Denon, Yamaha or Marantz Receiver

[Woochifer]

Man, are you brainwashed! I'm not biased. I happen to think Denon, Yamaha, Onkyo, H/K, and Marantz are all equally very good units, separated by personal preference of features and price. I fail to see how the Yamahas are clearly superior to the others. They're just as good, but not any better.

They are all good units, but the reliability factor in favor of Yamaha is something I've heard from friends of mine who've worked AV sales over the years. It's not that they're incapable of building a defective unit or that the others can't build a stellar unit, it's just that Yamaha's had a more consistent track record over the years.

With all the outsourcing that's going on in the industry right now, Yamaha's one of the few companies out there that does almost all of its own manufacturing. (And they're the only one that makes their own processors and other ICs) Denon, Marantz, and h/k, among others, outsource some of their receiver models, and that's where Marantz and h/k have run into major problems on some production runs. Denon's also shifted around their outsourcing facilities the past couple of years, but I haven't heard of any problems on the order of what Marantz and h/k have encountered.

[spacedeckman]

You know Woodman is right, and basing his statements on his hands on experience. I know he's right, based on my years of hands on experience. Other people that service this stuff know he's right, based on their years of experience. That doesn't make his opinon any less valid...no wait a minute. Grampi is allowed to have any opinion he wants. It's a free country. Now give him his Metamucil, and if he behaves for the next couple of days, let him have a Viagra.

It would really hack him off if I said the Yamahas sound better too, wouldn't it. I better not go there.

Stay out of trouble Wooch

Space

[grampi]

Naw, I wouldn't be hacked. The difference in SQ is perceived, not real. IOW, it's a fig newton of your imagination.

[spacedeckman]

Everyone I've ever done a comparison to has picked the Yamaha. Saw a Yamaha rep do that once at a dealer's grand opening. $800 Yamaha against top of the line Denon, 5700 or 5800..I remember the Yamaha was RXV800 since it was $800.

I've tried it over the years since, and it always seems to work. Yamahas consistently have bigger soundstage, more open mids, and tighter bass with better definition. Even with the Denon playing noticably louder. Playing louder doesn't increase the size of the soundstage or improve imaging. If someone is around, I'll ask them what they think. They always agree. After a couple of dozen times I think it becomes a distinct possibility I may be right.

It has kind of become my "man on the street" bit if I've got time to kill in an audio store. I keep trying to get someone to tell me otherwise, but haven't had it happen yet. They don't know what is playing, and often think I'm changing speakers. This audio stuff is in my blood.

Space

Grampi, its okay if you don't agree with me. My wife doesn't very often either...I'm used to it.

[grampi]

Maybe I'm going tone deaf, but I don't hear the difference.

[bkbrian]

Everyone I've ever done a comparison to has picked the Yamaha. Saw a Yamaha rep do that once at a dealer's grand opening. $800 Yamaha against top of the line Denon, 5700 or 5800..I remember the Yamaha was RXV800 since it was $800.

I've tried it over the years since, and it always seems to work. Yamahas consistently have bigger soundstage, more open mids, and tighter bass with better definition. Even with the Denon playing noticably louder. Playing louder doesn't increase the size of the soundstage or improve imaging. If someone is around, I'll ask them what they think. They always agree. After a couple of dozen times I think it becomes a distinct possibility I may be right.

It has kind of become my "man on the street" bit if I've got time to kill in an audio store. I keep trying to get someone to tell me otherwise, but haven't had it happen yet. They don't know what is playing, and often think I'm changing speakers. This audio stuff is in my blood.

Space

Grampi, its okay if you don't agree with me. My wife doesn't very often either...I'm used to it.

FOR THE RECORD: I MANAGE A VERY WELL RESPECTED AUDIO SHOP AND WE CARRY HIGHEND COMPONENTS!!

FOR THE QUESTIONAIRE:::

Check the specs man.. check the specs on the yamaha (which is not thx certified) and check the specs on the marantz.... You will find one thing that will put mr. yamaha freak to sleep. He states BIGGER sound stage from yamaha. that bull. signal to noise ratio on yahama is 100db signal to noise ratio on marantz is 105db which in turn will give you bigger sound stage. And also marantz has alot bigger power supplies which in turn gives you bigger sound stage. Any other real answers email me at bk.brian@yahoo.com. see ya man.....