Are There any audiophiles on this forum ?

[melvin walker]

I enjoy it immensely. Currently I am listening to one of the LSO Live recordings. This one is Beethoven Symphony No. 3 "Eroica" and Bernard Haitink conducting.

By the way Melvin I do not retaliate if someone does not like me or my system. I can easily seperate my personal feelings from the job of moderator. Or at least seperate my feelings from my actions as a moderator.

I enjoy discussing audio. I asked the question are you happy ? If you are happy with your audio system than you are not an audiophile .
Audiophile don't listen to music they listen to equipment and are very rarely happy with their equipment.
You have excellent musical taste.
I have several recording of Beethoven's 3rd Symphony. Eroica is my favorite Beethoven.,
alone with his 9th. All of my Beethoven's are on Lp.

[JohnMichael]

I enjoy discussing audio. I asked the question are you happy ? If you are happy with your audio system than you are not an audiophile .
Audiophile don't listen to music they listen to equipment and are very rarely happy with their equipment.
You have excellent musical taste.
I have several recording of Beethoven's 3rd Symphony. Eroica is my favorite Beethoven.,
alone with his 9th. All of my Beethoven's are on Lp.

Maybe I am an audiophile since all my equipment excepting the turntable are only months old. Now if I am still happy a year from now then maybe I am not an audiophile.

[basite]

I enjoy discussing audio. I asked the question are you happy ? If you are happy with your audio system than you are not an audiophile .
Audiophile don't listen to music they listen to equipment and are very rarely happy with their equipment.
You have excellent musical taste.
I have several recording of Beethoven's 3rd Symphony. Eroica is my favorite Beethoven.,
alone with his 9th. All of my Beethoven's are on Lp.

then where's the fun?

you buy a car to enjoy it.

You buy audio equipment to enjoy it.

agreed, you'll want good audio equipment. but if no audiophile enjoyed his/her system, then what would it be like?

There are very few things better than coming home from a busy day and just dropping yourself in your chair, putting on some music and enjoying it.

I enjoy the music. I enjoy my gears, I enjoy looking at them, hearing them and even touching them. but according to you I'm not an audiophile because I like music?

Then what do you do? Listen to friggin test tones all day long, just to see your already dried out caps in your equipment aren't gone completely yet?

maybe it's time to analyse the word 'audiophile'.

it actually comes from latin. Audio philia. Which stands for 'friend of audio'. Audio, audio is often defined as 'hearable sound'. So, literally seen, an audiophile enjoys hearable sound. The hearable sound is sometimes also defined as 'sound between 20hz and 20khz, for humans'. our definition then becomes 'an audiophile enjoys sounds between 20hz and 20khz, the hearable frequencies for the human kind.

Then, to achieve to listen to these frequencies, one needs good audio equipment (Gears). but litteraly seen, it doesn't even mention the word gears. logically seen it says you need good equipment (audiophile grade, but this refferation is often misused, so I'll just name it 'good equipment'), but you don't nessecarily have to enjoy them.

This, is just another faulty (although somehow correct too) definition of 'what is an audiophile'. Just to prove your definition, stolen from some book made in the 50's is wrong too.

One cannot define what an audiophile is, but you certainly seem to take it too litteraly.

Keep them spinning,
Bert.

[melvin walker]

then where's the fun?

you buy a car to enjoy it.

You buy audio equipment to enjoy it.

agreed, you'll want good audio equipment. but if no audiophile enjoyed his/her system, then what would it be like?

There are very few things better than coming home from a busy day and just dropping yourself in your chair, putting on some music and enjoying it.

I enjoy the music. I enjoy my gears, I enjoy looking at them, hearing them and even touching them. but according to you I'm not an audiophile because I like music?

Then what do you do? Listen to friggin test tones all day long, just to see your already dried out caps in your equipment aren't gone completely yet?

maybe it's time to analyse the word 'audiophile'.

it actually comes from latin. Audio philia. Which stands for 'friend of audio'. Audio, audio is often defined as 'hearable sound'. So, literally seen, an audiophile enjoys hearable sound. The hearable sound is sometimes also defined as 'sound between 20hz and 20khz, for humans'. our definition then becomes 'an audiophile enjoys sounds between 20hz and 20khz, the hearable frequencies for the human kind.

Then, to achieve to listen to these frequencies, one needs good audio equipment (Gears). but litteraly seen, it doesn't even mention the word gears. logically seen it says you need good equipment (audiophile grade, but this refferation is often misused, so I'll just name it 'good equipment'), but you don't nessecarily have to enjoy them.

This, is just another faulty (although somehow correct too) definition of 'what is an audiophile'. Just to prove your definition, stolen from some book made in the 50's is wrong too.

One cannot define what an audiophile is, but you certainly seem to take it too litteraly.

Keep them spinning,
Bert.

Enjoy , than you are not a hobbyist. I remember one sunny afternoon I was enjoying an E-type Jag roaster , than alone came a BMW 2800CS. after he had almost destroyed that Jag , I went home with my tail between my legs and called the local Porsche dealer.
Got 'em. Now I was happy again , so I thought.
Than there was the newer Porsche , more power , than a Mercedes 500 , more room and now a 12 cylinder BMW , now underpowered.

What's next ? depends on the money. Books printed in the 1950's I wonder when the bible was printed ? Do you read the classics's? I am sorry you don't read.
Please forgive me.

[basite]

What's next ? depends on the money. Books printed in the 1950's I wonder when the bible was printed ? Do you read the classics's? I am sorry you don't read.
Please forgive me.

I read, I also read hifi magazines like Stereophile, and TAS, but I don't always perceive what they write as 'right', just because someone wrote something in a book (the definition of what is an audiophile, for example), doesn't nessecarily mean this is true. It's just another opinion.

the bible was probably just an opinion too, it has never been proven and probably never will.

The bible was first spoken btw, then writtten, probably completely different from what was said in the first place, and since then, everything has been changed. They've printed it since they could, also, probably with a completely different contents as originally spoken.

I don't exactly know what you mean with 'classics', I read what I like, and what I don't like I don't read. I don't read things like 'the one and only guide to audiophilia', because all it contains is just another opinion, which I probably won't agree with. Guides to reaching something is almost always personal. Perceiving those books as the one and only truth is giving up that part of your own personality, and replacing it with someone else's. If that really happened, and you'd take it to the extreme, you'd be ending with Karl Marx's theory.

But sure, I definately read, where else do you think I've gotten my English skills? I could speak and read English before we even got it at school. I read books. I read the internet, I listen to the radio and watch television.

Keep them spinning,
Bert.

[basite]

Enjoy , than you are not a hobbyist. I remember one sunny afternoon I was enjoying an E-type Jag roaster , than alone came a BMW 2800CS. after he had almost destroyed that Jag , I went home with my tail between my legs and called the local Porsche dealer.
Got 'em. Now I was happy again , so I thought.
Than there was the newer Porsche , more power , than a Mercedes 500 , more room and now a 12 cylinder BMW , now underpowered.

yes, I agree that there is always more and better.

But the moment you were driving the jag. You enjoyed it. Why? because you hadn't driven the BMW yet. You also enjoyed driving the BMW, and you liked it better than the jag. and you want to try more and better. But that does not mean you didn't like the cars when you first drove them.

I wouldn't buy something expensive if I wouldn't enjoy it. If the rolls royce was the only car I could enjoy, then I'd save for the rolls, and skip the rest.

Just like I did now. I could have settled with a rotel poweramp, or a parasound, or a NAD, I could have. But I liked the Mcintosh more, and I knew it would be much better and it'd be hard to find better given the budget. I bought the Mcintosh, and I enjoy it. I know there are better Mcintoshes, and other better gears, but I cannot afford them yet, If I can, and I feel the need for 'better', I will upgrade again.

Point is that you enjoy something you have too. If you've kept the jag, and you would never have driven something else, you will enjoy the jag.

I enjoy my mcintosh (duh, name 2 other kids with a Mcintosh...), I enjoy my thiels too, I know that there is better, and I crave for better. But I am 'happy'.

I should be proud of what I have, and you should be too, just like everyone else.

With my system I have achieved things many people wouldn't achieve before they're 40 or so. And I know that there is better, and I want better, but I am happy now too.

As I've said before, there is always better. the possibility to upgrade will always be there, it's up to you to draw the line until where you want to go.

Keep them spinning,
Bert.