except your desperate attempts to make yourself out to be something you are not while trying to make others smaller.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

T, I know you won't understand, but your presence here on this board, while at times can add to the substance of audio, in the end, your innate drive to dictate and not listen, to demean and not tolerate, and total lack of social etiquette is causing great harm to this board. It's always about you, the people here don't matter to you, the reputation of this web site is of little consequence. What you add to this forum cannot undo the damage you create in your wake. Have I made myself perfectly clear?

Yes, you have made it perfectly clear that you are self righteous, judgmental, and unwilling to accept people as they are. It is perfectly clear that you cannot see how YOUR actions can instigate a negative reaction. You spend all of these words trying to demean me, and then expect me to listen to anything you have to say. That is not so bright, but par for the course for you.

I have said this to you before, and I will repeat it again. Your online psychology is pitiful and pathetic. You don't know me from Adam's house cat. If you think you know me by what I post here, then you are a fool.

Steve, you have contributed ZERO technical information here, and your opinions and so called experience isn't worth jack crap. Deflection is the only thing you have really brought to the table. I just love the old "the dialog it too low, and the effects are too high, so it must be the mix cause it sure isn't my perfect system". "You sound mixers need to do your job better, cause your mixes are terrible". When the real problem it turns out is your POS system that is not properly calibrated, and sitting in a room with piss poor acoustics. Or how about the other one. "My center channel is localizing so I'll just add another center channel above my screen". Well that will work just fine if you are laying on the floor or the ceiling, but it won't improve jack at the listening position. You are just angry that I use science, reseach, and testing to deflate your so called "experience".

This trip you are taking on the high road is the epitome of hypocrisy. You are a coward that throws rocks, and then play victim just like Hyfi does. Watching you two flail is amusing, and reminds that I am looking at Stu and Pid at work. Your trip on the high road is false and fake, not to mention transparent. Blaming me for the problems of this website is positively stupid. No one person can destroy a website, it takes many of which you are a part of. That is deflection on steroids - look at somebody else's actions, don't look at mine. You cannot be a victim and a perpetrator at the same time. You lecture me about my actions, but have you ever evaluated your own? No you haven't as you are so busy pointing elsewhere.

The best way to handle the issues of this website is to pay attention to the things you say, and stop telling other people how to act and what to say. If you don't bait people by insulting their intelligence, then there is no repercussions. Nothing begats nothing. You cannot change anyone, and that is not your role here. Everyone here(well except you and Hyfi) has a distinct personality, and you have to accept that PERIOD. If you cannot then really it is too damn bad. Some people are candy coaters, and some people are just plain direct and to the point. You need to get out of the tea toting pinkie up country club mindset you have invented in your head and get out in the real world.

These are my last words to you. I don't care about YOU, its your words you post here that I am interested in. There are people here I do care about deeply(Worf, FA, Woochifer and many others), and we have never had a tiff EVER. If I go over the top, they check me privately. I respect what these folks have to say to me. You on the other hand mean absolutely nothing to me, and because of your piss poor delivery, and your judgmental attitude, I cannot, and do not respect anything you have to say. If that is okay with you, keep doing exactly what you are doing now, and nothing will change. But the BS angle you are trying to paint by trying to sell the fact that I just attack unprovoked is a pile, and it does not fly. Give that up and move on to something else.

If you don't like what I say, steer clear of me. Hyfi is too stupid to follow this wise advice, prove that you are smarter than that fool.

[Hyfi]

Nobody here cares who T respects or doesn't. His respect means absolutely nothing and he proves continuously why he does not deserve any.

He can't even take the advice he just posted for himself. Accept people for who they are and if you don't like what is said, stay clear.

If he does not like that I baited him, he himself could take his so called high road and just ignore me. But he just can't do that and has a deep need to trash talk to make himself feel better.

I'm not staying clear of anything, certainly not an abusive trash takin cyber bully. The mods have already said they are fine with how he talks to others here so it will remain an unending drama for now.

[StevenSurprenant]

I betcha that T would back down in a heart beat if he had to face any one of us in the flesh. I suspect that he is giant on the net and a wimp in real life. BTW, have you noticed the times of day he posts? I don't think he has a job. If he does, he doesn't do much there.

I have to tell you that his attacks don't bother me much any more, but his stupidity does. He actually thinks that I care what he says.

[Hyfi]

I betcha that T would back down in a heart beat if he had to face any one of us in the flesh. I suspect that he is giant on the net and a wimp in real life. BTW, have you noticed the times of day he posts? I don't think he has a job. If he does, he doesn't do much there.

I have to tell you that his attacks don't bother me much any more, but his stupidity does. He actually thinks that I care what he says.

I call it "Little Man Syndrome"

If I was bothered, I would have faded away. But talk is cheap and he has lots of it.

I am far from a violent person but if spoken to in person the way he talks here, one would be having surgery to remove the bridge of their nose from their pea sized brain.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

OMG!!! This intervention is a complete and utter failure! It's time to get real, y'all.

Thank you. Now on to this...

First, only you, Sir T, would come to the aid of Beyonce on this forum as if she was your personal friend. Nobody here criticized her. Maybe this is a big deal with your Hollywood circle of friends and the media, but it didn't seem to be a big deal here until you began your frustrated post.

Dean are you saying that I cannot come to the off topic section and tell what is on my mind just like everyone else here does?

And then, OMG, your frustrated post! Wow! You hold yourself out as some sort of professional singer/recording artist and list all the reasons why YOU would lip-synch. Ok, maybe you know what you're talking about instead of talking down to the rest of us non-Hollywood rubes.

I am sorry you interpreted my post as talkin down to you. I really can't anything about the way you interpret what I post. That ball is in your court. I didn't list any reason why I would lip sync, I mention the reason that singers do it PERIOD.

Let's see if Sir T knows wtf he's talking about. I ask you to post a link to one of your recordings. Nothing, nada, except excuses.

I did say that I WAS a professional BACKGROUND singer which means I am not the artist in the spotlight. When I did that job(back in college) I just did the job. I never thought to record anything because there was no reason to - youtube didn't even exist back then. You know a whole world existed before youtube right?

Then, after complaining about all the complaints about Beyonce, you finally examine the video yourself and based on your own "expertise" you determine that Beyonce did not in fact lip-synch.

It wasn't my expertise that led me to that determination. It was comments by the people that attended the ceremony as well. There were comments from folks(specifically from Angela Bassett) that were near her that heard her singing very softly to the track even though the microphone was off. You can see on the video the movement of her neck shows that she is indeed singing. You can't mime that affect. Hence why you have the confusion in the first place. Some folks heard her singing softly, but where unaware the microphone was off.

Next, official reports come from the White House saying that Beyonce did in fact lip-synch. Well, now, what do you do? You change the definition of lip-synch and declare that you were right all along.
WTF, man?!?!?

I didn't change anything. People heard her singing softly, and that is a fact. So she was in fact singing. Her microphone was off, that is a fact. So her singing was not picked up, and that was intentional. If I hadn't heard anyone say they heard her voice, and I didn't see her neck moving like she was actually singing, then I would in fact come back here and say I was wrong she was miming. This is not reinventing the meaning of lip sync'ing at all Dean. So the fact that some heard her singing softly but the microphone was off makes me wrong? I don't think so. There is a difference between singing with the microphone off, and doing no singing at all. One is miming, the other is trading a live vocal performance for a track. In this case it was the latter.

This video illustrates exactly what I mean.

Audio recording suggests Beyonce was singing anthem - Entertainment - Video - 3 News

Notice how the vocal coach states she thinks Beyonce was singing, but singing to a track. What was not mentioned, was the microphone was totally off. That revelation came later.

This is all I am saying here. Some things are clear and simple, others much more complex. Do you agree?

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

I call it "Little Man Syndrome"

If I was bothered, I would have faded away. But talk is cheap and he has lots of it.

I am far from a violent person but if spoken to in person the way he talks here, one would be having surgery to remove the bridge of their nose from their pea sized brain.

Well big man, you are right talk is cheap. It is easy to say this while sitting behind a keyboard. Things get much more complicated face to face, you would actually have to back this up.

I think you are a pussy, and can't back it up.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

I betcha that T would back down in a heart beat if he had to face any one of us in the flesh.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Another big man here. If it makes you feel better to think this, feel better. Reality is much more sobering and unsettling.

I suspect that he is giant on the net and a wimp in real life.

Wow!! I think they same thing about you...except the giant on the net part.

BTW, have you noticed the times of day he posts? I don't think he has a job. If he does, he doesn't do much there.

Don't think, it makes you look stupid.

I don't think you know enough about my private life to come to this determination. Remember, you are here as well, and the same can be said of you.

I have to tell you that his attacks don't bother me much any more, but his stupidity does. He actually thinks that I care what he says.

Your stupidity does not bother me at all. To correct you, I don't care if you don't care about what I say. When I say I don't give a damn about you, I mean that.

See how wrong a fool can be....you are 0 for 3 here. That's a pretty bad batting record by any measure.

[StevenSurprenant]

You care enough about me to respond even when I'm not speaking to you.

Tell me all about yourself. What do you really do for a living and where do you do it? Are you tall or short. Are you gay? Why do you act the way you do when you are here? Is something missing from your life? Why did your wife leave you? I have so many questions for you.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

You care enough about me to respond even when I'm not speaking to you.

Last time I checked, you do the same.

Tell me all about yourself. What do you really do for a living and where do you do it? Are you tall or short. Are you gay? Why do you act the way you do when you are here? Is something missing from your life? Why did your wife leave you? I have so many questions for you.

My answer....mind your own damn business.

[dean_martin]

Thank you. Now on to this...



Dean are you saying that I cannot come to the off topic section and tell what is on my mind just like everyone else here does?



I am sorry you interpreted my post as talkin down to you. I really can't anything about the way you interpret what I post. That ball is in your court. I didn't list any reason why I would lip sync, I mention the reason that singers do it PERIOD.



I did say that I WAS a professional BACKGROUND singer which means I am not the artist in the spotlight. When I did that job(back in college) I just did the job. I never thought to record anything because there was no reason to - youtube didn't even exist back then. You know a whole world existed before youtube right?



It wasn't my expertise that led me to that determination. It was comments by the people that attended the ceremony as well. There were comments from folks(specifically from Angela Bassett) that were near her that heard her singing very softly to the track even though the microphone was off. You can see on the video the movement of her neck shows that she is indeed singing. You can't mime that affect. Hence why you have the confusion in the first place. Some folks heard her singing softly, but where unaware the microphone was off.



I didn't change anything. People heard her singing softly, and that is a fact. So she was in fact singing. Her microphone was off, that is a fact. So her singing was not picked up, and that was intentional. If I hadn't heard anyone say they heard her voice, and I didn't see her neck moving like she was actually singing, then I would in fact come back here and say I was wrong she was miming. This is not reinventing the meaning of lip sync'ing at all Dean. So the fact that some heard her singing softly but the microphone was off makes me wrong? I don't think so. There is a difference between singing with the microphone off, and doing no singing at all. One is miming, the other is trading a live vocal performance for a track. In this case it was the latter.

This video illustrates exactly what I mean.

Audio recording suggests Beyonce was singing anthem - Entertainment - Video - 3 News

Notice how the vocal coach states she thinks Beyonce was singing, but singing to a track. What was not mentioned, was the microphone was totally off. That revelation came later.

This is all I am saying here. Some things are clear and simple, others much more complex. Do you agree?

I deleted my post. I thought it was gone before anyone could respond. I realized we come from different "places" and have different backgrounds and experiences, although we do have some things in common. I may think whether Beyonce lip-synched is trivial, but I recognize that others may be interested in this subject. I think my post reflected my attitude toward the subject. Really, I was more interested in your experience in musical performance than what Beyonce did or didn't do, but that wasn't the thread topic.

Plus, my therapist advised not to engage in confrontation outside of work.