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Originally Posted by Hyfi
Did those numbers sound familiar?
I re-watched the episode last night w/my wife
The combo to the safe was 36-15-28
I don't remember "the numbers" Are these some of them?
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4 - 8 - 15 - 16 - 23 - 42
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I have been watching the Lost threads for a while, and while I never watch television at home, I decided to rent the first episode of the first season to see what all of the hoopla was all about. When I finish, I will report to you guys if I become an addict like all of you guys are(12 step program anyone?) LOL
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Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible
I have been watching the Lost threads for a while, and while I never watch television at home, I decided to rent the first episode of the first season to see what all of the hoopla was all about. When I finish, I will report to you guys if I become an addict like all of you guys are(12 step program anyone?) LOL
We will be here with our big white rabbit friend waiting for you Sir T...you'll be back...you can't escape.
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Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible
I have been watching the Lost threads for a while, and while I never watch television at home, I decided to rent the first episode of the first season to see what all of the hoopla was all about. When I finish, I will report to you guys if I become an addict like all of you guys are(12 step program anyone?) LOL
I look forward to your insights Sir T. You would be a welcome addition to this discussion.
Warning: Becoming a Lost addict may cause severe side effects including dizzyness, headaches, sleeplessness, and lost productivity (especially on days following a new Lost episode).
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Mwha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible
I have been watching the Lost threads for a while, and while I never watch television at home, I decided to rent the first episode of the first season to see what all of the hoopla was all about. When I finish, I will report to you guys if I become an addict like all of you guys are(12 step program anyone?) LOL
(Basso Profundo aka James Earl Jones voice)
"Abandon hope oh "Lost" one. "
"Thou art surely doomed!"
"Once entered one leaveth not from the land of the Lost."
"Thy soul is ours.... Mhwa ha ha ha ha ha......"
In other words..."Resistance is futile." "Assimilate, assimilate."
Da Worfster
PS good to see ya back.
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Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible
I have been watching the Lost threads for a while, and while I never watch television at home, I decided to rent the first episode of the first season to see what all of the hoopla was all about. When I finish, I will report to you guys if I become an addict like all of you guys are(12 step program anyone?) LOL
We'll miss you. Try not to be Lost for too long.
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Ben is "exactly where he wants to be" because he's already been there, done that. He's found a way to control the island's dominion over time. Whether it's time travel or bending time, he is a master manipulator because he has seen the outcome before anyone else. Desmond and, to some extent, Locke have been exposed to this. The question is how does Jacob factor into all this? Ben considers Locke a direct threat because, so far, he is the only other person that can hear Jacob.
BTW, how cool would it be if Jacob was actually some form of residual memory of a future Locke? In other words, Locke discovered his future self telling hime to "Help Me"? Get the hamster running on that one, kiddies!
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Now the writer's are just screwing with us. A flash forward and a flash back in the same episode? And really, Jin's flash back had no real purpose that I could see other than to lead us to believe that he was on the way to see Sun. Which, quite frankly, I was questioning anyhow. If Sun called him to say that she was going to the hospital, he wouldn't have stopped to buy a bear...twice!
At least one question was answered for me. I was wondering how Micheal and Walt could leave the island and go back to civilization. The world would have known by then that they were on the plane. So if everyone on the plane is dead, how could Michael and Walt just show up? But if they returned with new names and identities then perhaps they could return somehow. Like Ben's own little Witness Protection program. So, Ladies and Gents I introduce you to Kevin Johnson.
It'll be interesting to find out what actually happened to Michael and Walt when they left the island.
Of course the lingering question is where's Waldo...er...I mean...Walt.
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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
At least one question was answered for me. .
And Jin dies, and their baby lives.
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Originally Posted by GMichael
And Jin dies, and their baby lives.
But here's the really interesting questions. When, where, and how does Jin die?
We've been led to believe that the Oceanic Six are:
Jack
Kate
Aaron
Sayid
Hurley
Sun
Jin is buried in Korea so he got off the Island...or, at least, his body did. But where does he fit into the Six? Is he one of the two people that allegedly dies? At Kate's hearing Jack says that there were originally eight survivors but ultimately only six of the eight survived. Are the two that died Jin and Claire? Or maybe, Aaron isn't considered one of the Oceanic Six because, technically, he wasn't a passenger on the plane. Maybe Jin is one of the Six and dies after they get back home.
We know from Sun's pregnancy that last night's flash forward was appoximately seven months later. She made a point of telling Miles that she was two months pregnant, and since her baby wasn't pre-mature, we can assume a seven month lapse.
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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
But here's the really interesting questions. When, where, and how does Jin die?
We've been led to believe that the Oceanic Six are:
Jack
Kate
Aaron
Sayid
Hurley
Sun
Jin is buried in Korea so he got off the Island...or, at least, his body did. But where does he fit into the Six? Is he one of the two people that allegedly dies? At Kate's hearing Jack says that there were originally eight survivors but ultimately only six of the eight survived. Are the two that died Jin and Claire? Or maybe, Aaron isn't considered one of the Oceanic Six because, technically, he wasn't a passenger on the plane. Maybe Jin is one of the Six and dies after they get back home.
We know from Sun's pregnancy that last night's flash forward was appoximately seven months later. She made a point of telling Miles that she was two months pregnant, and since her baby wasn't pre-mature, we can assume a seven month lapse.
Jin's body? I didn't see his body. Just a tomb stone.
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On their way to Jin's grave last night, when Sun said that no one else would be coming, Hurley said "good". That to me points to some kind of falling out between the O-6. Why else would he be please that no one was joining them? Unless he was referring only to Jack, whom we saw he has a strained relationship with.
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One of the best things about last night's episode was the fabulous chemistry between Jin and Sun. While you can sense the tension between Jack/Kate/Sawyer or Jack/Juliet, Sun and Jin are the only "couple" that actually feels like a couple. Sun's graveside moment was one of the more honest...if that's the correct term...I've seen on the show.
As far as the story, it wasn't rife with "WTH?!?" moments like previous episodes. Jin stated that he would do everything in his power to get Sun and the baby off the island. My guess is that "everything" includes sacrificing his life, perhaps in the battle alluded to in the preview for next week. I doubt it (the writers would never make it that obvious), but you never know.
One question raised is who planted the fake Oceanic 815? Whitmore says it's Ben. Ben says it's Whitmore. Ben's spy (which we now know is Michael) says don't believe the Captain and while Whitmore may be a ruthless businessman, has he done anything in the past that would lead us to believe he's that brutal? Ben is a mass murderer, so we know he's deranged, to say the least. Both apparently have the resources, so which is it? Hmmm...
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One question raised is who planted the fake Oceanic 815? Whitmore says it's Ben. Ben says it's Whitmore. Ben's spy (which we now know is Michael) says don't believe the Captain and while Whitmore may be a ruthless businessman, has he done anything in the past that would lead us to believe he's that brutal? Ben is a mass murderer, so we know he's deranged, to say the least. Both apparently have the resources, so which is it? Hmmm...
I say it's Ben...see post #33.
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Full kudos to my buddy Groundbeef who predicted Jin waaaaaaay back as the next Lostie to get offed.
Good episode. I kinda like how the writers give us 2 or 3 big WTF shows, then a simple, yet emotional side story for a week. Good way to shake things up.
The date on Jin's monument...did anyone catch it? 2004?
Did we establish that the Tempest was NOT a power plant for the island, and in fact only a death gas factory?
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I think that at this point Jin dying is off the table. All signs are pointing to it,but I don't see it happening just yet.
And here's why.
1. Hurley wanted to know if anyone else was coming. It would have been uncomfortable enough being at the "grave" site grieving for someone that wasn't dead. Sun may feel that she is unable to retun to the island, thus, Jin is "dead" to her. Jack wants to get back. If Jack were at the gravesite, it would only incite Sun to also demand to Hurley they need to go back.
2. See portions of above. By visiting the gravesite, it is a red herring for next week. According to the world, only 6 survivors are alive. Little difficult talking about the rest unless they are "dead". Who knows what deal was struck to bring them back home.
I think it will be someone of little consequence that dies next week. More than likely the Red Hair lady (Red shirt anyone?).
JIN IS ALIVE!!!!
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Wtf
Why did Sayid turn Michael over to the Captain? Did he not "get" that doing that might kill everyone on the island? Was he just blinded by rage at Michael's traitorous tendencies?
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Leverage my son... leverage....
By turning Mike over to the Captain Sayid gains the man's 'trust", temporarily thwarts whatever plans Ben might have in mind and he gets to stand back and watch his two opponents beat the crap out of one another. All of this helps him get what he really wants which is the hell off that Island.
So we learn that somebody planted that fake plane. Losties say it's Boss man and his grubbers, but I ain't so sure. We learn that Penny's dad wants the island and everyone one on it DEAD!!!!!! Nice folks so who really started that gas explosion was it Ben or the Grubbers trying to gain the trust of the Losties.
When did the girl get told that whats her name was her mother? Is mom dead? I doubt it. You know the Islands healing ways and she's been there way too long to go out like that. Also Ben just betrayed his daughter again? Killed her boyfriend and her mum on purpose, because she "belongs to him" like the doc?
If the guys on the boat work for Penny's Dad, who the f**k does Ben work for? The descendants of the Island original inhabitants is my gues. Unlimited power, money and resources. Interesting.
Da Worfster
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So we learn that somebody planted that fake plane. Losties say it's Boss man and his grubbers, but I ain't so sure. We learn that Penny's dad wants the island and everyone one on it DEAD!!!!!! Da Worfster
The helicopter pilot, as well as the "other" now in the city, told Michael that it was Penny's dad who planted the fake plane, so it would follow to reason that Penny's dad would need to kill all the survivors (on his way to 'obtaining' the island) as a follow-through to that hoax.
An interesting thing happened to me last night. For a moment, I found myself empathizing with Ben. Wouldn't it be a f**king fantastic feat of messing with our heads if, when all this was over, us viewers were rootin' for Ben?
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Originally Posted by Worf101
By turning Mike over to the Captain Sayid gains the man's 'trust", temporarily thwarts whatever plans Ben might have in mind and he gets to stand back and watch his two opponents beat the crap out of one another. All of this helps him get what he really wants which is the hell off that Island.
So we learn that somebody planted that fake plane. Losties say it's Boss man and his grubbers, but I ain't so sure. We learn that Penny's dad wants the island and everyone one on it DEAD!!!!!! Nice folks so who really started that gas explosion was it Ben or the Grubbers trying to gain the trust of the Losties.
When did the girl get told that whats her name was her mother? Is mom dead? I doubt it. You know the Islands healing ways and she's been there way too long to go out like that. Also Ben just betrayed his daughter again? Killed her boyfriend and her mum on purpose, because she "belongs to him" like the doc?
If the guys on the boat work for Penny's Dad, who the f**k does Ben work for? The descendants of the Island original inhabitants is my gues. Unlimited power, money and resources. Interesting.
Da Worfster
1st. The lady that was killed was Ruesso (sp?) AKA "The French Woman". I think that she is dead. People do die on the island. There is no idication that people that have in fact "died" didn't die. Charlie is dead. The brother and sister duo are dead, as is Anna-Lucia, the bounty hunter that was in charge of Kate, Hurleys lover, and most of the talies.
I don't think that Ben is setting up his daughter. I think that for some reason she is "special" and Ben doesn't want harm to come to her. It's not the first time he has extended himself to sheild her from harm.
2nd. I think Ben works for the island. As weird as that sounds, I think he has an interest in keeping it a secret. Havent out why, just a hunch.
3rd. Sayid later is shown working for Ben. This runs counter to your argument above. I think he handed Micheal over because he doesn't understand the real reason the boat is where it is. Sayied has more history, and relationships with the remaining survivors. If he really felt that they were in harms way, he wouldn't be turning over Micheal. His distrust of Ben however, I think is getting in his way of seeing the bigger picture. He has it in is mind that Ben=EVIL that turning over Micheal isn't seen as a danger.
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The helicopter pilot, as well as the "other" now in the city, told Michael that it was Penny's dad who planted the fake plane, so it would follow to reason that Penny's dad would need to kill all the survivors (on his way to 'obtaining' the island) as a follow-through to that hoax.
Lapidus (helicopter guy) didn't say that Penny's Dad planted the plane. He said that the plane was a fake and that Penny's Dad believed him. Remember, he knew that the pilot of 815 that was shown on the news was not the real pilot (no wedding ring). He thinks that Widmore believes him and wants to help find the real plane. Well, he's half right. Widmore wants to find the real plane, but not for the reasons that Lapidus thinks.
We still don't know what happened to Michael and Walt between leaving the Island and getting back to New York. Michael's mother said that she can't tell anyone that Michael and Walt are alive and can't call them by their real names. So, Mike and Walt are keeping secret their real identities as 815 survivors. But why? They obviously weren't in cahoots with Ben yet. So why lie about who they are and where they've been for the last two months?
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When did the girl get told that whats her name was her mother?
When the Losties were heading up to the radio tower and Ben tried to stop them. Rousseau was with the Losties and Ben told Alex, "meet your mother".
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Is mom dead? I doubt it. You know the Islands healing ways and she's been there way too long to go out like that. Also Ben just betrayed his daughter again? Killed her boyfriend and her mum on purpose, because she "belongs to him" like the doc?
We don't know for sure who shot Karl and Rousseau. But I think that more importantly than Ben possibly betraying his daughter, is his daughter's betrayal of Ben by standing up and declaring herself as Ben's daughter with the intent of turning him in to save herself. Sure she's just a scared kid, but a kid who loved and trusted her father wouldn't do that.
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Sayid later is shown working for Ben. This runs counter to your argument above. I think he handed Micheal over because he doesn't understand the real reason the boat is where it is. Sayied has more history, and relationships with the remaining survivors. If he really felt that they were in harms way, he wouldn't be turning over Micheal. His distrust of Ben however, I think is getting in his way of seeing the bigger picture. He has it in is mind that Ben=EVIL that turning over Micheal isn't seen as a danger.
I agree with this opinion. Sayid doesn't trust Ben. And he certainly has no reason to trust Michael. Michael killed two people and shot himself, then turned four of his "friends" over to Ben and sailed away leaving his four "friends" tied up with shot guns pointed at their heads. Why the hell would Sayid believe anything that Michael says?
Ben has been nothing but trouble for the Losties since they met him. Sayid probably thinks that Ben is using Michael to thwart the rescue mission and that by turning Michael in, the rest of the Losties are more likely to be rescued. At this point, he has no problem throwing Michael or Ben to the dogs if it will help them all get home faster.
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Was Walt's Grandmother the same lady that the ghostbuster dude visited a few shows back?
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She couldn't be....
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Was Walt's Grandmother the same lady that the ghostbuster dude visited a few shows back?
Ghostbuster met her BEFORE he went on the boat, the same boat as Mike. Mike expected a call from Walt while on the boat, the same time ShangHai Ghostbuster is on the Island ergo, Walt was not the dope dealer killed and exorcised by G.B.
Da Worfster
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