Looks like Plasma still beats LCD

[3db]

Here's a link that did a comparison of Plasma vs LCD..

http://www.displaymate.com/LCD_Plasma_ShootOut.htm

[zepman1]

Imagine that. Notice what is used as a reference display? CRT, but this would be obvious to MOST people I think.

[GMichael]

How long till the Pixy bomb blows?

[3db]

Originally Posted by zepman1

Imagine that. Notice what is used as a reference display? CRT, but this would be obvious to MOST people I think.

Your sarcasm is NOT appreciated.

[zepman1]

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying, and the comments are not directed at you anyhow. The CRT reference is with respect to a previous discussion. Anyhow, its an interesting article.

[3db]

Originally Posted by zepman1

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying, and the comments are not directed at you anyhow. The CRT reference is with respect to a previous discussion. Anyhow, its an interesting article.

No worries then. All is good.

[N. Abstentia]

I guess that's why all the manufacturers are abandoning plasma?

[3db]

Originally Posted by N. Abstentia

I guess that's why all the manufacturers are abandoning plasma?

Thats not a good arguement as can be demonstrated by the VHS format beating out the beta format which was clearly far superior over VHS.

[Worf101]

Originally Posted by GMichael

How long till the Pixy bomb blows?

(Worf grabs helmet and flak vest)
When he reads this he'll go flat out noooklearrr!!!!
(Worf adjusts goggles and radiations suit)
I'm quite surprised he hasn't shown up already...

Da "Waiting for the bomb to drop" Worfster

[N. Abstentia]

Originally Posted by 3db

Thats not a good arguement as can be demonstrated by the VHS format beating out the beta format which was clearly far superior over VHS.

Obviously not.

[GMichael]

Originally Posted by N. Abstentia

Obviously not.

Your avatar is confusing me. Are you N. Abstentia or Nightflier?

[N. Abstentia]

Did Nightflier steal my avatar???? THIEF!

[nightflier]

No I didn't!

...and don't mess with Clint, either.

[pixelthis]

Originally Posted by 3db

Thats not a good arguement as can be demonstrated by the VHS format beating out the beta format which was clearly far superior over VHS.

VHS beat out BETA, because of Sony arrogance, mostly.
VHS had longer playing times and several other advantages, the better PQ of
Beta wasnt as much as has been reported.
Likewise LCD meets the needs of more people, and most prefer the picture,
no surprize its winning, and plasma is walking the last mile.
As for displaymate, their site is trimmed in panny blu, but I guess thats
just a co-inky-dink.

[pixelthis]

Originally Posted by N. Abstentia

I guess that's why all the manufacturers are abandoning plasma?

SHUSHHHHHH.
We don't want all of those plasma owners to get upset, now do we?
If they found out that they own a dying format, and that most think that looking
at a plasma screen is like looking into a clothes washer while its running, the poor dears
might get a tad upset.
Just let them watch their dim glossy screens, sucking their thumbs and comforted
by the glow of phosper, reminding them of days when they watched howdey
Doody while eating their corn flakes, and the world was a simpler place.
Poor dears are in such denial , we wouldnt want to cause any psychotic breaks, hum?

[GMichael]

It's about time. Let the fun begin.

[Ed_in_Tx]

Things I considered before I bought a 40" Sony LCD last year: Power consumption since my set is on 16-17 hours a day, and reliability, having noticed the almost double the cost of extended service contracts for similarly priced plasmas vs LCD sets. The extended service companies certainly notice the higher repair costs of a plasma set and that is reflected in the price of the service contracts. With the LCD backlight set to a reasonable level, 2 to 3, my 40" Sony draws less than 100 Watts. I tend to sit in front of the TV so severe off-angle viewing is of no concern, looks very good at reasonable off-angles <45° or so even to plasma owning friends.

[pixelthis]

Originally Posted by Ed_in_Tx

Things I considered before I bought a 40" Sony LCD last year: Power consumption since my set is on 16-17 hours a day, and reliability, having noticed the almost double the cost of extended service contracts for similarly priced plasmas vs LCD sets. The extended service companies certainly notice the higher repair costs of a plasma set and that is reflected in the price of the service contracts. With the LCD backlight set to a reasonable level, 2 to 3, my 40" Sony draws less than 100 Watts. I tend to sit in front of the TV so severe off-angle viewing is of no concern, looks very good at reasonable off-angles <45° or so even to plasma owning friends.

Thanks for the info about the service contracts, pretty much goes along with what I have heard.
Plasmas used to be shipped in metal cases, but this got to be a PR snafu, so now they are shipped in normal boxes, and the cost of busted sets is eaten.
So the expense of moving a plasma also figures into these service contracts.
With a backlight behind the sony, and the contrast and backlight turned down to 50% or so you will find the black level much improved, BTW.

[Woochifer]

Originally Posted by pixelthis

As for displaymate, their site is trimmed in panny blu, but I guess thats
just a co-inky-dink.

Oh, but those test shots showing the huge off-axis color shifting that occurs with LCDs use red-dominated images. So, given that it was not a blue image, the test was valid, eh?

[pixelthis]

Originally Posted by Woochifer

Oh, but those test shots showing the huge off-axis color shifting that occurs with LCDs use red-dominated images. So, given that it was not a blue image, the test was valid, eh?

The images are "red" because of the doppler effect.
But I am sure that if Panny could have found a way...

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Originally Posted by pixelthis

VHS beat out BETA, because of Sony arrogance, mostly.
VHS had longer playing times and several other advantages, the better PQ of
Beta wasnt as much as has been reported.
Likewise LCD meets the needs of more people, and most prefer the picture,
no surprize its winning, and plasma is walking the last mile.
As for displaymate, their site is trimmed in panny blu, but I guess thats
just a co-inky-dink.

Sorry pixie, but wrong again. The picture quality superiority of beta over VHS was well known. Each time VHS improved its picture quality and sound, Beta did even moreso. What killed Beta was Sony refusal to liscense its technology to other manufacturers, something that VHS did.

LCD meets peoples budget considerations, folks that look at cost more than performance. In spite of your delusion beliefs, plasma's still outperform even the best of LCD panels, though the advantage is shrinking because of Pioneers exit from the plasma market(they where the leaders and pushers of plasma technology)

I now own a top of the line 55" LCD from Sony, a Pioneer Kuros 60", a Sony CRT projector, and a custom 65" CRT based RPTV. There is no way my sony looks better than my Kuros...no way no how, and my Sony has received excellent reviews.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Originally Posted by pixelthis

The images are "red" because of the doppler effect.
But I am sure that if Panny could have found a way...

Doppler effect?? Pathetic response. They would have to be running very fast past the panels for the doppler effect to be visible at that distance. These shots are simple non moving front and side shots, so your explanation is completely wrong.

[GMichael]

Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible

Doppler effect?? Pathetic response. They would have to be running very fast past the panels for the doppler effect to be visible at that distance. These shots are simple non moving front and side shots, so your explanation is completely wrong.

You gotta admit though. That was funny.
How fast is 15% of the speed of light these days?

[Ed_in_Tx]

Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible

What killed Beta was Sony refusal to liscense its technology to other manufacturers, something that VHS did.

NEC and Sanyo were two manufacturers of Beta other than Sony. And they were not rebadged Sonys. I know, I went to the tech schools to learn how to repair them and I repaired about 1,000 VCRs a year for 25 years, about 20 or so a week (once in the heyday of the '80s I repaired as many as 35 VCRs in a week) so been there, done that. I never did like Beta much except for the marginal picture quality on the early machines due to the use of a larger head drum which gave it horizontal resolution to about 270 lines compared to VHS at about 240 lines. Neither equaled NTSC broadcast TV at 330 lines. VHS HiFi and SVHS plus the mechanical simplicity of the VHS tape transport mechanism finally did Beta in.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Originally Posted by Ed_in_Tx

NEC and Sanyo were two manufacturers of Beta other than Sony. And they were not rebadged Sonys. I know, I went to the tech schools to learn how to repair them and I repaired about 1,000 VCRs a year for 25 years, about 20 or so a week (once in the heyday of the '80s I repaired as many as 35 VCRs in a week) so been there, done that. I never did like Beta much except for the marginal picture quality on the early machines due to the use of a larger head drum which gave it horizontal resolution to about 270 lines compared to VHS at about 240 lines. Neither equaled NTSC broadcast TV at 330 lines. VHS HiFi and SVHS plus the mechanical simplicity of the VHS tape transport mechanism finally did Beta in.

So Sony had three liscencees, which still presents a problem against VHS numerous liscencees. Since NEC and Sanyo players were rebadged Sony players, you have made my point. Sony was not able to get other manufacturers to build in house designs using the companies own R and D money. something that helps drive the development of the product. VHS was able to do hence the mechanical simplicity.