Pioneer done making tv's

[pixelthis]

You're obviously too stupid to figure out what I meant.

Pioneer owns the top 3 spots when it comes to tv rankings....and that includes plasmas AND lcds.

your hunk of sh*t Vizio most likely doesnt even make the top 50




We're no. 3! We're no 3?
Catchy.

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Vizio is the NUMBER ONE maker of LCD and other flat panels.
Pioneer is the ZERO maker of ANY kind of TV as they have just gotten out of the business.
YEAH, if they make such "great" TV sets then why did they fail to sell that many
(except to the clueless such as yourself, who buys into the propaaganda)
Basically your set is a panasonic, that is the OEM, a few tweaks maybe but basically a
panasonic, which should help in finding parts for your orphan.
Which you WILL need , assmonkey.

[Duds]

Just shows how little you know. the tv i bought has has zero panasonic in it, period. the next generation was going to have Panny glass.

go enjoy your Fisher Price tv.....

Vizio is the NUMBER ONE maker of LCD and other flat panels.
Pioneer is the ZERO maker of ANY kind of TV as they have just gotten out of the business.
YEAH, if they make such "great" TV sets then why did they fail to sell that many
(except to the clueless such as yourself, who buys into the propaaganda)
Basically your set is a panasonic, that is the OEM, a few tweaks maybe but basically a
panasonic, which should help in finding parts for your orphan.
Which you WILL need , assmonkey.[/QUOTE]

[pixelthis]

Just shows how little you know. the tv i bought has has zero panasonic in it, period. the next generation was going to have Panny glass.

go enjoy your Fisher Price tv.....



Vizio is the NUMBER ONE maker of LCD and other flat panels.
Pioneer is the ZERO maker of ANY kind of TV as they have just gotten out of the business.
YEAH, if they make such "great" TV sets then why did they fail to sell that many
(except to the clueless such as yourself, who buys into the propaaganda)
Basically your set is a panasonic, that is the OEM, a few tweaks maybe but basically a
panasonic, which should help in finding parts for your orphan.
Which you WILL need , assmonkey.

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PIONEER is an audio company, they have always relied on OEM for video products.
But dont sweat it, panasonic is a good company, even tho you bought one by your own ignorance.

[Duds]

well congrats to an audio company for making the best TVs you can buy, LOL!!!

and even though you dont know your ass from a hole in the ground, my pioneer is a pioneer, even if it was a Panny, I'd still take a Panny plasma any day of the week over your Fischer Price toy.

PIONEER is an audio company, they have always relied on OEM for video products.
But dont sweat it, panasonic is a good company, even tho you bought one by your own ignorance.[/QUOTE]

[Rich-n-Texas]

well congrats to an audio company for making the best TVs you can buy, LOL!!!

and even though you dont know your ass from a hole in the ground, my pioneer is a pioneer, even if it was a Panny, I'd still take a Panny plasma any day of the week over your Fischer Price toy.

Great stuff Duds!

Pix, you're a dumbass.

[Groundbeef]

I have 2 Pioneer Plasmas. Neither are Pannys. Although, as others have said, I would rather a Panny, than the Aldi Special (Vizio).

I was reading this article about Vizio and their business model. Some highlights:

http://www.allbusiness.com/north-ame...4064638-1.html

"One of the company's biggest costs is advertising, according to Schindler, vice president of marketing and operations." (Notice that advertising costs are higher than component costs. IE sell ****, but advertise the heck out of it.) Nice.

"The company's tactic: strip down sets to their most basic components and work closely with stores-mostly warehouse clubs-on prices."

"As with cheap monitors, Vizio is going after volume."

Those are quotes from their Marketing Dept. Nice to be chasing the same market as cheap monitors.

This is another article dealing with Vizio:
http://www.twice.com/article/CA6562112.html

"Schindler said we really believe in plasma technology and think it has some advantages over LCD, even though in the retail environment plasma will glare more with the light," he said. "We want to keep plasma alive and keep a good balance."

Isn't that interesting? Vizio contends that Plasma has some advantages over LCD. I guess that they forgot to send pix the memo. What a dork.

[JSE]

I was reading this article about Vizio and their business model. Some highlights:

"One of the company's biggest costs is advertising, according to Schindler, vice president of marketing and operations." (Notice that advertising costs are higher than component costs. IE sell ****, but advertise the heck out of it. Nice.

Are we talking about Vizio or Bose here?

That's gotta hurt a little there Pix.

[pixelthis]

I have 2 Pioneer Plasmas. Neither are Pannys. Although, as others have said, I would rather a Panny, than the Aldi Special (Vizio).

I was reading this article about Vizio and their business model. Some highlights:

http://www.allbusiness.com/north-ame...4064638-1.html

"One of the company's biggest costs is advertising, according to Schindler, vice president of marketing and operations." (Notice that advertising costs are higher than component costs. IE sell ****, but advertise the heck out of it.) Nice.

"The company's tactic: strip down sets to their most basic components and work closely with stores-mostly warehouse clubs-on prices."

"As with cheap monitors, Vizio is going after volume."

Those are quotes from their Marketing Dept. Nice to be chasing the same market as cheap monitors.

This is another article dealing with Vizio:
http://www.twice.com/article/CA6562112.html

"Schindler said we really believe in plasma technology and think it has some advantages over LCD, even though in the retail environment plasma will glare more with the light," he said. "We want to keep plasma alive and keep a good balance."

Isn't that interesting? Vizio contends that Plasma has some advantages over LCD. I guess that they forgot to send pix the memo. What a dork.

AND LETS SEEEE.
WHO are YOU?
oh, yeah, AFTER A 2700$ meltdown of YOU'RE plasma POS you were stupid enough to BUY ANOTHER ONE!!!
WHY the crap should anyone listen to anything you have to say?

Attack VIZIO all you want, quote things out of context ALL DAY LONG.
You cant beat reality, and the reality IS that plasma is a flawed form factor.
A "DEAD" FLAWED FORM FACTOR.

[pixelthis]

Great stuff Duds!

Pix, you're a dumbass.

WHICH puts me about 50 I.Q points above you
You spend blu prices on a DVD player and call me a dumbass?

[Rich-n-Texas]

WHICH puts me about 50 I.Q points above you
You spend blu prices on a DVD player and call me a dumbass?

Yes. You ARE a dumbass. Show me a new, in the box "blu" that costs $169. And remember, I don't shop at Odd Lot's or your employer, Wal-mart.

As long as you hang here for no other reason than to stir up the pot and attempt to put some very knowlegable in a bad light, I'll continue to call you as I and many other here see you. You got your shtick, I got mine pix.

[Woochifer]

Vizio is the NUMBER ONE maker of LCD and other flat panels.

Old info. Vizio was only #1 for one quarter in 2007. Sony and Samsung have been trading the #1 spot for the past year and a half. Vizio is currently tied for #3 with Sharp.

Pioneer is the ZERO maker of ANY kind of TV as they have just gotten out of the business.

As others have pointed out, Pioneers rank among the top rated TVs on the market. They are still making TVs right now, since there has yet to be any official announcement.

YEAH, if they make such "great" TV sets then why did they fail to sell that many

Because their sets cost more to make, and have a higher price than competing models. Pioneer's issue was cost containment on the production side, which is why they were preparing to go with Panny and Sharp as their new OEM suppliers. They were no different than a high end audio company that produces high quality components in low quantity. Are you now saying that "great" products are limited to those that sell millions of units? If volume equals greatness, then I guess you must LOVE Bose, right?

(except to the clueless such as yourself, who buys into the propaaganda)
Basically your set is a panasonic, that is the OEM, a few tweaks maybe but basically a
panasonic, which should help in finding parts for your orphan.

Actually, you're the clueless one, given that Pioneer hasn't even started using plasma panels from Panasonic. Their financial issues stem from the fact that they own their production facilities, and those facilities are too inefficient and low volume to operate profitably, compared to Panasonic, Samsung, and LG.

[pixelthis]

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Old info. Vizio was only #1 for one quarter in 2007. Sony and Samsung have been trading the #1 spot for the past year and a half. Vizio is currently tied for #3 with Sharp.

Vizio was #1 for a lot longer than PIONEER, (how long was that ? OH, they never were)

As others have pointed out, Pioneers rank among the top rated TVs on the market. They are still making TVs right now, since there has yet to be any official announcement.

IS that why they cant sell any?
ACTUALLY the real reason they cant sell any, and that is they have PLASMA
only, and there are only so many dumbasses in teh world who would buy plasma.

Because their sets cost more to make, and have a higher price than competing models. Pioneer's issue was cost containment on the production side, which is why they were preparing to go with Panny and Sharp as their new OEM suppliers. They were no different than a high end audio company that produces high quality components in low quantity. Are you now saying that "great" products are limited to those that sell millions of units? If volume equals greatness, then I guess you must LOVE Bose, right?

If "vollume" equals "greatness " then you ass would be the greatest thing on earth.
Companies like Runco have no problem selling high end.
Problem with Pioneer is they sold out to the mass market long ago with their plastic
toy receivers, no way they could convince anybody that they produce quality gear.

Actually, you're the clueless one, given that Pioneer hasn't even started using plasma panels from Panasonic. Their financial issues stem from the fact that they own their production facilities, and those facilities are too inefficient and low volume to operate profitably, compared to Panasonic, Samsung, and LG.

BUT by all means go ahead and buy a product from a company that cant even plan
a product cycle and produce and sell a product at a decent price point.
Speaks highly of them that they cant turn out a product at a decent price point.
AND who asked you anyway?

[Duds]

I've seen a Runco tv, and although very nice, I'd take a Pioneer elite over it any day of the week.

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Vizio was #1 for a lot longer than PIONEER, (how long was that ? OH, they never were)



IS that why they cant sell any?
ACTUALLY the real reason they cant sell any, and that is they have PLASMA
only, and there are only so many dumbasses in teh world who would buy plasma.






If "vollume" equals "greatness " then you ass would be the greatest thing on earth.
Companies like Runco have no problem selling high end.
Problem with Pioneer is they sold out to the mass market long ago with their plastic
toy receivers, no way they could convince anybody that they produce quality gear.





BUT by all means go ahead and buy a product from a company that cant even plan
a product cycle and produce and sell a product at a decent price point.
Speaks highly of them that they cant turn out a product at a decent price point.
AND who asked you anyway?

[Woochifer]

Vizio was #1 for a lot longer than PIONEER, (how long was that ? OH, they never were)

Only if you're more concerned about quantity than quality. Pioneers have been top rated for picture quality a helluva lot more frequently than Vizios.

IS that why they cant sell any?
ACTUALLY the real reason they cant sell any, and that is they have PLASMA
only, and there are only so many dumbasses in teh world who would buy plasma.

Actually, they already sell LCDs in Europe. Their market has always been niche focused because their price points are higher than the rest of the market.

If "vollume" equals "greatness " then you ass would be the greatest thing on earth.

Judging from the number of six-packs that you imbue, I doubt that my posterior print is larger than yours.

Companies like Runco have no problem selling high end.

And their sales volumes are a LOT lower than Pioneer's

Problem with Pioneer is they sold out to the mass market long ago with their plastic
toy receivers, no way they could convince anybody that they produce quality gear.

People who care about VIDEO quality are the consumers who buy the Pioneers, even though they often cost nearly double what other TVs with identical paper specs cost. They don't care about Pioneer's reputation with AUDIO equipment, since that's irrelevant to what Pioneer produces on the VIDEO side.

BUT by all means go ahead and buy a product from a company that cant even plan
a product cycle and produce and sell a product at a decent price point.
Speaks highly of them that they cant turn out a product at a decent price point.
AND who asked you anyway?

[pixelthis]

Only if you're more concerned about quantity than quality. Pioneers have been top rated for picture quality a helluva lot more frequently than Vizios.

Which means nothing if you're outta business.
I can make a super high q set that will beat anything,
but who will buy it for a few million bucks?







And their sales volumes are a LOT lower than Pioneer's

NOT ANY MORE, as PIONEERS IS ZERO

Runco can market a big ticket item, Pioneer cant, cheap plastic receivers they excel at, however.

People who care about VIDEO quality are the consumers who buy the Pioneers, even though they often cost nearly double what other TVs with identical paper specs cost.

Yeah, go ahead and pay double for an identical set, and they wonder why they cant sell TV sets, guess there are only so many idiots in the world

They don't care about Pioneer's reputation with AUDIO equipment, since that's irrelevant to what Pioneer produces on the VIDEO side.

Finally got something right.
But then again everything is irrelevant to pioneers video displays, since they dont make em any more.


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[Woochifer]

Which means nothing if you're outta business.
I can make a super high q set that will beat anything,
but who will buy it for a few million bucks?

Yuh right. Your definition of quality is entirely contingent on price and you don't even calibrate your TVs, so what would you know about "super high q"?

And their sales volumes are a LOT lower than Pioneer's

NOT ANY MORE, as PIONEERS IS ZERO

You must have flunked grammar when they covered tense. Pioneer's sales ARE not zero, given that they haven't officially exited the TV business yet. Try shopping at a store other than Walmart sometime. Pioneers are still in stock at Best Buy and other stores.

Runco can market a big ticket item, Pioneer cant, cheap plastic receivers they excel at, however.

And Runco doesn't make their own panels either.

Yeah, go ahead and pay double for an identical set, and they wonder why they cant sell TV sets, guess there are only so many idiots in the world

They're only identical to you because you use a 20-year old battery powered 5" LCD TV as your benchmark for picture quality.

[pixelthis]

Yuh right. Your definition of quality is entirely contingent on price and you don't even calibrate your TVs, so what would you know about "super high q"?

A LOT MORE than you apparently.
A 2000p set is perfectly feasible, so why cant you buy one?
Price is always a consideration unless you're a plutocrat.
I would like to have a 50" LCD with a variable LED backlight, but at four grand it aint gonna happen.
THERE WAS A LINK I POSTED about a blog on CNET, there were a hundred replies.
Almost all said that the slight PQ increase of the Pioneer sets werent worth the money.
If you think money is no object, and engineer your product accordingly, the real world will
educate you in a hurry

You must have flunked grammar when they covered tense. Pioneer's sales ARE not zero, given that they haven't officially exited the TV business yet. Try shopping at a store other than Walmart sometime. Pioneers are still in stock at Best Buy and other stores.

SELLING at closeout prices!!!
Wont be beating anybody in sales either

And Runco doesn't make their own panels either.

A lot of people dont, whats your point?
Do you know how wastefull it would be if everybody made everything that goes into their product?
A 2500 buck LINN CD PLAYER has a Sony drive, so whats your point(except the one at the top of your head)?

They're only identical to you because you use a 20-year old battery powered 5" LCD TV as your benchmark for picture quality.

Keep repeating that nonsense, you look sillier every time you do.