Looks like Plasma still beats LCD

[3db]

Here's a link that did a comparison of Plasma vs LCD..

http://www.displaymate.com/LCD_Plasma_ShootOut.htm

[zepman1]

Imagine that. Notice what is used as a reference display? CRT, but this would be obvious to MOST people I think.

[3db]

Imagine that. Notice what is used as a reference display? CRT, but this would be obvious to MOST people I think.

Your sarcasm is NOT appreciated.

[zepman1]

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying, and the comments are not directed at you anyhow. The CRT reference is with respect to a previous discussion. Anyhow, its an interesting article.

[3db]

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying, and the comments are not directed at you anyhow. The CRT reference is with respect to a previous discussion. Anyhow, its an interesting article.

No worries then. All is good.

[GMichael]

How long till the Pixy bomb blows?

[Worf101]

How long till the Pixy bomb blows?

(Worf grabs helmet and flak vest)
When he reads this he'll go flat out noooklearrr!!!!
(Worf adjusts goggles and radiations suit)
I'm quite surprised he hasn't shown up already...

Da "Waiting for the bomb to drop" Worfster

[Brainstorm]

How long till the Pixy bomb blows?

LOL T-minis 60 and counting! LOL

[N. Abstentia]

I guess that's why all the manufacturers are abandoning plasma?

[3db]

I guess that's why all the manufacturers are abandoning plasma?

Thats not a good arguement as can be demonstrated by the VHS format beating out the beta format which was clearly far superior over VHS.

[N. Abstentia]

Thats not a good arguement as can be demonstrated by the VHS format beating out the beta format which was clearly far superior over VHS.

Obviously not.

[GMichael]

Obviously not.

Your avatar is confusing me. Are you N. Abstentia or Nightflier?

[pixelthis]

Thats not a good arguement as can be demonstrated by the VHS format beating out the beta format which was clearly far superior over VHS.

VHS beat out BETA, because of Sony arrogance, mostly.
VHS had longer playing times and several other advantages, the better PQ of
Beta wasnt as much as has been reported.
Likewise LCD meets the needs of more people, and most prefer the picture,
no surprize its winning, and plasma is walking the last mile.
As for displaymate, their site is trimmed in panny blu, but I guess thats
just a co-inky-dink.

[Woochifer]

As for displaymate, their site is trimmed in panny blu, but I guess thats
just a co-inky-dink.

Oh, but those test shots showing the huge off-axis color shifting that occurs with LCDs use red-dominated images. So, given that it was not a blue image, the test was valid, eh?

[pixelthis]

Oh, but those test shots showing the huge off-axis color shifting that occurs with LCDs use red-dominated images. So, given that it was not a blue image, the test was valid, eh?

The images are "red" because of the doppler effect.
But I am sure that if Panny could have found a way...

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

VHS beat out BETA, because of Sony arrogance, mostly.
VHS had longer playing times and several other advantages, the better PQ of
Beta wasnt as much as has been reported.
Likewise LCD meets the needs of more people, and most prefer the picture,
no surprize its winning, and plasma is walking the last mile.
As for displaymate, their site is trimmed in panny blu, but I guess thats
just a co-inky-dink.

Sorry pixie, but wrong again. The picture quality superiority of beta over VHS was well known. Each time VHS improved its picture quality and sound, Beta did even moreso. What killed Beta was Sony refusal to liscense its technology to other manufacturers, something that VHS did.

LCD meets peoples budget considerations, folks that look at cost more than performance. In spite of your delusion beliefs, plasma's still outperform even the best of LCD panels, though the advantage is shrinking because of Pioneers exit from the plasma market(they where the leaders and pushers of plasma technology)

I now own a top of the line 55" LCD from Sony, a Pioneer Kuros 60", a Sony CRT projector, and a custom 65" CRT based RPTV. There is no way my sony looks better than my Kuros...no way no how, and my Sony has received excellent reviews.

[Ed_in_Tx]

What killed Beta was Sony refusal to liscense its technology to other manufacturers, something that VHS did.

NEC and Sanyo were two manufacturers of Beta other than Sony. And they were not rebadged Sonys. I know, I went to the tech schools to learn how to repair them and I repaired about 1,000 VCRs a year for 25 years, about 20 or so a week (once in the heyday of the '80s I repaired as many as 35 VCRs in a week) so been there, done that. I never did like Beta much except for the marginal picture quality on the early machines due to the use of a larger head drum which gave it horizontal resolution to about 270 lines compared to VHS at about 240 lines. Neither equaled NTSC broadcast TV at 330 lines. VHS HiFi and SVHS plus the mechanical simplicity of the VHS tape transport mechanism finally did Beta in.

[pixelthis]

I guess that's why all the manufacturers are abandoning plasma?

SHUSHHHHHH.
We don't want all of those plasma owners to get upset, now do we?
If they found out that they own a dying format, and that most think that looking
at a plasma screen is like looking into a clothes washer while its running, the poor dears
might get a tad upset.
Just let them watch their dim glossy screens, sucking their thumbs and comforted
by the glow of phosper, reminding them of days when they watched howdey
Doody while eating their corn flakes, and the world was a simpler place.
Poor dears are in such denial , we wouldnt want to cause any psychotic breaks, hum?

[Tmankiller72]

SHUSHHHHHH.
We don't want all of those plasma owners to get upset, now do we?
If they found out that they own a dying format, and that most think that looking
at a plasma screen is like looking into a clothes washer while its running, the poor dears
might get a tad upset.
Just let them watch their dim glossy screens, sucking their thumbs and comforted
by the glow of phosper, reminding them of days when they watched howdey
Doody while eating their corn flakes, and the world was a simpler place.
Poor dears are in such denial , we wouldnt want to cause any psychotic breaks, hum?

Ummm, I own a Vizio 47 xvt LCD 1080p ..blah,blah blah ..and I also own a Panny 58" plasma that is "only" 768p ..and I hate to burst your liquid crystal but the larger and "less resolution" plasma looks ..MUCH better than the lcd. Sorry but I can do a comparison using the same Direct TV HD feed and use the same channel and use the same blu-ray demos and the plasma beats the lcd everytime. If I had the extra cash I would grab one of those truly dying breed Pioneer Elite 60" plasmas which I do believe is the display of the year for the last what 3 or 4 years on just about every review out there.

[Tmankiller72]

I guess that's why all the manufacturers are abandoning plasma?

LCD is cheaper to make due to the various screen sizes and multiple manufacturers of panels. Lets see you can make plasmas from about 42" to 65" or you can make lcd's from 5" to 65" it's an easy business decision. Plus with the led backlighting it can be labeled as much more energy efficient. ......But come on you can't tell me that the top of the line Pioneer and Panny plasmas are inferior in PQ to any lcd even the new Samsung LED lit ones. Seriously if you can't see that the Elite just crushes the lcd's you must be color blind or just technology blind.

[pixelthis]

LCD is cheaper to make due to the various screen sizes and multiple manufacturers of panels. Lets see you can make plasmas from about 42" to 65" or you can make lcd's from 5" to 65" it's an easy business decision. Plus with the led backlighting it can be labeled as much more energy efficient. ......But come on you can't tell me that the top of the line Pioneer and Panny plasmas are inferior in PQ to any lcd even the new Samsung LED lit ones. Seriously if you can't see that the Elite just crushes the lcd's you must be color blind or just technology blind.

Give me a break.
The elite is a megabuck tv, are you seriously comparing it to a thousand dollar VIZIO?
As for the LED TV sets out there , they knock the socks off of plasma, conventional
LCD, you name it.
PQ is such a personal thing, you think plasma is "better" because it is phosper
based, like the CRT that you have watched all of your life.
You think its "better" because it "looks" more like what you think a TV set should
"look" like, but that is really just your opinion..

[nightflier]

Give me a break.
The elite is a megabuck tv, are you seriously comparing it to a thousand dollar VIZIO

If there is a megabuck LCD set out there, it still would not compare to that megabuck plasma. The fact is there aren't any real picture improvements once you go up in price on the LCD side. Sure, there are lots of fancy numbers, but the picture still looks like LCD to the eye. It's sort of like comparing a fluorescent lightbulb to an incandescent one, for all its technological backwardness, the incandescent bulb is much more pleasant on the eyes. Other examples I can think of that make the same point: digital vs. analog, solid state vs. tubes, and the list goes on. No matter how much more modern, energy efficient, crisper, brighter, whatever it is, in the end we always go back to what's more pleasing.

And not to drive the silver stake in all the way, here, but on the lower end of the price range, plasma unconditionally beats LCD on picture quality. Panasonic's line of budget plasma TVs are consistently more pleasant to watch than comparably priced LCDs. Again, this is because that crisp brightness and overly sharp image you see in the store in only impressive there. Once you spend some time watching both sets, your eyes almost always gravitate back to the more relaxing, less intense picture so that you can focus on the content rather than the delivery system.

If plasma does go away because of market pressure, it will be another superior format that was killed off for the sake of a bigger profit-margin. In the end, it's the consumers who loose out.

By the way, I bought a "budget" plasma set and have not looked back. It has better picture quality than any LCD I considered, and guess what, it's not an energy hog either and beats many LCDs of the same size on energy consumption, imagine that!

[pixelthis]

If there is a megabuck LCD set out there, it still would not compare to that megabuck plasma. The fact is there aren't any real picture improvements once you go up in price on the LCD side. Sure, there are lots of fancy numbers, but the picture still looks like LCD to the eye. It's sort of like comparing a fluorescent lightbulb to an incandescent one, for all its technological backwardness, the incandescent bulb is much more pleasant on the eyes. Other examples I can think of that make the same point: digital vs. analog, solid state vs. tubes, and the list goes on. No matter how much more modern, energy efficient, crisper, brighter, whatever it is, in the end we always go back to what's more pleasing.

And not to drive the silver stake in all the way, here, but on the lower end of the price range, plasma unconditionally beats LCD on picture quality. Panasonic's line of budget plasma TVs are consistently more pleasant to watch than comparably priced LCDs. Again, this is because that crisp brightness and overly sharp image you see in the store in only impressive there. Once you spend some time watching both sets, your eyes almost always gravitate back to the more relaxing, less intense picture so that you can focus on the content rather than the delivery system.

If plasma does go away because of market pressure, it will be another superior format that was killed off for the sake of a bigger profit-margin. In the end, it's the consumers who loose out.

By the way, I bought a "budget" plasma set and have not looked back. It has better picture quality than any LCD I considered, and guess what, it's not an energy hog either and beats many LCDs of the same size on energy consumption, imagine that!

Have you seen a LCD with the new LED backlight?
Go take a look and then kick yourself in the butt.

[N. Abstentia]

Did Nightflier steal my avatar???? THIEF!

[nightflier]

No I didn't!

...and don't mess with Clint, either.