Blu ray is doing well even during the slow season

[klif570]

anyone who has updated a computer knows a firmware upgrade is a piece of cake. I could probably train my dog to do it.

I would love to see that!

According to the last records I have read from the Economic Research Council, 22% of you Brits are also below the poverty line as of the 2007/08 tally. I am not going to begin to say that they don't have televisions, just like you don't really know that those 15% of our poor don't have one. Assumption is an quick and easy way to make an a$$ out of yourself.

Doesn't look like true facts to me. Most people I know are on medium income, while all Americans I've spoken to always mentioned how there are extremely rich areas and a few miles further - a latino town. Have you even heard about the two Americas thing? Or are you one of those stuck up snobs who'd rather pretend it's all nice?

Most intelligent folks have no use for name calling and insults. I think this little snip of words tell a lot about you.

Fanboy is not an insult, and if you are one, you will be called as such. You started this thread on how good Blu Ray sales are, and keep saying how Blu Ray is the last format ever.. what is it if not fanboyism? Haha thanks for the laugh.

And no need to compare VHS again, no one liked to sit and rewind those bulky things for 15 minutes.. If VHS was upgraded to, lets say, VHS-X, offering higher quality, do you think people would have switched the way they switched to DVDs? That's the point here why people upgraded and why VHS can't be compared to DVD. Blu Ray doesn't have this advantage over DVD.

So I've said pretty much all that I wanted. Those who agree with me will see my point, those who have bought Blu Ray probably don't want to see it. Sure, DVD format will be replaced, and so will Blu Ray..that's how it is with technology. But that's when time comes, and now with 400.000 DVDs vs 7000 Blu Ray on Amazon, I think we still have a long way to go.

[audio amateur]

Commodity pricing always comes just before a format's death. VHS where cheaper than DVD's and were readily available, where is it now?

DVD movies had a lot to offer compared to VHS. VHS quality plain sucked (both video & sound), as you already know. Not only that, DVD was more practical, compact and offered language selection and interactive menus, not to mention it wasn't backward compatible with VHS. When you think about it, there is a lot going for DVD in that a big chunk of the popultion is probably very happy with DVD as far a video quality goes, especially here in Europe where, as you said people don't have massive screens which show off high def. I'm not going to talk about sound because 90% of the consumer base won't hear or won't have the gear to exploit high def sound.

A friend of mine bought a 32" 720p screen back in 2007. We made comparison of DVD vs BR with irobot and granted, the picture was a little better but I wouldn't go as far as saying it was night and day. As for audio (something we all know so well as audiophiles), the public just isn't interested in small incremental increases in sound quality.

I'm just saying, DVD has a lot going for it. Granted, I'm already looking forward to buying BR and actually withholding DVD purchases in favour of future BR purchases, but hey, I'm not average Joe who likely (at this stage anyways) doesn't see massive benefits in buying BRs when DVDs are cheaper.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

I would love to see that!

So would I! LOL

Doesn't look like true facts to me.

Well, they have the statistic's to prove so, and I am just guessing, but you have not conducted your study on the issue have you?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...y-1831088.html

I think the words With 20 per cent of the population still stuck in poverty, the report calls for sweeping reform of the tax and welfare systems under which higher earners would finance more generous, universal benefits. sums it up nicely.

Most people I know are on medium income, while all Americans I've spoken to always mentioned how there are extremely rich areas and a few miles further - a latino town.

First as a Latino (and part British as well), I must take umbrage to the connotation of your usage of Latino town. Unfortunately the poor in this country come from many cultural backgrounds and races, not just the Latino culture. Southern Florida is full of pretty wealthy Latinos, and usually the wealthy dwell among the wealthy regardless of race or culture here. Just to correct you on some basic misconceptions, our poverty rate is 13.2% not 15%, and the poorest in this country are not Latinos.

Your misleading statement attempts to paint an inaccurate picture of America's income breakout. Even though it is shrinking, the middle class in this country represent the lion share of the population. However, our middle class has sub categories within it, but this is not the proper discussion to outline that.

Have you even heard about the two Americas thing?

I know it much better than you I suppose.

Or are you one of those stuck up snobs who'd rather pretend it's all nice?

My racial and cultural background would make that quite impossible.

Fanboy is not an insult, and if you are one, you will be called as such.

This kind of play ground like activity is below the radar for me, sorry. Senseless name calling is kids play, and an activity not worthy of mature intelligent adults. Labels are for people without the intellectual capacity to figure out subtleties and shades.

You started this thread on how good Blu Ray sales are, and keep saying how Blu Ray is the last format ever.. what is it if not fanboyism? Haha thanks for the laugh.

I started this thread to outline how Blu ray disc and player sales are bucking sales trends that extend back several decades in this country. I said that the Blu ray disc format will be the last disc format because it is the last disc format that Hollywood is willing to support. It is almost unanimous among the good people that work in film industry (of which I am one) and make those kinds of decisions in that the industry, it longer wants to support another disc based format after Blu ray sunsets. The next direction the industry is headed is cloud based digital downloads that are available on demand, that is where the industry is headed. Now every disc based technology that get's its 15 minutes of fame is not going to be used by the film community. Do you remember this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc

Optiware started working on this technology long before Blu ray and HD DVD were conceived, and it did not live up to the hype it created.

InPhase has been working on this since 2000, a full six years before Blu ray and HD DVD hit the market, and just when DVD was beginning to take traction. Guess what, 3 times the company has announced products, and three time they failed to deliver.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InPhase_Technologies

Or how about this goody that was supposed to be a Blu ray and HD DVD killer before they were even born. This was supposed to be what was going to replace DVD, but they could not get the 50GB version to work properly, so Sony and Toshiba went on with their plans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Multilayer_Disk

When the content owners say they are going to be through with disc based technology after Blu ray(and have shown they mean it by developing their own system of delivery), you can pretty much bet they mean it.

And no need to compare VHS again, no one liked to sit and rewind those bulky things for 15 minutes.. If VHS was upgraded to, lets say, VHS-X, offering higher quality, do you think people would have switched the way they switched to DVDs? That's the point here why people upgraded and why VHS can't be compared to DVD. Blu Ray doesn't have this advantage over DVD.

I think even your assumptions about VHS are probably off the mark as well. Hmmm, lets see...In the US, the penetration rate of those things you say no one liked was in 90% of households. My last VCR could rewind an entire T-180 tape back in about a minute, a far cry from your 15 minute comments. Hyperbole is often unhelpful in these kinds of discussions.

Unless your memory was cloudy, there were higher resolution sources in the market the same time as VHS was. It was called the Laserdisc. While it enjoyed a lot of popularity with videophiles, it was a resounding thud in the market place. Do you remember S-VHS? That would be your VHS-X. If my memory recalls, that was a resounding thud as well. So maybe folks made the switch for different reasons than you think. How about format maturity? You know, the thing that happens when all of the studios back catalog titles in their vaults have already been released time and time again, much like what has happened with DVD. Sales began to slide on both blank and pre recorded movie tapes, and every one in the food chain began to scramble for another cash cow that VHS was. De ja vu, it is happening all over again. See a trend here?

So I've said pretty much all that I wanted. Those who agree with me will see my point, those who have bought Blu Ray probably don't want to see it. Sure, DVD format will be replaced, and so will Blu Ray..that's how it is with technology. But that's when time comes, and now with 400.000 DVDs vs 7000 Blu Ray on Amazon, I think we still have a long way to go.

Your constant citation of 400,000 of mostly inactive titles is both misleading, and at the same time irrelevant. Your look is a reverse look of DVD, not a forward look. The DVD marketplace is not selling all of those 400,000 titles or we would not be seeing year over year declines in sales since 2005. The only things selling right now is the top 100 most recently released titles according to my copy of NDP. The rest of those 399,900 titles are basically collecting dust, and are a mere pittance of overall DVD sales. Funny, that was the same thing happen to VHS in 1997 when good ole DVD hit the marketplace.

With only 7000 titles, Blu ray has a pretty long future ahead of it. Even if there are never 400,000 Blu ray titles on the market, Blu ray will do quite well. It does not have to rely on a vast amount of catalog titles to succeed, it has all these other things to bring to the table other than just titles - things that could have never been done on DVD. D-Box, 3D, 4K, high resolution music and the use of meta data extension for more audio channels already built into the format gives it far more room to grow than good ole DVD every had.

These formats are just like actors. They enjoy their celebrity for a time, and then they fade away as they age to be replaced by something younger, sexier, and generally more appealing. While there are old things that can live (like vinyl) their best years are behind them, not in front of them. Some folks minds are like that as well.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

DVD movies had a lot to offer compared to VHS. VHS quality plain sucked (both video & sound), as you already know. Not only that, DVD was more practical, compact and offered language selection and interactive menus, not to mention it wasn't backward compatible with VHS. When you think about it, there is a lot going for DVD in that a big chunk of the popultion is probably very happy with DVD as far a video quality goes, especially here in Europe where, as you said people don't have massive screens which show off high def. I'm not going to talk about sound because 90% of the consumer base won't hear or won't have the gear to exploit high def sound.

While I agree that VHS video did suck, this is a fifth quarter observation. A great majority of folks that bought into VHS did know it sucked at the time did they? Nope, they had nothing really to compare it to. Those of us who had Laserdisc at the time knew VHS sucked, because we actually had something to compare it to. The sound however was another story. VHS sound was no slouch, especially HiFi tracks. If they were not subject to the Dolby encoder/decoder, they could sound quite good actually. In my early days of recording digital audio, I used a Toshiba VCR's(with a PCM encoder) Hifi tracks as a digital backup to magnetic tape with very good results.

AA, there was a lot going for VHS when DVD hit the market. Most folks were quite satisfied with the PQ on their analog televisions at the time. Most folks believed that DVD was not even going to be as good as Laserdisc, but that proved wrong in the end. Most people did not want to re buy their movies nor buy an expensive player to play them. I might add, if people were so satisfied with DVD, then why the sales drop? And how do you explain the sales rise of Blu ray if everyone is so satisfied with DVD?

A friend of mine bought a 32" 720p screen back in 2007. We made comparison of DVD vs BR with irobot and granted, the picture was a little better but I wouldn't go as far as saying it was night and day. As for audio (something we all know so well as audiophiles), the public just isn't interested in small incremental increases in sound quality.

Now you and I both know a 720p television is not a good source for comparison to DVD. Blu rays are a 1080p encoded source that will have considerable degredation with down rezz'd to 720p. You are throwing away quite a bit of encoded information in your comparison, which gives DVD and undeserved additional advantage. Besides that, 720p televisions are at commodity prices here in America, nobody really wants them. A 32" screen is a waste of time with Blu ray resolution, you are not going to see all of the pixels of information on a screen that small. Did you follow the three times height rule for Blu ray viewing? Probably not. Following this rule does make the comparison a little more fair. 5.1 surround sound systems are almost as prevalent as DVD players in this country, it might be different in Europe though.

I'm just saying, DVD has a lot going for it. Granted, I'm already looking forward to buying BR and actually withholding DVD purchases in favour of future BR purchases, but hey, I'm not average Joe who likely (at this stage anyways) doesn't see massive benefits in buying BRs when DVDs are cheaper.

Time does not stand still. When these same people go out into the stores and find Blu ray player prices are really close to DVD player prices, what do you think they will buy - yesterday technology, or tomorrows? Studies have found that once a consumer pulls the plug on a BR player, then tend to buy less DVD's. That my friend is what is happening to DVD sales. In 2005 DVD sales experienced a 5% decline. In 2008 a full year after Bluray hit the market, those losses were close to 20%. As of last year, it was a full 25%. Bluray sales are up 76% over last year, which was up 200% from the year before. Clearly folks are moving away from DVD towards Blu ray. There will always be those left kicking and screaming away with legacy technology, but eventually they will have to move over was all of the support for the product dries up. Already three manufacturers are going to quit making DVD players with more to follow from what I am told.

Lastly, Europe is always behind this country in adopting new audio and video devices made in Japan. So it is natural that Europe is still pretty entrenched with DVD, while America is moving on to Blu ray. However, in saying that, Blu ray adoption is higher on both sides of the Atlantic than DVD was at the same time in its life span according to my NDP data, and that is thanks to the PS3.
To put even more perspective to this - Blu ray is having a faster adoption period than DVD, the CD, high-definition TV sets and several other common household technologies.

So perhaps you both may not have as wide a perspective in your own backyards that you think you do. Europe is a big place, and it does not just circle around the UK right?

[audio amateur]

VHS sound was no slouch, especially HiFi tracks. If they were not subject to the Dolby encoder/decoder, they could sound quite good actually. In my early days of recording digital audio, I used a Toshiba VCR's(with a PCM encoder) Hifi tracks as a digital backup to magnetic tape with very good results.

I'll take your word for it. I suppose the poor sound I remember is probably from re recorded tapes or recorded programs on tv.

if people were so satisfied with DVD, then why the sales drop? And how do you explain the sales rise of Blu ray if everyone is so satisfied with DVD?

I'm not saying BR sales aren't going to rise nor am I saying that DVD sales are going to drop. I'm saying DVDs are going to be around for a bit if their passing isn't forced, especially here in Europe.

Now you and I both know a 720p television is not a good source for comparison to DVD.

This is precisely my point, as you said yourself that the average screen here is smaller than they are in the US. DVD won't look as bad on a not so big screen, especially if the rez is 720p not 1080p. If I was to buy a sub 40" screen and knew I was going to be watching a good amount of standard def material, I would probably rather a 720p set over1080p.

You are throwing away quite a bit of encoded information in your comparison, which gives DVD and undeserved additional advantage. Besides that, 720p televisions are at commodity prices here in America, nobody really wants them. A 32" screen is a waste of time with Blu ray resolution, you are not going to see all of the pixels of information on a screen that small.

Again, you are reinforcing my point concerning the necessity of BR with smaller sets. On a side note, he bought the set in 2007 when prices were still fairly dear, which is why it isn't 1080p. Even today, there's probably a good proportion of 32" 720p sets vs 32" 1080p.

Did you follow the three times height rule for Blu ray viewing?

Are you refering to screen size vs. viewing distance? If yes I can tell you we weren't sitting miles away so any gain in PQ was clearly visible.

Already three manufacturers are going to quit making DVD players with more to follow from what I am told.

Despite the reported issues of DVD playback quality on BR players, I wouldn't have thought any of them are still making DVD players given the backward compatibility.

Lastly, Europe is always behind this country in adopting new audio and video devices made in Japan. So it is natural that Europe is still pretty entrenched with DVD, while America is moving on to Blu ray.

Indeed

However, in saying that, Blu ray adoption is higher on both sides of the Atlantic than DVD was at the same time in its life span according to my NDP data, and that is thanks to the PS3. To put even more perspective to this - Blu ray is having a faster adoption period than DVD, the CD, high-definition TV sets and several other common household technologies.

I'm guessing that's because BR players are backward compatible with DVDs, because of the popularity of the PS3 and because BR players are fairly cheap at this point.

So perhaps you both may not have as wide a perspective in your own backyards that you think you do. Europe is a big place, and it does not just circle around the UK right?

Actually, I can also speak for Switzerland and France as I'm there half the year. When I head back, I'll have a good look in video stores and tell you the position of BR relative to DVDs. Here, BR shelving represents maybe 20% of the total shelving (DVD + BR) in the popular high street shops. I've no doubt that figure is higher in the US.
I have however, noticed the spread of BR on such online sellers as Amazon UK. They had massive sales last Christmas, often up to 70% off on popular titles.

BTW, seeing as I can use you is there any chance you can get info on release dates for the Alien quadrilogy films in BR?

[pixelthis]

So I just went to Amazon and checked Blu Ray content..nearly 7000 titles! Impressive. Then I checked DVDs (and that excludes DVD n Blu combos) - nearly 400.000 Doesn't look like DVDs are going anytime soon

THIS is an exelent example of false logic.
You make a connection that is baseless(the number of discs out there) to how popular
and long lasting they will be, with no facts to support your supposition, and then declare it to be true, without proving anything.
Sound like a few on this board.
There were quite a few laserdiscs out there, took a year for them to leave.
Turntables are still out there, but the mass market disapeared overnight.
CAR SALES must be up , and there is a market for new cars.
Why? Every vacant lot in the country has new cars parked all over it.
Truth is one day broadband will "hatch", and hard medias' days will be numbered,
probably in months , if not days.
Also, you think that just because there are 400,000 titles out there that there is a market for that many discs.
The market is driven by demand, not by what manufacturers want to sell.
If they make too much of something, they are either stuck with it, or its freebie time.
Or they can be party poopers and burn the excess, like farmers did during the great depression.
How much of something there is has nothing to do with how long it will be around, how popular it is, or anything, really.
This is what happens when a bunch of socialist teachers, who understand nothing
about economics, try to teach it to students.
Get a book by MILTON FREIDMAN, or Harry Brown, anybody who is not a member
of the DEMOPUBLICAN party.
And when you learn basic economics, try to teach sir talky.
Then get back to me.

[klif570]

Well, they have the statistic's to prove so, and I am just guessing, but you have not conducted your study on the issue have you?

As they say, lies, damn lies and statistics.. Sometimes they are far from the truth.

I think the words With 20 per cent of the population still stuck in poverty, the report calls for sweeping reform of the tax and welfare systems under which higher earners would finance more generous, universal benefits. sums it up nicely.

Claiming benefits doesn't really mean that people live in poverty. It's different in every country, but even if you have a minimum-average salary you are in many cases still entitled to benefits in the UK. Could they define poverty I wonder? One might be poor because he doesn't have a TV, or one might be poor because he/she is a single parent and can't work.

Just to correct you on some basic misconceptions, our poverty rate is 13.2% not 15%, and the poorest in this country are not Latinos.

And here it says it's 23.8%..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty...ther_countries

I know you gotta love statistics..

My racial and cultural background would make that quite impossible.

Good to hear that

My last VCR could rewind an entire T-180 tape back in about a minute, a far cry from your 15 minute comments.

1 minute or 15, the point here is that no one liked how inconvenient VHS were..and how much more DVDs had to offer, unlke Blu Ray, which only offers higher quality.

Hyperbole is often unhelpful in these kinds of discussions.

I was emphasising the point there. And in fact, compared to DVDs they did feel like taking 15 bloody minutes..and then you find out you just rewinded the wrong side haha...

Your constant citation of 400,000 of mostly inactive titles is both misleading, and at the same time irrelevant.

Fair enough, I can compare Lovefilm with over 60.000 DVDs and over 1000 Blu Ray..

Anyway, from what I've read it seems like Blu Ray is going to conquer the States much quicker than Europe

[nightflier]

Now DVD has matured, sales are slowing, nobody is making much money from it, and it is not secure, so it is a persistant target for piracy. Everyone wants it to go away, the studios, the retailers, and the manufacturers.

If piracy indeed is so prevalent, then the inability to copy BR may be its Achilles Heel. Since DVD has been cracked, and piracy doesn't seem to go away, then there will always be room for DVD and it may never completely go away... not until HD digital content matures and that is effectively cracked. Kind of ironic really.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

As they say, lies, damn lies and statistics.. Sometimes they are far from the truth.

Yes, and sometimes they are the truth, and you have folks in denial. Every source I read pointed to 20%+ poverty rate, they all can't be lies right?

Claiming benefits doesn't really mean that people live in poverty. It's different in every country, but even if you have a minimum-average salary you are in many cases still entitled to benefits in the UK. Could they define poverty I wonder? One might be poor because he doesn't have a TV, or one might be poor because he/she is a single parent and can't work.

The reasons one is poor is pretty irrelevant in this discussion. The with 20% of the population in poverty is.

And here it says it's 23.8%..


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty...ther_countries

I know you gotta love statistics..

Wikipedia is good for static or non movement information, but when you start to quote them for stats that change from year to year, it is completely unreliable. The reliability comes when a year the stats were derived from is clearly shown. You noticed that I went directly to an online version of your local news to get my information. Wiki does not state the year those stats were from, but mine stats pretty clearly it is from 2007-2008. The 13.2% poverty rate for the US is from 2008, and here is a wiki timeline that tracks the year

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US...e_timeline.gif

1 minute or 15, the point here is that no one liked how inconvenient VHS were..and how much more DVDs had to offer, unlke Blu Ray, which only offers higher quality.

I think you missed my point. Folks do not buy products they find inconvenient, and they certainly do not buy 200 million of them world wide. Rewinding came with the turf, and frankly I never heard anyone complain about rewinding a tape since it was done automatically. The two main reasons I heard for moving to the new format was better quality, and smaller footprint when stored.

I was emphasising the point there. And in fact, compared to DVDs they did feel like taking 15 bloody minutes..and then you find out you just rewinded the wrong side haha...

I do not understand this, but okay. I didn't know there is a wrong side on VHS, the cartridge only had one way to fit in the player.

Fair enough, I can compare Lovefilm with over 60.000 DVDs and over 1000 Blu Ray..

Don't be ridiculous. 60,000 DVD titles are not active anywhere on this planet. According to my NDP report that covers world wide disc sales, only the last 100 released titles are active and generate revenue. The remaining titles basically are dormant, or selling just a small trickle of units. With Blu ray being a newer format, there are far more titles that are currently active than DVD according to my latest sales snapshot for the last quarter of 2009.

Anyway, from what I've read it seems like Blu Ray is going to conquer the States much quicker than Europe

This is par for the course for all AV formats that have been manufactured over the years, there is nothing new about this statement. DVD sales will drop quicker here, and last there, just like VHS did. VHS stayed active in Europe long after it died here in the states. DVD grew quicker in the states, and Europe was slow and last to adopt the format.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

If piracy indeed is so prevalent, then the inability to copy BR may be its Achilles Heel. Since DVD has been cracked, and piracy doesn't seem to go away, then there will always be room for DVD and it may never completely go away... not until HD digital content matures and that is effectively cracked. Kind of ironic really.

What is ironic(but predictable) is how you can screw up a perfectly good discussion with a pile of stupidity.(a really bad habit of yours)

SACD died from lack of support from the music industry, not because it could not be copied. You cannot build a format on the backs of boutique recording companies. Sony didn't really support the format with the proper post production tools until it was too late in the game.

[klif570]

Wikipedia is good for static or non movement information, but when you start to quote them for stats that change from year to year, it is completely unreliable.

Blame it on Wiki! I doubt very much those numbers were from the great depression period.

I think you missed my point. Folks do not buy products they find inconvenient, and they certainly do not buy 200 million of them world wide. Rewinding came with the turf, and frankly I never heard anyone complain about rewinding a tape since it was done automatically. The two main reasons I heard for moving to the new format was better quality, and smaller footprint when stored.

You heard? Ok, well, I heard something different.

Don't be ridiculous. 60,000 DVD titles are not active anywhere on this planet. According to my NDP report that covers world wide disc sales, only the last 100 released titles are active and generate revenue. The remaining titles basically are dormant, or selling just a small trickle of units. With Blu ray being a newer format, there are far more titles that are currently active than DVD according to my latest sales snapshot for the last quarter of 2009.

Haha, and when you're faced with facts you call me ridiculous. Fair enough, well for your information, out of those 60.000 DVDs I can rent any one I want! And my choice for Blu Ray here is just above 1000.

I think I shall leave you in your dream world..really no point in discussing anything further.

[nightflier]

What is ironic(but predictable) is how you can screw up a perfectly good discussion with a pile of stupidity.(a really bad habit of yours)

SACD died from lack of support from the music industry, not because it could not be copied. You cannot build a format on the backs of boutique recording companies. Sony didn't really support the format with the proper post production tools until it was too late in the game.

...that still doesn't change the fact that DVD is the pirate's choice. As long as piracy is such a rampant problem, DVD will remain. That is, until someone finds a better way to crack BR. That's what is so ironic.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Blame it on Wiki! I doubt very much those numbers were from the great depression period.

The water must be cold in de- nial. Even with faced with facts you are still in denial.

You heard? Ok, well, I heard something different.

Great BS move.

Haha, and when you're faced with facts you call me ridiculous. Fair enough, well for your information, out of those 60.000 DVDs I can rent any one I want! And my choice for Blu Ray here is just above 1000.

I think I shall leave you in your dream world..really no point in discussing anything further.

What facts???? You made a statement with no factual support whatsover. Sure you can rent anyone of 60,000 DVD's, but the reality is even in rentals there are not 60,000 active titles, which makes your point is misleading(I see a trend here). So your MO is to throw up a bunch of numbers and pretend that is your facts. That is pretty ludicrous, and armed with the data it borders on foolishness.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

...that still doesn't change the fact that DVD is the pirate's choice. As long as piracy is such a rampant problem, DVD will remain. That is, until someone finds a better way to crack BR. That's what is so ironic.

Two stupid statements in a row, you are on a roll chum!

[nightflier]

Why don't you just address the point instead of dismissing it with insults?

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Why don't you just address the point instead of dismissing it with insults?

You are going to have to make a point first. What you posted here does not make any sense whatsoever, and I am dis-inclined to debate any more of you stupid uneducated gut feeling, non accurate, opinions. I have wasted enough of my precious time with your senseless BS.

[nightflier]

Did you not say that piracy is a huge problem?

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Did you not say that piracy is a huge problem?

Move on, I not going to bite. I am quite frankly tired of you.

[nightflier]

So you're not going to address the point? Then what the heck are you doing here? I thought this was a discussion forum. Why don't you just grow a pair and address the point I brought up.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

So you're not going to address the point? Then what the heck are you doing here? I thought this was a discussion forum. Why don't you just grow a pair and address the point I brought up.

I already told you why, so I will make it plainer to you see you are having some difficulties. I DO NOT WANT TO DEBATE WITH YOU, YOU POINTS ARE LAME, UNEDUCATED, OFTEN STUPID AND UNIFORMED, AND I AM SICK OF YOU.

You need to clearly get this message, and stay out of my pants.

[nightflier]

I doubt others here consider the point about piracy that lame. It directly addresses your point that BR is going to be the only medium left in a very short while, which is simply not true.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

I doubt others here consider the point about piracy that lame. It directly addresses your point that BR is going to be the only medium left in a very short while, which is simply not true.

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[kevlarus]

So would I! LOL
When the content owners say they are going to be through with disc based technology after Blu ray(and have shown they mean it by developing their own system of delivery), you can pretty much bet they mean it.

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With only 7000 titles, Blu ray has a pretty long future ahead of it. Even if there are never 400,000 Blu ray titles on the market, Blu ray will do quite well. It does not have to rely on a vast amount of catalog titles to succeed, it has all these other things to bring to the table other than just titles - things that could have never been done on DVD. D-Box, 3D, 4K, high resolution music and the use of meta data extension for more audio channels already built into the format gives it far more room to grow than good ole DVD every had.

This is my issue with where the content holders are heading, vis a vis, episodes/movies downloaded to your device (blu/ps3/computer). So you have this huge storage device and X amount of movies etc. that you've bought. First, you'll need at least 2 of those devices so you can mirror them (IF the device supports that) -- if the drive ever dies (being electronic, it will at some point), you just lost all those movies. Now if the download allowed 1 copy to be burned (blu burners are just coming out now), then you get to have a physical copy to play at your leisure. I do not subscribe to the idea of a central repository of "did you buy this title" due to security concerns etc. etc. as most here should be aware.

And having DVDs around is a moot point. Writing is on the wall. Price differential between the players is dropping like a rock allowing the content producers to retire the DVD (as far as their concerned) for future releases. And, unfortunately, so many will think it cool/great to download movies over the internet. They'll prolly want to watch a copy of the HD/5.1 on their 1.25" cell phone over bluetooth or something crazy.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

This is my issue with where the content holders are heading, vis a vis, episodes/movies downloaded to your device (blu/ps3/computer). So you have this huge storage device and X amount of movies etc. that you've bought. First, you'll need at least 2 of those devices so you can mirror them (IF the device supports that) -- if the drive ever dies (being electronic, it will at some point), you just lost all those movies. Now if the download allowed 1 copy to be burned (blu burners are just coming out now), then you get to have a physical copy to play at your leisure. I do not subscribe to the idea of a central repository of "did you buy this title" due to security concerns etc. etc. as most here should be aware.

The studios are not going to support this model going forward. Keychest and DECE are streaming formats that will allow a viewer to purchase a "liscense" to view movies and televisions shows anywhere they want, on any device they want without downloading and storing it. So there is no need for big hard drives for storage or backup. If you bought a liscense for a Disney movie like Up, you will be able to watch it on cable, iphone, your Blu ray player, your computer, your mobile video device, or any other device that is capable of streaming video and audio. This is were we are headed going forward.

And having DVDs around is a moot point. Writing is on the wall. Price differential between the players is dropping like a rock allowing the content producers to retire the DVD (as far as their concerned) for future releases. And, unfortunately, so many will think it cool/great to download movies over the internet. They'll prolly want to watch a copy of the HD/5.1 on their 1.25" cell phone over bluetooth or something crazy.

You and I agree about DVD, the writing is on the wall for that format. Personally if people think it is cool to stream movies to the cell phone or mobile devices, I say more power to them, and they should be able to do it. It would not be my choice of how to view movies or televlsion programs, but for those who want it, I say they should be able to have it.

Digital sell through of movies I think it pretty dead at this point, but digital download renting is holding pretty steady.

HD is pretty useless on a 1.25" screen, there are not enough pixels in a screen that small to make HD useful.

[nightflier]

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So since you don't have a response, you resort to making animal noises? Lil't, this doesn't help you at all:

1. It's not even childish, it's animal-like. That's a new low for you.

2. It shows that when you can't argue your point you resort to petty behavior (something I've pointed out many times already)

3. It weakens the other arguments you put forth (as I've said before)

4. It makes the other posters wonder if this is how you'll ultimately respond to their posts in the end and thus stifles conversation (this is hardly what we need on this site)

5. It tarnishes your reputation (something I've warned you about as well).

6. It proves once again that you're a hypocrite (how many times will I have to point that out?)

I'm not going to resort to giving you negative marks, since that's what you would do (you certainly have taken that low road many times before). Look, you're only damaging yourself and your argument. All I'm asking is that you respond to the post. If not, then why are you here? Is it just to kill any meaningful discussion?