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ooooo so maybe the Numbers is the Constant? the numbers link that crazy dude in Hurley's psych ward back and forth from his own past and future.
ok just rambling, stream of consciousness again.. lol
My wife must be tuned to the same mental frequencies you are...she just told me the numbers have something to do with Course Correction and all the fate/coincidence we're seeing here...seems plausible.
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Originally Posted by kexodusc
My wife must be tuned to the same mental frequencies you are...she just told me the numbers have something to do with Course Correction and all the fate/coincidence we're seeing here...seems plausible.
Just think how weird it would have been in season 1 if they had found a Flutterscotch instead of a Polar Bear.
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A very interesting article that includes a comparison of Lost to The Empire Strikes Back. There's no spoilers, just lots of speculation.
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20182393,00.html
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Okay - I thought there were suppose to be NO more flashbacks - everything was a flashforward?
That said, it was pretty interesting to see a bit of Juliet's story.
That Ben is one aweful, derranged nutbar. "You're mine" Holy abusive relationship, Batman.
As for Juliet...whore!
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Okay - I thought there were suppose to be NO more flashbacks - everything was a flashforward?
That said, it was pretty interesting to see a bit of Juliet's story.
That Ben is one aweful, derranged nutbar. "You're mine" Holy abusive relationship, Batman.
As for Juliet...whore!
LOL. Poor Juliet. Brought to the island under false pretenses (6 months, huh?). Falls in love with a married man (who can blame her, Goodwin was pretty handsome), and then has nutbar, stalker Ben to deal with. "Because you're mine." :yikes: This woman only wanted to help people have babies but what a fine mess she got herself into.
No big surprise that Penny's daddy is the man behind the freighter. I think that we were all expecting that one. And it may help to explain why Penny knows about the island.
But here's what I don't understand. Why did Ben want Juliet to kill Faraday and Charlotte? The gas would have been released and everyone on the island would presumably have died. But what would that solve? The freighter still knows where the island is. Widmore could still get to it and exploit it. What would killing everyone solve? Unless, the gas is a cover-up for something bigger. Like first the gas kills everyone and then the island blows up. Or the gas lingers so that the island become uninhabitable. Or it closes the wormhole so that no-one can get in. Or something.
AND...how did Faraday and Charlotte know about the gas? How did they know where to find it and how long they had to stop it?
AND...when will Locke learn? He's so desperate for answers that he's willing to do just about anything to get them. He just keeps selling his soul to Ben over and over and over again.
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LOL. Poor Juliet. Brought to the island under false pretenses (6 months, huh?). Falls in love with a married man (who can blame her, Goodwin was pretty handsome), and then has nutbar, stalker Ben to deal with. "Because you're mine." :yikes: This woman only wanted to help people have babies but what a fine mess she got herself into.
No big surprise that Penny's daddy is the man behind the freighter. I think that we were all expecting that one. And it may help to explain why Penny knows about the island.
But here's what I don't understand. Why did Ben want Juliet to kill Faraday and Charlotte? The gas would have been released and everyone on the island would presumably have died. But what would that solve? The freighter still knows where the island is. Widmore could still get to it and exploit it. What would killing everyone solve? Unless, the gas is a cover-up for something bigger. Like first the gas kills everyone and then the island blows up. Or the gas lingers so that the island become uninhabitable. Or it closes the wormhole so that no-one can get in. Or something.
AND...how did Faraday and Charlotte know about the gas? How did they know where to find it and how long they had to stop it?
AND...when will Locke learn? He's so desperate for answers that he's willing to do just about anything to get them. He just keeps selling his soul to Ben over and over and over again.
My favorite of the night:
Sawyer"What the hell are you doing"
Ben"See you at dinner time boys"
Laughed out loud. Ben is pretty creepy though.
Not sure about the gas. I think he wanted to kill all of 815. Then there are no survivors, hence "No miracle". No one survived the crash. Locke cant talk about being able to walk. The cancer is gone from Bernice's wife etc.
I think Ben had a gas mask hidden somewhere. And I think he has visions like Desomond. Only he can control them better.
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Only he can control them better.
My wife said the same thing a few weeks ago. At first I thought no way, but now I think you both may be right. It's limited in its usefulness but it would come in handy.
"Ben is exactly where he wants to be".
Hmmm.
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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
But here's what I don't understand. Why did Ben want Juliet to kill Faraday and Charlotte? The gas would have been released and everyone on the island would presumably have died. But what would that solve? The freighter still knows where the island is. Widmore could still get to it and exploit it. What would killing everyone solve? Unless, the gas is a cover-up for something bigger. Like first the gas kills everyone and then the island blows up. Or the gas lingers so that the island become uninhabitable. Or it closes the wormhole so that no-one can get in. Or something.
Faraday and Charlotte know to much and are threats. Ben wants them dead. Simple as that. Plus, he probably had an idea that they were going to destroy his gas weapon.
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AND...how did Faraday and Charlotte know about the gas? How did they know where to find it and how long they had to stop it?
Remember last week - that book from the Black Rock belonged to the estate of Dr. Hanso...who I believe was heavily involved in the Dharma Initiative. They obviously have some information about the island.
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AND...when will Locke learn? He's so desperate for answers that he's willing to do just about anything to get them. He just keeps selling his soul to Ben over and over and over again.
Lock is patient - following Ben is his best way to get more answers. The back and forth game of who's using who continues.
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O6 or O7?
So last night in the trailer for next week's episode, it said we'd find out who the final "Oceanic Six" are (is?).
So far, during the flash-forwards we've seen six people from the island.
Ben
Sayid
Jack
Hugo
Kate
Erin
Who are they not counting? and why? Likely it's Ben, huh? He'd likely slither back to the mainland unknown. But it could be Erin depending on what pretenses he was brought back to the mainland. And what about Claire? Oh, I wish I had the time travel thing down myself.
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So last night in the trailer for next week's episode, it said we'd find out who the final "Oceanic Six" are (is?).
So far, during the flash-forwards we've seen six people from the island.
Ben
Sayid
Jack
Hugo
Kate
Erin
Who are they not counting? and why? Likely it's Ben, huh? He'd likely slither back to the mainland unknown. But it could be Erin depending on what pretenses he was brought back to the mainland. And what about Claire? Oh, I wish I had the time travel thing down myself.
Who else here thought that the opening scene last night was a flash-forward and that Juliet was off the island and seeing a therapist? When Juliet talked about not wanting to be a celebrity, I was thinking that she was one of the Oceanic 6 and wondering how, when her name was not on the manifest. I'm sure that's what the writers wanted me to think. Anyone else make that same mistake?
Brett, I don't think that Ben counts (and welcome to the Lost thread!).
Oh, AND what the hell was with with Ben saying to Locke that he would tell him who Ben's man on the boat was but NOT TELLING US! Although I didn't think so at first, I'm convinced now that it's Michael.
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Lock is patient - following Ben is his best way to get more answers. The back and forth game of who's using who continues.
Locke is patient, but not a mental match for Ben. Ben is much better at the subtle art of manipulation. Locke isn't nearly as crafty, nor intellegent. He is good at the short game (ie short term gain, at the expense of the long term consequences).
Ben however looks down the road (like a chess game) and is constantly 2-3 moves ahead of Locke. His off hand comment of "I always have a plan" was right on the money.
Locke may have gotten the "information" that he thought he needed. But what did Ben really give up? Nothing really. And now he has Sawyer, and Hurley second guessing Locke. He is an expert at subterfuge, and confusion.
Locke doesn't stand a chance. Although luck does play a part (he didn't die when shot etc). I think Ben will win the day.
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Who else here thought that the opening scene last night was a flash-forward and that Juliet was off the island and seeing a therapist? ... Anyone else make that same mistake?
Yep, I did.
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Brett, I don't think that Ben counts (and welcome to the Lost thread!).
I figure as much too, but it's better (and more fun) not to feel too safe in my assumptions. (and it's good to be here)
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Oh, AND what the hell was with with Ben saying to Locke that he would tell him who Ben's man on the boat was but NOT TELLING US! Although I didn't think so at first, I'm convinced now that it's Michael.
I think Michael is the man on the boat also. last nights trailer said we'd be surprised at who we'll see next week.
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Locke is patient, but not a mental match for Ben. Ben is much better at the subtle art of manipulation. Locke isn't nearly as crafty, nor intellegent. He is good at the short game (ie short term gain, at the expense of the long term consequences).
Ben however looks down the road (like a chess game) and is constantly 2-3 moves ahead of Locke. His off hand comment of "I always have a plan" was right on the money.
Locke may have gotten the "information" that he thought he needed. But what did Ben really give up? Nothing really. And now he has Sawyer, and Hurley second guessing Locke. He is an expert at subterfuge, and confusion.
Locke doesn't stand a chance. Although luck does play a part (he didn't die when shot etc). I think Ben will win the day.
Locke's got a strong character and will to survive. He's focused. Cunning. That will can easily overcome the knowledge and resource advantage Ben has had. It already has. Bit by bit, things are going badly for Ben. And despite his best efforts, Locke keeps thwarting his plans.
Ben doesn't stand a chance. He won't go down without a fight, but there's something about Locke that scares him. It's just a matter of time.
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Locke's got a strong character and will to survive. He's focused. Cunning. That will can easily overcome the knowledge and resource advantage Ben has had. It already has. Bit by bit, things are going badly for Ben. And despite his best efforts, Locke keeps thwarting his plans.
Ben doesn't stand a chance. He won't go down without a fight, but there's something about Locke that scares him. It's just a matter of time.
No, we haven't seen Locke off Island. We have seen Ben, and he looked pretty good. I think Ben will either kill him, or somehow neuter him. Locke is just another pawn in Ben's game.
Something in Locke may scare Ben, but he will still be able to use Locke, and Locke will NEVER have the upper hand on Ben. Locke only thinks he is controlling Ben. Clearly he isn't.
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No, we haven't seen Locke off Island. We have seen Ben, and he looked pretty good. I think Ben will either kill him, or somehow neuter him. Locke is just another pawn in Ben's game.
Something in Locke may scare Ben, but he will still be able to use Locke, and Locke will NEVER have the upper hand on Ben. Locke only thinks he is controlling Ben. Clearly he isn't.
Ben's off the Island cause Locke has conquered it and banished him....duhhhh.
Actually, I think Locke just stays behind voluntarily. Ben might escape with his life, maybe even a spot on the island, but he's not beating Locke.
Locke's already said many times the Island is his home. Ben's just keeping it warm for him...for now.
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I think Michael is the man on the boat also. last nights trailer said we'd be surprised at who we'll see next week.
I hope I'm not spoiling anything for anyone but the March 20th episode is Micheal-centric.
But...will we really be surprised to see Michael next week? Speculation that Michael is the man on the boat is all over the 'net. I'm starting to think that it's a red herring...
So, just for fun...who else could be on the boat that we'd be surprised to see.
Mikeal (Patchy), the man who never dies?
Tom (Mr. Friendly), not really dead after-all?
Walt as an adult (if time on the island really is different).
Charlie (after all, he was also seen by another patient in Hurley's loony-bin, whereas no-one else ever saw Dave)?!
A few more thoughts as I mull over this idea of it NOT being Micheal.
Before Ben tells Locke, he says, "you'd better sit down". Like the answer is going to be so shocking that Locke will need to be sitting. Would that be the case if it were Michael? Michael already did Ben's bidding once by killing AL and Libby and turning in Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley. Damn, he even shot himself in the arm to make it more convincing. So would Locke be so suprised to find out that Micheal is working for Ben on the boat?
That's it, I'm changing my vote back to thinking that it's not Michael.
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I hope I'm not spoiling anything for anyone but the March 20th episode is Micheal-centric.
But...will we really be surprised to see Michael next week? Speculation that Michael is the man on the boat is all over the 'net. I'm starting to think that it's a red herring...
So, just for fun...who else could be on the boat that we'd be surprised to see.
Mikeal (Patchy), the man who never dies?
Tom (Mr. Friendly), not really dead after-all?
Walt as an adult (if time on the island really is different).
Charlie (after all, he was also seen by another patient in Hurley's loony-bin, whereas no-one else ever saw Dave)?!
A few more thoughts as I mull over this idea of it NOT being Micheal.
Before Ben tells Locke, he says, "you'd better sit down". Like the answer is going to be so shocking that Locke will need to be sitting. Would that be the case if it were Michael? Michael already did Ben's bidding once by killing AL and Libby and turning in Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley. Damn, he even shot himself in the arm to make it more convincing. So would Locke be so suprised to find out that Micheal is working for Ben on the boat?
That's it, I'm changing my vote back to thinking that it's not Michael.
I swear to God it had better not be Wilford Brimley. He was in coccoon remeber. So he has some experience with otherworldly activity...
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Does anyone know who Juliet looks like from Ben's past?
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Does anyone know who Juliet looks like from Ben's past?
No. But if I had to guess I would say either his mother, or that little girl that he became friends with when he first came to the island.
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No. But if I had to guess I would say either his mother, or that little girl that he became friends with when he first came to the island.
Whatever happened to that little girl? She was the only person to be nice to him.
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No. But if I had to guess I would say either his mother, or that little girl that he became friends with when he first came to the island.
Remember in season 3, Ben says Juliet bears a striking resemblance to Jack's ex-wife?
Does she also bear a resemblance to Ben's friend?
Maybe that's who's on the boat...Jack's ex-wire. How'd THAT be for a plot twist.
Bah Bah Bah BUUHHHHMMMMM!
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Whatever happened to that little girl? She was the only person to be nice to him.
We were left to believe that she was gassed with the rest of the Dharma people. But we have no firm evidence of that...
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So, just for fun...who else could be on the boat that we'd be surprised to see.
Maybe these guys?
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What about the combination to the safe?
Did those numbers sound familiar?
Maybe it's Walt on the boat.
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ya know i still like how they'll keep going back to events we've seen (the plan split) and reveal more and more and more information slowly about it.
this show is like one giant rashoman.
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