Are There any audiophiles on this forum ?

[markw]

There are outstanding speakers today.

But, by your own admission they are not new, therefore obsolete and not up to the standards by which you judge everyone else here.

They are very experience.

I certainly hope you know what you're trying to say here. Nobody else does.

Again using the car example. In 1954 Mercedes sold the gull-wing 300SL for about $7500
Today that same car came bring on average from $150,000 to $500,000.

That just means people are enthralled with it's mystique. It doesn't make it any more modern of a car. It's nice, but it's still over fifty years old and is outperformed by many newer, more pedestrian cars when using adjusted dollars. Compare it's current worth to a modern car and you'll see that it's performance lags, even to a modern Mercedes.

The Hartsfield speakers are no different , in 1954 a Hartsfield sold for about $800.00 that speaker today sells for about $18,000 to $30,000 depending on the year.

Again, that's not a measure of absolute performance. It's an arbitrary figure applied to something that, in ultimate usefulness. is overpriced.

I have the earlier model horn which was changed later to lower cost. That Hartsfield brings even more.

Well then, find someone willing to pay your asking price. and upgrade your equipment. Maybe then you can walk it like you talk it.

I listen to music everyday.

And, your point being? I'll bet you do and you even hear it when none is actually playing.

I have three other audio systems.

And, so? Actually, so do I and most likely many others here can also truthfully make that claim.

And, while you're jumping head-first into the "mine's bigger than yours" category, I don't need artificial stimulants to enjoy a happy marriage. Methinks yours is all in your head, or at least your hand.

Are you an audiophile ?

You really don't read the posts here, do you? If you did, you would realize that you're the only one that attaches any sort of importance to that title.

Face it, mel ol' buddy. You're a fraud. We all know it, but we do enjoy kicking you around.

[melvin walker]

But, by your own admission they are not new, therefore obsolete and not up to the standards by which you judge everyone else here.

I certainly hope you know what you're trying to say here. Nobody else does.


That just means people are enthralled with it's mystique. It doesn't make it any more modern of a car. It's nice, but it's still over fifty years old and is outperformed by many newer, more pedestrian cars when using adjusted dollars. Compare it's current worth to a modern car and you'll see that it's performance lags, even to a modern Mercedes.

Again, that's not a measure of absolute performance. It's an arbitrary figure applied to something that, in ultimate usefulness. is overpriced.

Well then, find someone willing to pay your asking price. and upgrade your equipment. Maybe then you can walk it like you talk it.

And, your point being? I'll bet you do and you even hear it when none is actually playing.

And, so? Actually, so do I and most likely many others here can also truthfully make that claim.

And, while you're jumping head-first into the "mine's bigger than yours" category, I don't need artificial stimulants to enjoy a happy marriage. Methinks yours is all in your head, or at least your hand.

You really don't read the posts here, do you? If you did, you would realize that you're the only one that attaches any sort of importance to that title.

Face it, mel ol' buddy. You're a fraud. We all know it, but we do enjoy kicking you around.

Make some changes , you can do better than that audio system you have !
But than you are not an audiophile.

[markw]

Make some changes , you can do better than that audio system you have !

Why? To please you? Pffttttt!

I'm perfectly content with what I currently have.

Perhaps a you can do better and improve your lonely, miserable life to a point where you aren't concerned with us? ..or at least end it.

Get used to it, old man. If you really think you're "hurting our feelings" by this audiophile nonsense, know this. We've got enough self-confidence in ourselves and out judgment to realize that you're essentially trying to knock down the walls of Jericho by spitting at it.

You're just making some of us rethink our positions on euthanasia.

But than you are not an audiophile.

Actually, you mean "but THEN...".

Are you under the impression you're insulting me when you say that? Get this old man... I never claimed to be. You're the one that's crying the blues (or classical, jazz or rock, whatever) because, by your own definition, you're not an audiophile, not us. We're just laughing at your contortions to deny admitting it to yourself, that's all.

(I see you've learned to kiss up to the moderators, eh?)

[melvin walker]

Why? To please you? Pffttttt!

I'm perfectly content with what I currently have.

Perhaps a you can do better and improve your lonely, miserable life to a point where you aren't concerned with us? ..or at least end it.

Get used to it, old man. If you really think you're "hurting our feelings" by this audiophile nonsense, know this. We've got enough self-confidence in ourselves and out judgment to realize that you're essentially trying to knock down the walls of Jericho by spitting at it.

You're just making some of us rethink our positions on euthanasia.

Actually, you mean "but THEN...".

Are you under the impression you're insulting me when you say that? Get this old man... I never claimed to be. You're the one that's crying the blues (or classical, jazz or rock, whatever) because, by your own definition, you're not an audiophile, not us. We're just laughing at your contortions to deny admitting it to yourself, that's all.

(I see you've learned to kiss up to the moderators, eh?)

I know a man who just purchased a new Honda and he is happy. If he is happy I am overjoyed. He is not a car person, no car person would buy a Honda. I hope you get my point , how ever old you are.

[markw]

I know a man who just purchased a new Honda and he is happy. If he is happy I am overjoyed. He is not a car person, no car person would buy a Honda. I hope you get my point , how ever old you are.

That would depend on what that "car person" wants, wouldn't it?

If said "car person" wanted a well built, ergonomically designed car that would get good gas mileage, and would be able to avoid repair shops like a snowman avoids the summer, he would most likely opt for that Honda.

But, if he were intent on proving his own importance and was mainly intent on impressing the neighbors and himself, and didn't mind the vehicle spending an inordinate amount of time in the shop, then he might opt for an overpriced showcase. (Pssst.... I had a Jag... once)

And, when one considers he 's not capable of driving it to it's fullest extent, that makes the purchase seem a bit more bizarre, no? That's kinda like that old geezer marrying Anna Nichole Smith, isn't it? I mean, he may get pleasure out of looking at it, maybe fondling it, and perhaps some pride in ownership, but you know he's not gonna be driving it.

Kinda like you and those fine speakers, eh? Where's your hearing stop nowadays? 8, maybe 10 kilocycles?

But, ultimately, when it comes to preforming the function for which these machines were designed, the Honda bows to no-one.

The difference between impressive and expensive are two different things entirely and a real "car person" (or audio enthusiast) knows how to discern the difference.

[emaidel]

Well, I see it's "fun and games times with Melvin" again, so I might as well add my own two cents.

My system, as I've posted previously, consists of:

Dahlquist DQ-10's (with newly rebuilt woofers by Regnar)
Definitive Technology SP-15F subwoofer
Adcom GFA-5800 amp (a Nelson Pass design)
Parasound PLD-1100 preamp (a John Curl design)
Adcom GCD-600 changer
Adcom GDA-600 D/A converter
Onkyo TA-6510 cassette deck
Akai GX-600DB reel to reel (with Dolby B noise reduction)
dbx 224s noise reduction unit (connected to both decks)
Parasound TQ-1600 tuner
Dual CS-5000 turntable
Stanton Collector's Series CS-100 Cartridge
Audio cables from Monster (Z-Series speaker cables, and digital coax), Audioquest (preamp to main amp) and Kimber silver (D/A converter to preamp) and a few other lesser known, German-manufactured high-end cables.

According to Melvin, I can't possibly be an audiophile because the only item on this list that could qualify is the Akai reel to reel, which I purchased in 1974 (it works, but not too well). Everything else, including the Dahlquists, is just too new, but he may give me extra credit for them since they were purchased in 1977 - only 2 years after his audiophile deadline.

Others have stated I'm an audiophile because I like to listen to both my system, and good music, and sought equipment based on design paramaters established by known people in the industry. That doesn't count, either. Nothing's improved since the Marantz 7C tube preamp, and his Model 9 mono amps. Never. Ever.

I'm retired and on a fixed income. I'm far from destitute, but coming by around $3k or so for a new turntable, for example, will be a lot harder now than it was years ago. So, again, I can't possibly be an audiophile, because I won't be changing my equipment again and again because the newer stuff is too "experience."

I also prefer the sound of CD's to LP's (Good God!!), especially when listening to classical music, which is my favorite kind (though I have an extensive collection of "popular" music as well). I've never heard an LP generate the expanse and depth of a large symphony orchestra and chorus, as well as the throaty sound of the brass as do many Telarc discs, and I marvel at how good most of them are. Christof Dohnanyi's rendition of Beethoven's 9th on Telarc, with the Cleveland Orchestra and Chorus is my favorite - I've got four other CD's of the 9th, as well as a couple of LP's, but none match the performance and sound of Dohnanyi's version. I think Simon Rattle has a better handle on Beethoven than most conductors, both old and new, but the sound on his EMI discs is too harsh and unpleasant for my tastes. That also disqualifies me as an audiophile, since CD's only got started in this industry in 1983 - 8 years past the "deadline."

And, even though my turntable was manufactured around 1987, it's also too new to be any good, and the Collector's Series CS-100 cartridge I'm using is a moving magnet design - just not acceptable by any audiophile.

So, I guess I'll just have to go check out my neighbor's old Magnavox console. Maybe that's audiophile stuff - it's certainly old enough!

And, I believe the drink's name is "Buttery Nipple." It consists of equal parts Bailey's Irish Creme and Butterscotch Scnopps. Very tasty!

[melvin walker]

Well, I see it's "fun and games times with Melvin" again, so I might as well add my own two cents.

My system, as I've posted previously, consists of:

Dahlquist DQ-10's (with newly rebuilt woofers by Regnar)
Definitive Technology SP-15F subwoofer
Adcom GFA-5800 amp (a Nelson Pass design)
Parasound PLD-1100 preamp (a John Curl design)
Adcom GCD-600 changer
Adcom GDA-600 D/A converter
Onkyo TA-6510 cassette deck
Akai GX-600DB reel to reel (with Dolby B noise reduction)
dbx 224s noise reduction unit (connected to both decks)
Parasound TQ-1600 tuner
Dual CS-5000 turntable
Stanton Collector's Series CS-100 Cartridge
Audio cables from Monster (Z-Series speaker cables, and digital coax), Audioquest (preamp to main amp) and Kimber silver (D/A converter to preamp) and a few other lesser known, German-manufactured high-end cables.

According to Melvin, I can't possibly be an audiophile because the only item on this list that could qualify is the Akai reel to reel, which I purchased in 1974 (it works, but not too well). Everything else, including the Dahlquists, is just too new, but he may give me extra credit for them since they were purchased in 1977 - only 2 years after his audiophile deadline.

Others have stated I'm an audiophile because I like to listen to both my system, and good music, and sought equipment based on design paramaters established by known people in the industry. That doesn't count, either. Nothing's improved since the Marantz 7C tube preamp, and his Model 9 mono amps. Never. Ever.

I'm retired and on a fixed income. I'm far from destitute, but coming by around $3k or so for a new turntable, for example, will be a lot harder now than it was years ago. So, again, I can't possibly be an audiophile, because I won't be changing my equipment again and again because the newer stuff is too "experience."

I also prefer the sound of CD's to LP's (Good God!!), especially when listening to classical music, which is my favorite kind (though I have an extensive collection of "popular" music as well). I've never heard an LP generate the expanse and depth of a large symphony orchestra and chorus, as well as the throaty sound of the brass as do many Telarc discs, and I marvel at how good most of them are. Christof Dpjmamyi's rendition of Beethoven's 9th on Telarc, with the Cleveland Orchestra and Chorus is my favorite - I've got four other CD's of the 9th, as well as a couple of LP's, but none match the performance and sound of Dohnanyi's version. I think Simon Rattle has a better handle on Beethoven than most conductors, both old and new, but the sound on his EMI discs is too harsh and unpleasant for my tastes. That also disqualifies me as an audiophile, since CD's only got started in this industry in 1983 - 8 years past the "deadline."

And, even though my turntable was manufactured around 1987, it's also too new to be any good, and the Collector's Series CS-100 cartridge I'm using is a moving magnet design - just not acceptable by any audiophile.

So, I guess I'll just have to go check out my neighbor's old Magnavox console. Maybe that's audiophile stuff - it's certainly old enough!

And, I believe the drink's name is "Buttery Nipple." It consists of equal parts Bailey's Irish Creme and Butterscotch Scnopps. Very tasty!

Most of your system is inconsistant. Not very expensive by today's standards. Parasound builds a better preamp. Your speakers Dahlquist DO10's were medium priced speakers in their day. Why not Audio Research preamp are Conrad Johnson ? New.
Maybe Mark Levinson power amps, Cary Martin power amps, new. If you must have a cassette deck , you can do better than that. Your tape recorder is a dog ! Your Turntabe
lets say cheap , how about a Linn Sondek , if you have the cash there's Micro Seiki $30,000 or a SME for $22,000. New.

But you said you were on a fixed income , I understand. I should add a LP would sound terrible on that system , no definition LP's are more detailed , CD's have greater dynamics. You wouldn't know judging by that mid priced audio system you own.
The young man from Belgium will pass you by in a few years at the rate he is moving.
My opinion.

[melvin walker]

That would depend on what that "car person wants, wouldn't it?

If said "car person" wanted a well built, ergonomically designed car that would get good gas mileage, and would be able to avoid repair shops like a snowman avoids the summer, he would most likely opt for that Honda.

but, if he were intent on proving his own importance and was mainly intent on impressing the neighbors and himself, and didn't mind the vehicle spending an inordinate amount of time in the shop, then he might opt for an overpriced showcase. (Pssst.... I had a Jag... once)

And, when one considers he 's not capable of driving it to it's fullest extent, that makes the purchase seem a bit more bizarre, no? That's kinds like that old geezer marrying Anna Nichole Smith, isn't it?

But, ultimately, when it comes to preforming the function for which these machines were designed, the Honda would bow to no-one.

The difference between impressive and expensive are two different things entirely and a real "car person" knows how to discern the difference.

There ia a car dealer in St. Louis that has a slogan we sell want ,not need. A man who buys a Honda needs a car. The man who buys a Mercedes SL500 wants a car.. There is a difference.
As for as driving a car to it's fullest , there is no need , when there is nothing to prove. A friend of mine had just bought a Ferrari Testarossa , as we were driving down the highway alone came two young men in a Corvette, they raced their motor, made faces , but he ignored them. What was there to prove ? A Corvette , a Testarossa.

One Hartsfield can feel a stadium with sound , in a large living room , one can produce standing waves. Why ? The same with a Ferrari. Why ?

One buys a Ferrari for two reasons in my opinion , one because others can't afford it and two because it is one of the finest sports cars in the world. The same with a Patek Philippe watch or a $100,000 audio system.
These people buy want not need. An item can be both impressive and expensive.

As for as Anna Nichole Smith is concern , the old fellow married her for the same reason he bought the Ferrari , most can't afford her and whoever she is , she must be beautiful.
The old fellow is both a car person and a women person.

[Groundbeef]

As for as Anna Nichole Smith is concern , the old fellow married her for the same reason he bought the Ferrari , most can't afford her and whoever she is , she must be beautiful.
The old fellow is both a car person and a women person.

Mr. Walker, are you blind? I'm not being insulting, in this instance, in this thread, right now, I'm very curious. It would explain quite a bit, the odd sentence structure, the weird verbiage, and the strange non sequiters you throw out.

If you are, I am actually feeling a bit down for you.

The reason I ask, is that Anna Nichole Smith passed away last year of a drug overdose. It would appear that you are somewhat behind in the news, and I was taken by suprise with your last question.

She was rather pretty, but had a penchent for drugs, both legal and illegal. She was highlighted in Playboy many times. Although a bit top heavy for my taste, she was attractive in her early career. Towards the end, she was a bit of a train wreck.

[Rich-n-Texas]

The old fellow is both a car person and a women person.

And dead.

[markw]

There ia a car dealer in St. Louis that has a slogan we sell want ,not need.

If so, he would be out of business. He sells what he needs to sell to make a profit.

A man who buys a Honda needs a car. The man who buys a Mercedes SL500 wants a car.. There is a difference.[/quptye]Yes. the man who buys Honda wants a Honda. MA man buys a Mercedes to impress his friends because he lacks the self-confidence to buy the plain but superior machine.

As for as driving a car to it's fullest , there is no need , when there is nothing to prove. A friend of mine had just bought a Ferrari Testarossa , as we were driving down the highway alone came two young men in a Corvette, they raced their motor, made faces , but he ignored them. What was there to prove ? A Corvette , a Testarossa.

What's there to prove? Obviously nothing. He was afraid t hey would be able to handle their "inferior" car better than yourfrield could handle his. Your friend was apparently satisfied believing that simply throwing down money makes him a superior person.

It's not the tool that does a good job, it's the workman. It would have been interesting to see who was really the better driver. Two shallow people in an expensive car outto impress themselves.

One Hartsfield can feel a stadium with sound , in a large living room , one can produce standing waves. Why ?

The same can be said about any large PA speaker. What's your point?

[QUOTE=melvin walker]The same with a Ferrari. Why ?[//quote]That's what I'm asking you but you're not getting it.

One buys a Ferrari for two reasons in my opinion , one because others can't afford it and two because it is one of the finest sports cars in the world. The same with a Patek Philippe watch or a $100,000 audio system.
These people buy want not need. An item can be both impressive and expensive.

And most are in the hands of people with too much money and not enough common sense to use them for their intended purpose. They just wantto look at them.

A lot of gangsta rap stars would fit right into your circle. They can buy and sell your tys but does that make them better than you? Well, in this case, I'd have to say yes.

As for as Anna Nichole Smith is concern , the old fellow married her for the same reason he bought the Ferrari , most can't afford her and whoever she is , she must be beautiful.
The old fellow is both a car person and a women person.

You make marrying a whore sound acceptable. Is that how your circle lives?

That explains a lot of your anger, old boy. Dunno about cars, but you can bet your bippy that if you have a pretty young wife who married you just for your money, and you can't give her what she needs (and it ain't all about $$, old man) someone else is gonna be driving her when you're not around, or sleeping.

[E-Stat]

no car person would buy a Honda. I hope you get my point , how ever old you are.

Evidently, we not only disagree as to what constitutes an audiophile, we must likewise disagree as to what constitutes a car person. I own three Honda products.

rw

[Luvin Da Blues]

I own three Honda products.

Does this mean that your not a true audiophile then.

[E-Stat]

Does this mean that your not a true audiophile then.

Well, he has not as yet critiqued my systems, but I fear that will be the case.

rw