HDMI worse than component video

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Well, that's not entirely accurate.

You tend to use a smattering of context-dependent factoids, theory, and opinion to reach broad conclusions.It's also your M.O. to do that directly after having said something remotely sensible.

Appreciate it if you could translate your gobbledegook yourself, left my universal translator on the Enterprize

I'll give you an example: You express a distaste for Sony audio products. It is a provable fact that they have a higher than average failure rate, which you sort of cite. Further, it is the larger opinion that Sony frequently compromises sound quality in favor of supplying a gaggle of gadgets. All of this is, to a greater or lesser degree, documented so that when confronted by an opposing opinion you at least sound relatively sane.

SORRY if you misunderstood. I don't have a "distaste" for Sony audio products, just the receivers. DO SOMETHING RIGHT or don't do it at all.
Main thing is that their "ES"(elevated standard) line is presented as a cut above,
while the only thing its a cut above is Sony's line of HTIBS pretending to be
receivers. Kind of pretentious

However, by using the same logic that one company that specializes in monitors has produced inferior audio equipment necessarily means that every other company must suffer the same inadequacies is logically inconsistent.

DIDN'T SAY "MUST", just said they did

The Pioneer Kuro has consistently tested at the top of class. I've spent time with one and can assure you that those models beat the living hell out of a majority of today's models hands down...lcd, plasma, dlp, or led.

AND yet failed in the market. Good or bad, doesn't matter if it doesn't sell.

That your hatred of a specific technology makes you equate someone wo disagrees with you lower than the "village idiot" makes me question your grasp on reasoning.

You are lower than the "village idiot" if you claim not to agree with someone, then demonstrate that you haven't even read their posts. I just don't appreciate having
a bunch of statements attributed to me that I don't even believe.
Like tubes and solid state being the same. ANYBODY who has read my posts knows
how much I hate the regressive tendencies of so called audiophiles in their love of antique gear.



When you pulled the trunk on the ceramic elephant, did the light go on?

MORE nonsense.

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AND yet failed in the market. Good or bad, doesn't matter if it doesn't sell.

It did not fail on the market, and it did sell. I bought one. Pioneer PULLED it off the market when the price of panels began to fall. Pioneer is not a bottom feeder brand, which is probably why you have such little respect for its performance. As I have said many times, you are not interested in good quality performance...just cheap price.

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It did not fail on the market, and it did sell. I bought one. Pioneer PULLED it off the market when the price of panels began to fall. Pioneer is not a bottom feeder brand, which is probably why you have such little respect for its performance. As I have said many times, you are not interested in good quality performance...just cheap price.

Oh, you bought one. NEVER MIND, it was a raging success, talky bought one.
And the great maker of cheap plastic receivers is not a "bottom feeder" brand?
DID YOU MAYBE think that the reason the Kuro failed is because nobodies (except maybe you) is dumb enough to buy a 5,000 item from a company that sold out to the mass
market long ago and sells primarily sub five hundred dollar plastic gear?
AND CHEAP PRICE and quality performance are not mutually exclusive .

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AND CHEAP PRICE and quality performance are not mutually exclusive .

Is that why the Funai went back, Hershon?













(see how I did that? I used your own modus operandi against you)

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[QUOTE=bobsticks]Is that why the Funai went back, Hershon?

The Funai went "back" because I got my original player to work.
Which would you prefer, a player with an original list of 300$, or one that runs around 68 bucks?: A full chassis player of something resembling a cheap DVD player?
Obvious to me, sorry if its not to you.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Oh, you bought one. NEVER MIND, it was a raging success, talky bought one.

Your extremes are what make you such a buffoon.

And the great maker of cheap plastic receivers is not a "bottom feeder" brand?

Can you name a brand that does NOT use plastic in the construction of their receivers? Not all plastic is cheap right(wait, I don't expect an intelligent answer from you)

DID YOU MAYBE think that the reason the Kuro failed is because nobodies (except maybe you) is dumb enough to buy a 5,000 item from a company that sold out to the mass
market long ago and sells primarily sub five hundred dollar plastic gear?

Once again(we know you are intelligence challenged)..the Kuro did not fail, it was pulled off the market. Do you have the capacity to know the difference?...wait, never mind we all know the answer to that. Most every CE manufacturer has products placed at different price points using different materials to meet that price point. Pioneer is no different. Just because the same manufacturer outsources its cheaper products, and makes its own quality stuff does not mean you should dismiss that manufacturers. They ALL do it. Sharp does it, Panasonic does it, Sony does it, and Pioneer did it.

AND CHEAP PRICE and quality performance are not mutually exclusive .

Since you dwell in the former, and know nothing about the latter, excuse me if I take this comment with a bag of salt.

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Your extremes are what make you such a buffoon.

AND YOUR personality (or lack thereof) is what makes you so much fun to talk to

Can you name a brand that does NOT use plastic in the construction of their receivers? Not all plastic is cheap right(wait, I don't expect an intelligent answer from you)

This from a person who keeps harping about my lack of concern for "quality".
HOW plastic is used is key. Pioneer goes way overboard, Sony is not much better.

Once again(we know you are intelligence challenged)..the Kuro did not fail, it was pulled off the market. Do you have the capacity to know the difference?...wait, never mind we all know the answer to that. Most every CE manufacturer has products placed at different price points using different materials to meet that price point. Pioneer is no different. Just because the same manufacturer outsources its cheaper products, and makes its own quality stuff does not mean you should dismiss that manufacturers. They ALL do it. Sharp does it, Panasonic does it, Sony does it, and Pioneer did it.

It was pulled off the market because it failed, do you understand that Pioneer is not
a charity, and they like to make a profit?

Since you dwell in the former, and know nothing about the latter, excuse me if I take this comment with a bag of salt.

THIS FROM THE GREAT defender of plastic receivers
Would it kill Pioneer to use some aluminum every so often outside of their "Elite" line?.
Like below.

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AND YOUR personality (or lack thereof) is what makes you so much fun to talk to

Wow, you can tell my personality over the internet? Riiiiiight, and Treasure Island in the middle of San Francisco bay can be had for $1.42

This from a person who keeps harping about my lack of concern for "quality".
HOW plastic is used is key. Pioneer goes way overboard, Sony is not much better.

And your Integra is better? Nope, no different than Pioneer or Sony. You still don't know a damn thing about quality, and how your equipment is set up proves that.(it looks like that little fella you use at the end of your posts.....in other words GHETTO)

It was pulled off the market because it failed, do you understand that Pioneer is not
a charity, and they like to make a profit?

This disputes this silly notion from a total fool.

http://www.t3.com/news/pioneer-kuro-...-in-may?=38466

pay attention to this line if you have the capacity to do so

So why is Pioneer pulling out of plasma biz if its KURO sets are so wonderful? It’s simply a money issue. It just cost too darned much to make these stunning tellies and the profit margins to be made on rival, yet inferior, LCD technology is considerably more appealing. We always knew there would be victims to the credit crunch and with Hitachi and Panasonic scaling down their plasma business, LG threatening to back out and Pioneer abandoning it entirely, it looks like plasma’s number could soon be up.

and this

http://www.techwatch.co.uk/2009/03/2...lasmas-in-may/

It was not that it didn't sell, they did. It was the profit margins were getting to slim because of falling panel prices. The sold them alright, but they were not making enough profit to justify continued R&D on the panel. When it first came out, profit margins were very high, and they didn't have to sell that many to make money on them. As the profit margins drop, then you have to begin selling a lot more of them to justify the cost of making them. This is premium panel, not a mass market one.

THIS FROM THE GREAT defender of plastic receivers
Would it kill Pioneer to use some aluminum every so often outside of their "Elite" line?.
Like below.

Who said I was defending ANYTHING?

Your integra does not have any more aluminum in it than than a Sony receiver from their ES line. It certainly does not have any more aluminum in it than the top of the line Pioneer receiver.

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Wow, you can tell my personality over the internet? Riiiiiight, and Treasure Island in the middle of San Francisco bay can be had for $1.42

JUST when I smell the wind blowing from the west.

And your Integra is better? Nope, no different than Pioneer or Sony. You still don't know a damn thing about quality, and how your equipment is set up proves that.(it looks like that little fella you use at the end of your posts.....in other words GHETTO)

SAY that when PIONEER or SONY offers a three year warranty, gold plate plugs, 12v triggers, aluminum faceplates, etc.
AND hanging out with crackhos doesn't mean you know anything about ghetto.
You probably crap wonderbread

So why is Pioneer pulling out of plasma biz if its KURO sets are so wonderful? It’s simply a money issue. It just cost too darned much to make these stunning tellies and the profit margins to be made on rival, yet inferior, LCD technology is considerably more appealing. We always knew there would be victims to the credit crunch and with Hitachi and Panasonic scaling down their plasma business, LG threatening to back out and Pioneer abandoning it entirely, it looks like plasma’s number could soon be up.

YEP, plasmas number is up, what I HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR YEARS




It was not that it didn't sell, they did. It was the profit margins were getting to slim because of falling panel prices. The sold them alright, but they were not making enough profit to justify continued R&D on the panel. When it first came out, profit margins were very high, and they didn't have to sell that many to make money on them. As the profit margins drop, then you have to begin selling a lot more of them to justify the cost of making them. This is premium panel, not a mass market one.

why should it be? Nobodies buying one.


Your integra does not have any more aluminum in it than than a Sony receiver from their ES line. It certainly does not have any more aluminum in it than the top of the line Pioneer receiver.[/QUOTE]

PROBABLY not as much as that shopping cart you use on "can" days.
I do like the ELITE line Pioneer puts out, but put a Sony anything next to an Integra
and see which one people choose.