As reported by BDA & news from IFA

[L.J.]

I can't remember the last time I bought a DVD. I don't want to spend more money on a format that is not HD. So I've been waiting........... and waiting......... and waiting.
Ya know what? I'm tired of waiting. And my butt hurts from sitting on this frickin' fence. I'm getting down. Win or loose, I'll have HD. And some games to play.

I'm guilty of still buying animation on DVD. That DBZ season 3 was just calling to me

Most of my recent DVD purchases are for my kids to watch in their bedroom at night time. I average about 2 BR per month, sometimes more but it depends on what's being released. These next few months should be good with so many titles being released. I'm gonna get myself in trouble. "But honey, the Spider-man set is for the kids"

[drseid]

I'm guilty of still buying animation on DVD. That DBZ season 3 was just calling to me

Most of my recent DVD purchases are for my kids to watch in their bedroom at night time. I average about 2 BR per month, sometimes more but it depends on what's being released. These next few months should be good with so many titles being released. I'm gonna get myself in trouble. "But honey, the Spider-man set is for the kids"

Oh, I am guilty of that too... My latest purchase was the second volume of the "Air" anime series.

As for the upcoming Spidey BR releases... I am working on coming up with some excuses of my own. Definitely looking forward to those (I don't *just* buy classics like Casablanca). ;-)

---Dave

[nightflier]

History has proven that consumers and retailers alike will not support multiple formats indefinitely. The weaker format will always get relegated to niche status or disappear altogether.

Unless they both become niche and a third format takes over. SACD and DVD-A are a good example of products that, despite their technical/qualitative superiority, both became niche (at best) at a time that downloads and personal music players overtook the attention of the buying public. By the way, Sir T., I would call that a striking similarity.

If you believe that applies here, then put your money where your mouth is and invest in HD-DVD. I'll continue to sit things out.

I have my eye on an upconverting DVD player. The fact that the HD formats don't support SACD is a problem for me and I don't have the time for console games right now so the PS3 is out. If you put a gun to my head, I suppose I would buy HDDVD because I like their catalog better, but it really is a toss-up for me right now. I'm going to wait it out some more.

Considering the pains you take in trying to dispute the Nielson numbers, are you saying that anyone should trust this bunch of hypotheticals over a dataset with a 60% sample?

OK, before we go any further with this line of reasoning, what percentage of the movie market is HD? Anybody care to fill us in?

And what does Myanmar have to do with the validity of point-of-sale data collected inside of U.S. retail stores? Unless you can prove that deteriorating economic and market conditions would disproportionately affect Blu-ray more than HD-DVD, this flight of fancy analogy doesn't apply to much of anything.

No, if you read my post more carefully, I didn't say they would affect point-of-sale data collected here. What I said was that catastrophic events can have an impact this holiday season because they provide assembly facilities and parts to meet demand. Didn't everybody pretty much agree earlier in this thread that this season was crucial for both formats? Myanmar, Malaysia, and Indonesia have large manufacturing and assembly plants for western electronic goods. Even India and China outsource to those countries.

Cheering on? Hardly.

I was referring to Pixel and SirT.

From the beginning, I've said that I want one unified format, and absent a unified format, I want either HD-DVD or Blu-ray to decisively win. And with the current market structure, there simply no way for HD-DVD to accomplish that. It will take a major structural shift on the magnitude of Paramount/Dreamworks' announcement for HD-DVD to even come close to pulling even with Blu-ray in overall market share. If the market structure stays the same, Blu-ray wins or some hybrid approach will win. It's that simple.

I respect that opinion a whole lot more. It takes into consideration other factors that may have an impact. It's also a position you've taken without really having made a purchase yet - so you don't have a vested interest. You see the numbers, you figure it's 2-1 and acknowledge that things aren't going well with HDDVD, and you're careful enough to not antagonize people too much on the topic. Perhaps most importantly, as I've read in your other posts, you are a bit more humble and you don't make others feel like simpletons.

And if I may, I still think that the resilience of the HDDVD camp in light of all the negative sales figures, is reason for concern. For example, Microsoft spends millions on research into future technologies and trend forecasting. They are still in the HDDVD camp, and so I'm left wondering what do they know that we don't? We can speculate, but we really don't know. Likewise, I am confident that the problem with internet bandwidth can be addressed with a combination of software and hardware upgrades and that the industries that stand to profit from this will make it happen, sooner rather than later. I know from my own experience that on the software side there are substantial advances being developed today and these will be implemented over the next two years.

Anyhow, it is my opinion, that it's still too early to call a winner. Anyone who does, is flag-waiving because they have a vested interest.

[nightflier]

You continually say that I am getting some benefit from this, just what is this benefit?

You said it was good for your wallet. If I misunderstood that, you're welcome to explain that further.

You act like the CE manufacturers don't know how to make a backup plan.... Hmmmm... humans just don't know how to adjust.

If you would bother to read my post, I said that catastrophic events can have an impact during this holiday season. If you don't believe that, consider what would happen if our government, in it's infinite wisdom, were to bomb Iran in the next couple of months. Are you going to tell me that this act and the events that will follow will not have an impact on this industry? Let's not forget the cozy relationship that China has built with Iran and it's volatile neighbors in the last few years. We'd be pissing in their backyard.

(knocks on nightfliers noggin) Hey, they don't ship discs to the far east, the far east produces its own discs. There are disc replication plants all over the world.

And especially in those countries where our government is acting like the 800 lb gorilla.

Care to explain this you're an oddball with a creepy connection to "the industry"

Oddball - because you have enough money to flip sides between the formats if you feel like it. Most consumers don't.

Creepy connection - because your relationship to this industry is too cozy and does not allow you to see much outside of it.

...you have a creepy connection to the industry you work in...

But we're talking about the BR/HDDVD format war, and I don't have a creepy connection to that industry. Let's stay on topic here.

Oh, tweaked your nose a bit here. They do make dual format players don't they? Oh, maybe you didn't know that, which is not out of line for you.

Nose just fine - no need to claim victory points. Did you want a little gold start to go with that one, Terrence? If I remember right, the LG dual format player is being outsold by single format players in appalling numbers. Don't know about the new Samsung one, but the price point of these players is high and the market segment they are trying to appeal to, may not be there. Of course, that's just my take on it, I'm sure your industry insiders can give us some hard numbers to compare with.

Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Look, just face it, the vast majority of consumers will not buy one player for each format, it's just not going to happen, so drop it already. If you're so bent on disproving that, let's see some hard numbers to back that claim - not just your 2-3 friends who just happen to be reviewers too so they need them for their work - they are not your typical consumer. Granted, there will be people with game consoles who may have both, but what will those numbers be? Still not even close to people buying into a single format. Show me some numbers or drop it already. Put up or shut up.

I wonder if that ship full of HD DVD players ever made it to Best Buy? Did they dry them off after retrieving them from Davey jones locker? Sheesh!

Is this really the best you got? You want another gold start for that one, little Terrence?

Kex, Wooch, somebody hit the needle, the record is stuck and I cannot get my groove on.....

You need your friends to help you in the playground? 'Come on Terrence, let's see you commit to something on your own. State that if BR doesn't win this you'll come back here and say so.

'Come on, you know you want to....

Think of all the gold stars you'll get... Everyone at your feet, begging to be blessed with your wisdom.... Imagine it, and it will be so...

Sir Terrence the Terrible, the plumed little green knight that could...

[musicman1999]

Nightflier

Think of the internet as a pipeline,that cable that carries your internet is capable of handling x-amount of bandwidth.Now if your needs go up to 15 times x then you need to replace the cable,software or hardware won't do it you need to use cable capable of the bandwidth and that will be a massive, expensive undertaking.

bill

[GMichael]

Nightflier

Think of the internet as a pipeline,that cable that carries your internet is capable of handling x-amount of bandwidth.Now if your needs go up to 15 times x then you need to replace the cable,software or hardware won't do it you need to use cable capable of the bandwidth and that will be a massive, expensive undertaking.

bill

Can't you just rub pixie snott on them?

[nightflier]

Think of the internet as a pipeline,that cable that carries your internet is capable of handling x-amount of bandwidth.Now if your needs go up to 15 times x then you need to replace the cable,software or hardware won't do it you need to use cable capable of the bandwidth and that will be a massive, expensive undertaking.

Think of how much MP3 compression has improved in the last few years. Also consider that movie downloads don't need to include all the extras and that this will one day be selectable by the consumer. The point is, there is a tremendous amount of research being done to improve video compression algorithms, reduce congestion (especially at the routers and switches), simplify content and reducing bloat, improve searches (web 3.0 technologies) and aggregate downloads (reducing distances with bitorrent-type technologies). I'm more on the the software side, but I also know that much of the hardware that makes up the internet is being upgraded and that as more internet traffic is transfered to the wireless internet, that congestion on both sides will be reduced.

It certainly won't mean that you'll have 15Mb/s download speeds by x-mas, but it's on the horizon. More importantly, these advancements are being developed for SD video today, so they will also play a role in satisfying the needs of consumers who don't yet care that it's not HD (think all the iMovie owners, for example). When HD is ready to be offered for download, it will be delivered via the same medium and the consumers won't have to upgrade anything on their ends. This is key.

[bobsticks]

Nightflier

Think of the internet as a pipeline,that cable that carries your internet is capable of handling x-amount of bandwidth.Now if your needs go up to 15 times x then you need to replace the cable,software or hardware won't do it you need to use cable capable of the bandwidth and that will be a massive, expensive undertaking.

bill

...and someone needs to figure out who's gonna be laying the new cable so I/we can invest on the groundfloor. I need a good buy and hold. Wouldn't odds be good that it ain't gonna be Comcast?

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

You said it was good for your wallet. If I misunderstood that, you're welcome to explain that further.

If you would bother to read my post!!

If you would bother to read my post, I said that catastrophic events can have an impact during this holiday season. If you don't believe that, consider what would happen if our government, in it's infinite wisdom, were to bomb Iran in the next couple of months. Are you going to tell me that this act and the events that will follow will not have an impact on this industry? Let's not forget the cozy relationship that China has built with Iran and it's volatile neighbors in the last few years. We'd be pissing in their backyard.

This is stupid. The betamax was introduced to the market in 1975, and VHS was intoduced in 1976. We were in the midst of very high oil prices and just getting over the oil embargo. Both formats came to the market regardless of the crises, one went on to own the consumer market, the other the professional market. I am sure that the chance of catastrophic events(like a war for oil) was very real back then, but it didn't stop people from purchasing players and tapes.

The laserdisc was introduced in 1978, a year before the Iran hostage affair. While it remained a niche product, it made it through the hostage crises, the latter part of the oil embargo, various hurricaines, world crises and everything else.

The CD format was introduced to the market in 1982 just before christmas. There was a chance that the format could have succumbed to a world disaster during that holiday season. It didn't happen, and the CD is still here today. It lasted through many recessions and natural disaster throughout its 26 year history.

The DVD format was brought to the market in the US in early 1997. A year later it was in full competition with DIVX, and both could have crashed and burned together. We had recessions, and the threat of war always somewhere on the planet, but DVD emerged the winner, and is still around.

There has always been a consistant and persistant chance that a major calamity could have destroyed all of these technologies chance in the consumer market, but it didn't happen. If something did happen, you can bet you best dress that the CE manufacturers have a backup plan. Disc replication is a regional thing. If a earthquake hits the pioneer replication plant in the greater Los Angeles area, then it is likely the replication plant in Tara Haute could pick up the chore.

Oddball - because you have enough money to flip sides between the formats if you feel like it. Most consumers don't.

Being able to purchase players for both format isn't odd, your whole perspective on this is.

Creepy connection - because your relationship to this industry is too cozy and does not allow you to see much outside of it.

And your perspective is so far out of the movie industry, you know nothing about it, even on a basic level. I mean come on, players fall into the sea, and all of a sudden the price goes up. Right, what are we talking here bluray pork bellies? HD oil?

But we're talking about the BR/HDDVD format war, and I don't have a creepy connection to that industry. Let's stay on topic here.

Aside from being an employee of a bluray exclusive studio, and a owner of player from each format, I have no more connection to BR/HD DVD than you do. So the creepy comment doesn't apply here as well. You telling me to stay on topic is quite funny Mr China and Iran. Mr Catastrophe..(rolls eyes)

Nose just fine - no need to claim victory points. Did you want a little gold start to go with that one, Terrence? If I remember right, the LG dual format player is being outsold by single format players in appalling numbers. Don't know about the new Samsung one, but the price point of these players is high and the market segment they are trying to appeal to, may not be there. Of course, that's just my take on it, I'm sure your industry insiders can give us some hard numbers to compare with.

What the heck is a gold start?

What kind of take could a person have when they don't even know the basics of the movie industry, movie retail, disc replication, player manufacturing, product distribution, or the market segment that any player appeals to. Jeeze, you are the verbalrectumbule that believes when a shipment of players is lost, player prices go up. You are the last person I would come to for analysis on this particular subject.

Look, just face it, the vast majority of consumers will not buy one player for each format, it's just not going to happen, so drop it already. If you're so bent on disproving that, let's see some hard numbers to back that claim - not just your 2-3 friends who just happen to be reviewers too so they need them for their work - they are not your typical consumer. Granted, there will be people with game consoles who may have both, but what will those numbers be? Still not even close to people buying into a single format. Show me some numbers or drop it already. Put up or shut up.

The vast majority will not have to buy a player from each format, the war will be long over before that would happen. Where did I say that the people I know who bought both formats are reviewers? Dave right here is not a review, he has both. I never mention what they did for a living did I Mr make crap up?

Why would Samsung want to release a dual format player if there was no market for them? Apparently there is, or they would be wasting their investment. LG player is not selling becuase it is not a certified HD DVD player. That doesn't mean there isn't a market for them, especially now.

Is this really the best you got? You want another gold start for that one, little Terrence?

What's a gold start? Is that the same thing as a BR pork belly? Or a HD crude?

You need your friends to help you in the playground? 'Come on Terrence, let's see you commit to something on your own. State that if BR doesn't win this you'll come back here and say so.

'Come on, you know you want to....

Some one throw this record away, its broken

Think of all the gold stars you'll get... Everyone at your feet, begging to be blessed with your wisdom.... Imagine it, and it will be so...

Sir Terrence the Terrible, the plumed little green knight that could...

I would rather have a new Porsche or a new Honda Insight thanks Nightflier the BR pork belly investor.

Fox has been late releasing their titles to retailers, does that mean the prices go up to $36.99 per disc now?

[PeruvianSkies]

The laserdisc was introduced in 1978, a year before the Iran hostage affair. While it remained a niche product, it made it through the hostage crises, the latter part of the oil embargo, various hurricaines, world crises and everything else.

The CD format was introduced to the market in 1982 just before christmas. There was a chance that the format could have succumbed to a world disaster during that holiday season. It didn't happen, and the CD is still here today. It lasted through many recessions and natural disaster throughout its 26 year history.

The DVD format was brought to the market in the US in early 1997. A year later it was in full competition with DIVX, and both could have crashed and burned together. We had recessions, and the threat of war always somewhere on the planet, but DVD emerged the winner, and is still around.

DVD's arrived in 1997, one year before Gus van Sant remade PSYCHO and still somehow humanity survived.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Think of how much MP3 compression has improved in the last few years. Also consider that movie downloads don't need to include all the extras and that this will one day be selectable by the consumer. The point is, there is a tremendous amount of research being done to improve video compression algorithms, reduce congestion (especially at the routers and switches), simplify content and reducing bloat, improve searches (web 3.0 technologies) and aggregate downloads (reducing distances with bitorrent-type technologies). I'm more on the the software side, but I also know that much of the hardware that makes up the internet is being upgraded and that as more internet traffic is transfered to the wireless internet, that congestion on both sides will be reduced.

It certainly won't mean that you'll have 15Mb/s download speeds by x-mas, but it's on the horizon. More importantly, these advancements are being developed for SD video today, so they will also play a role in satisfying the needs of consumers who don't yet care that it's not HD (think all the iMovie owners, for example). When HD is ready to be offered for download, it will be delivered via the same medium and the consumers won't have to upgrade anything on their ends. This is key.

Didn't you state that HD movies could be availble in two years? Well, a pipeline developed for SD will not be enough to carry 1080p(even with VC-1) and lossless audio with different languages. HD video with MP3 sound will not attract alot of folks, not to mention the cost of HD cable which is already turning off alot of folks. Advances in video compression still will not allow a HD bitstream to fit on the DVD platform. Dts HD nor DD+ can compress audio enough to fit the DVD platform either. The bitrates of VOD are currently comparable to DVD, except you only get stereo sound.

[PeruvianSkies]

Anyone know how to get DTS 5.1 on my iPod for movies??? j/k.

btw...the link that Sir TtT provided for the blu-ray site doesn't work, it only takes you to a login page.

[Woochifer]

Unless they both become niche and a third format takes over. SACD and DVD-A are a good example of products that, despite their technical/qualitative superiority, both became niche (at best) at a time that downloads and personal music players overtook the attention of the buying public. By the way, Sir T., I would call that a striking similarity.

Discussing who's winning the HD-DVD and Blu-ray format war does not exclude the possibility of both formats failing. Among the possible outcomes for th two formats, right now, the only scenario outside the rhelm of possibility is HD-DVD winning the format war outright, which is exactly why I would opt for Blu-ray if I was going to buy a HD optical player. But, also the SACD/DVD-A analogy does not hold up for reasons that I've spelled out many times before on this board.

OK, before we go any further with this line of reasoning, what percentage of the movie market is HD? Anybody care to fill us in?

The info's out there, but I don't bother looking it up because it's irrelevant to any discussion of Blu-ray v. HD-DVD. Right now, there is no format war with DVD -- the market comparison with DVD is just as irrelevant now as DVD v. VHS was in 1998. When/if the market for HD optical discs picks up, then the market share comparison with DVD becomes more relevant.

No, if you read my post more carefully, I didn't say they would affect point-of-sale data collected here. What I said was that catastrophic events can have an impact this holiday season because they provide assembly facilities and parts to meet demand. Didn't everybody pretty much agree earlier in this thread that this season was crucial for both formats? Myanmar, Malaysia, and Indonesia have large manufacturing and assembly plants for western electronic goods. Even India and China outsource to those countries.

Like I said before, your doomsday scenario applies [i]only[/] if it can be proven that these events collectively impact one format more than the other. Otherwise, it's nothing more than political soapbox fodder that makes for off-top conversation and speculation, but nothing pertaining to how HD-DVD stacks up against Blu-ray.

And if I may, I still think that the resilience of the HDDVD camp in light of all the negative sales figures, is reason for concern. For example, Microsoft spends millions on research into future technologies and trend forecasting. They are still in the HDDVD camp, and so I'm left wondering what do they know that we don't? We can speculate, but we really don't know. Likewise, I am confident that the problem with internet bandwidth can be addressed with a combination of software and hardware upgrades and that the industries that stand to profit from this will make it happen, sooner rather than later. I know from my own experience that on the software side there are substantial advances being developed today and these will be implemented over the next two years.

Like I said, Blu-ray continues holding most of the advantages. Any scenario that vaults HD-DVD into a sustainable lead relies on outside forces. The scenarios that support Blu-ray are already unfolding. One scenario requires speculation and guessing, the other requires no more than a continuation of trends that have been holding steady for the past 10 months (e.g., HD-DVD has not outsold Blu-ray in any week since December of last year).

[PeruvianSkies]

Man, I sure appreciate your fervor and tenacity in dealing with this particular thread, that being said you may as well save your breathe (or in this case fingers from typing) because you are dealing with individuals who refuse to be proven wrong about their opinions and more importantly, even if proven wrong would never admit to it anyway. The end result is that they suck the fun out of this site, if it was ever fun to begin with, I guess that's a matter of personal opinion or maybe fact...depends on who you ask. Peace bro.

[Woochifer]

Man, I sure appreciate your fervor and tenacity in dealing with this particular thread, that being said you may as well save your breathe (or in this case fingers from typing) because you are dealing with individuals who refuse to be proven wrong about their opinions and more importantly, even if proven wrong would never admit to it anyway. The end result is that they suck the fun out of this site, if it was ever fun to begin with, I guess that's a matter of personal opinion or maybe fact...depends on who you ask. Peace bro.

Well, given that you're chiming in on this thread, I presume that you're including yourself among these "individuals"?

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Man, I sure appreciate your fervor and tenacity in dealing with this particular thread, that being said you may as well save your breathe (or in this case fingers from typing) because you are dealing with individuals who refuse to be proven wrong about their opinions and more importantly, even if proven wrong would never admit to it anyway. The end result is that they suck the fun out of this site, if it was ever fun to begin with, I guess that's a matter of personal opinion or maybe fact...depends on who you ask. Peace bro.

Oh no, Don't get this twisted. I am waiting to be proved wrong. It just isn't happening in this thread at all. Part of the problem is the lack of proof, and alot of off topic blather that has nothing to do with the topic.

I am going just going say I am wrong just because you and Nightflier want me too? Nope. If you are going to prove me wrong, you will have to work to do so, no freebie here.

[PeruvianSkies]

Well, given that you're chiming in on this thread, I presume that you're including yourself among these "individuals"?

Yeah, that makes sense...you're gonna have to do better than that if you are trying to insult me, that's pretty pedestrian stuff, then again that's on par for you anyway. I can chime in wherever I please, this is a free forum, you do the same.

[PeruvianSkies]

Oh no, Don't get this twisted. I am waiting to be proved wrong. It just isn't happening in this thread at all. Part of the problem is the lack of proof, and alot of off topic blather that has nothing to do with the topic.

I am going just going say I am wrong just because you and Nightflier want me too? Nope. If you are going to prove me wrong, you will have to work to do so, no freebie here.

Oh I get it, you can twist around things on others but you don't like when it's being done to you...well, hmmm that just isn't fair now is it? You still didn't comment on anything that I said about BRAM STOKER on Blu-ray or what others have been saying in general about the Blu-ray being a disaster. I thought you could shed some insider light on it. So how about YOU do some work.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Oh I get it, you can twist around things on others but you don't like when it's being done to you...well, hmmm that just isn't fair now is it? You still didn't comment on anything that I said about BRAM STOKER on Blu-ray or what others have been saying in general about the Blu-ray being a disaster. I thought you could shed some insider light on it. So how about YOU do some work.

From what I read it looks like you and nightflier are doing the twisting.

As far as Bram stroker. Mr Coppola did not approve the Laserdisc, DVD or the superbit of this title. The only approval he has made is to the bluray copy. The bluray copy is what he wanted his film to look like. So any comparison between bluray, DVD, Superbit or LD is no comparison.

The DVD was tweaked for that format. The LD was tweaked for that format. The superbit version was tweaked for that format. But none of these was tweaked by either Mr. Coppola himself, not Zoetrope studios. It was done by Sony pictures themselves.

The BR is the definitive version of this film, and cannot be compared to anything other version on video.

Now if you don't believe a damn thing I say, here is a link to Hometheaterforum.com, and you can read what Robert Harris has to say about it. He knows more about film, film history, and film perservation than you will in your lifetime.

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...d.php?t=262992

The reviewers, and your friend got this one totally wrong, now admit it, I dare you.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Yeah, that makes sense...you're gonna have to do better than that if you are trying to insult me, that's pretty pedestrian stuff, then again that's on par for you anyway. I can chime in wherever I please, this is a free forum, you do the same.

I have never seen an instance where adults enjoyed throwing mud at children. It usually the other way around.

[PeruvianSkies]

Peruvian, who ever said that Bluray was a disaster? I have been all over the internet in the last year, and I have never heard of anyone making such a claim. No wonder you and nightflier agree, you guys both graduated validictorian from the make things up school of bull.

I NEVER SAID BLU-RAY WAS THE DISASTER, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN MORE NEGATIVE REVIEWS ON THE BLU-RAY FOR BRAM STOKER THAN POSITIVE ONES.

As far as Bram stroker. Mr Coppola did not approve the Laserdisc, DVD or the superbit of this title. The only approval he has made is to the bluray copy. The bluray copy is what he wanted his film to look like. So any comparison between bluray, DVD, Superbit or LD is no comparison.

SO WHY DOES THE LASERDISC SAY DIRECTORS APPROVED EDITION?

The DVD was tweaked for that format. The LD was tweaked for that format. The superbit version was tweaked for that format. But none of these was tweaked by either Mr. Coppola himself, not Zoetrope studios. It was done by Sony pictures themselves.


The BR is the definitive version of this film, and cannot be compared to anything other version on video.

THEN WHY DOES IT LOOK LIKE CRAP AND NOT LIKE IT DID IN THEATERS?

Now if you don't believe a damn thing I say, here is a link to Hometheaterforum.com, and you can read what Robert Harris has to say about it. He knows more about film, film history, and film perservation than you will in your lifetime.

I FIGURED YOU WOULD PLAY THE RAH CARD ON ME AT SOME POINT, I CAN GOOGLE AND READ WHAT OTHERS SAY AS WELL. YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED AT WHAT I KNOW ABOUT FILM HISTORY.

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...d.php?t=262992

The reviewers, and your friend got this one totally wrong, now admit it, I dare
you.

SO HOW CAN ALL OF THESE REVIEWERS BE WRONG? ARE THEY ALL IN CAHOOTS TO MAKE BLU-RAY LOOK BAD? NOPE. THEY ARE ALL MAKING THE SAME STATEMENTS ABOUT THE BLU-RAY...EXPLAIN WHY THE DOCUMENTARY LOOKS BETTER ON THE BLU-RAY THAN THE MOVIE PRESENTATION? EXPLAIN WHY IT DOESN'T LOOK THE WAY IT WAS IN THEATERS.

The link you provided earlier to show your credentials takes you to a login page.

[Woochifer]

Yeah, that makes sense...you're gonna have to do better than that if you are trying to insult me, that's pretty pedestrian stuff, then again that's on par for you anyway. I can chime in wherever I please, this is a free forum, you do the same.

Of course it makes sense, since you described yourself to a tee! I couldn't have phrased it any better (hell, I might have even been a bit kinder to you than you were to yourself!), that was your best post yet!

BTW, no one's telling where you can or cannot post. Just don't be surprised by how the adults react whenever you try to turn the forum into your personal playground.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Now you know!

A really low and classless thing to do. How can anyone condone this kind of behavior I will never know.

[Woochifer]

Now you know!

Douche? DOUCHE? What are you, hearkening back to 5th grade or still there?

Your post just proves who the adult is in this exchange. You just make it all too easy ...

[GMichael]

Now you know!

Please delete this.