JFK Assassination

[Bernd]

Oswald was in Russia just a year before, he evencontacted the KGB himself, although the story goes that the KGB turned him down.

The real problem is that if he was a KGB agent, then this would have called for WWWIII as a retaliatoryresponse. Of course this was, and is unacceptable so the FBI contacted the Mafia to hire Ruby to kill Oswald. This whole thing makes a lot more sense than a lot of the other conspiracy theories I've heard, but it's never talked about as if it's true, we still owe the russians a nuke blast or three.

I think Oswald was not agent material as the CIA found out. They kept a file on him and had him as some maverick element. Ed Lopez from the HSCA testified to that effect.
But him being involved with the KGB I wouldn't discount at all.
And Ruby was definitly let in to the Police headquaters to cary out his task.

Just as a pointer. When the wall in Berlin came down they sealed off the Stasi (Secret east german police) Headquarter and later on going through their files the german authorities found a file on every west-european. Makes you think does it not.

Peace

Bernd

[GMichael]

Oswald could have easily been the 60's version of a suicide bomber.

[Geoffcin]

I think Oswald was not agent material as the CIA found out. They kept a file on him and had him as some maverick element. Ed Lopez from the HSCA testified to that effect.
But him being involved with the KGB I wouldn't discount at all.
And Ruby was definitly let in to the Police headquaters to cary out his task.

Peace

Bernd

Cause he was pretty nuts. But the KGB said the same thing at the time, and I don't believe anything they say. As a rouge operative that can't be traced back to them it's too good to be true to turn down.

Remember Oswald had every intention of getting away with this, and he damn near did too. If he had gotten out of Texas he would have made a beeline for Russia with his Russian bride.

[Bernd]

Cause he was pretty nuts. But the KGB said the same thing at the time, and I don't believe anything they say. As a rouge operative that can't be traced back to them it's too good to be true to turn down.

Remember Oswald had every intention of getting away with this, and he damn near did too. If he had gotten out of Texas he would have made a beeline for Russia with his Russian bride.

I don't think he expected to see Marina again as he left his wedding ring behind at Ruth Paine's house, where Marina stayed, ( that of course is no proof of his intention to kill the president-just that the relationship was over).
It is just the most amazing murder story in recent history if not ever.
I don't think we will ever know for sure. I go shooting and have a bespoke rifle and I find it impossible to let off three rounds acuratley in the time frame allocated for the Dallas shooting (maybe I am not as good as Lee). You certainly can not do that with a $ 19.- Mail order rifle.

Bernd

[Geoffcin]

I don't think he expected to see Marina again as he left his wedding ring behind at Ruth Paine's house, where Marina stayed, ( that of course is no proof of his intention to kill the president-just that the relationship was over).
It is just the most amazing murder story in recent history if not ever.
I don't think we will ever know for sure. I go shooting and have a bespoke rifle and I find it impossible to let off three rounds acuratley in the time frame allocated for the Dallas shooting (maybe I am not as good as Lee). You certainly can not do that with a $ 19.- Mail order rifle.

Bernd

Remember the guy was nuts, but not so nuts that he thought he was going to get away with it for sure. Leaving the ring behind was a way to let Marina off the hook. It worked didn't it?

Training is the key to anything. I've seen a guy toss two skeet into the air and peg them both with a Colt 1911. Even though I hold an expert marksman rating, If I tried to do that without practice it would be impossible. I don't even think I could get one! I saw the same guy peg an 8" balloon at 150 yards with the same .45 caliber handgun. Took him two shots, but the first one was just a ranging shot to measure the slug's drop. As good as he is, he's not beyond what any other marksman can do given the proper training.

No, hitting a target from a strategic sniping location not only possible, but very likely. Especially with the proper training.

[GMichael]

Remember the guy was nuts, but not so nuts that he thought he was going to get away with it for sure. Leaving the ring behind was a way to let Marina off the hook. It worked didn't it?

Training is the key to anything. I've seen a guy toss two skeet into the air and peg them both with a Colt 1911. Even though I hold an expert marksman rating, If I tried to do that without practice it would be impossible. I don't even think I could get one! I saw the same guy peg an 8" balloon at 150 yards with the same .45 caliber handgun. Took him two shots, but the first one was just a ranging shot to measure the slug's drop. As good as he is, he's not beyond what any other marksman can do given the proper training.

No, hitting a target from a strategic sniping location not only possible, but very likely. Especially with the proper training.

I'm no gun or shooting expert although I have shot a few and get most in the center ring. I do have experience with billiards & pool. I know a guy who can throw a ball onto a table, and while it's still bouncing shoot it into a pocket. He can manage this 9 out of 10 tries. It's amazing what some people can do with enough practice.

[Bernd]

Remember the guy was nuts, but not so nuts that he thought he was going to get away with it for sure. Leaving the ring behind was a way to let Marina off the hook. It worked didn't it?

Training is the key to anything. I've seen a guy toss two skeet into the air and peg them both with a Colt 1911. Even though I hold an expert marksman rating, If I tried to do that without practice it would be impossible. I don't even think I could get one! I saw the same guy peg an 8" balloon at 150 yards with the same .45 caliber handgun. Took him two shots, but the first one was just a ranging shot to measure the slug's drop. As good as he is, he's not beyond what any other marksman can do given the proper training.

No, hitting a target from a strategic sniping location not only possible, but very likely. Especially with the proper training.

It's great is it not to see a great marksmen at work.
But what I was saying is that I doubt that Oswald (who wasn't an expert shot) could have, with a $19.- mailorder bolt action rifle, have let the shots off in the time specified by the Warren commission. Moreover there is no hard evidence that he was even there. I have not heard of any marksmen who has repeated that at a moving target and hit it.If there is one please let me know, it would love to put that doubt to bed.
And of course three shots will have to include the magic bullet. Emerging pristine after breaking a dense bone, a rib, etc. Something else I have never seen.

Bernd

[trollgirl]

I really really doubt that Oswald could have hit JFK from the sixth storey, using an inferior rifle. Nearly all shooting practice is done on a horizontal range, and the angle alone would have hopelessly thrown off his accuracy, even given that he was a crack shot, which he was not. What he was, IMO was a patsy. If you watch the film of JFK taking the bullets, it is very apparent that at least some of the shots came from the front. I have seen a diagram of all the OTHER bullets recovered from the scene, and they all originated from the sidewalk to the front left of the motorcade. Some film frames show, at that very spot, a tall man holding what could easily be a pair of pistols, but the resolution was not the best. In one such frame, a woman is standing in front of him, in a later frame, she is on the ground, apparently having caught a bullet. There is no record of her at all, but in the Warren Commission report, one of the motorcade's motorcycle cops, the one to the front left, reported blood and matter sprayed onto his motorcycle. One assassination researcher, now passed away, even supplied the man's name, a Russian ex-pat, who turned up dead during the 1972 Congressional investigation. Quite a few people became corpses during that time period...

Ask yourself: Who ordered the final, permanent sealing of the assassination records?


Laz

[wayner86]

Strange, i googled the first sentence in this guys thread and found it on 20 other forums, ...seems to be the same with all of his posts...good topic though, nonetheless.