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Originally Posted by Worf101
My observations.
3. I told the ole lady that if Ben smiles when he walks away, he killed Sayid's wife. Bingo. But Sayid's not stupid enough to trust Ben as far as he can throw him. He's siding with Ben until he can find out who/what's been pulling the strings for the last 8 years. Then I've no doubt he'll put two between Ben's Baby Blues.
5. Jack's way too tortured for the appearence of his Dad to have sent him that far off the deep end. Also I think puddin' sewed something up in Jack that's NOT supposed to be there, that's why Kate had to leave.
6. Maybe Hurley's right, maybe they are all dead and they were never supposed to get out of purgatory.
Da Worfster
3. Ben didn't kill Sayid's wife. He just wants to have him on his side to do the dirty work.
5. Good thought, but don't forget Bernard was in the tent as well. He is too ethical to allow something like that to happen to Jack and not speak up. He was an army medic or something like that, so he would be able to monitor the surgery without allowing something like that to be inserted into Jack.
6. Wrong. The writers have already stated on the record that they are not dead. Good theory, but wrong.
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Wow Worf, those are some interesting theories! I especially liked 4 and 5. I'll have to mull those over for a while.
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3. Ben didn't kill Sayid's wife. He just wants to have him on his side to do the dirty work.
5. Good thought, but don't forget Bernard was in the tent as well. He is too ethical to allow something like that to happen to Jack and not speak up. He was an army medic or something like that, so he would be able to monitor the surgery without allowing something like that to be inserted into Jack.
6. Wrong. The writers have already stated on the record that they are not dead. Good theory, but wrong.
I tend to agree with Worf that Ben is somehow tied to Sayid's wife's death. It wasn't a coincedence that he had a picture of her alleged killer.
I think that Juliet could talk Bernard into doing something to Jack if she could convince him that it was somehow for the greater good. I hadn't really given any thought to why she was so insistent that Kate leave, but now that Worf's brought it up I agree that there must have been a reason...which I'm sure we'll find out before this series is over.
Yeah, no purgatory. Maybe they all have Ghostbuster Myles sixth sense though.
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I tend to agree with Worf that Ben is somehow tied to Sayid's wife's death. It wasn't a coincedence that he had a picture of her alleged killer.
I think that Juliet could talk Bernard into doing something to Jack if she could convince him that it was somehow for the greater good. I hadn't really given any thought to why she was so insistent that Kate leave, but now that Worf's brought it up I agree that there must have been a reason...which I'm sure we'll find out before this series is over.
Yeah, no purgatory. Maybe they all have Ghostbuster Myles sixth sense though.
Well, I'm not going to discount that somehow he was involved in the killing, but I don't think he did the actual deed.
I still am not sure about Juliet putting something in Jack. This might be a case of us just wanting to see something that didn't happen. Either way, I still don't think that Bernard would be in on the deal.
And it could be that she is as much a control freak as Jack. Jack wanted Kate there, Juliet didn't. They are "competing" for the affection of the same guy, and Juliet just used the opportunity as a power play.
Or maybe Kate just needs a shower. Maybe she smelled funny, and Juliet couldn't concentrate.
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WTF? So Dr. Richard Bright Eyes is Locke's Dad? Or is he? They never actually came out and said that he is. But he's always around and he never gets older. Who the hell is this guy, Randall Flagg?
And how about Abbadon as Locke's orderly? John is definately on that island for a reason. He's been right about that all along.
So, here's my new theory. Christian has been to the Island before. That's why he became a drunk back in the real world. And now Jack is totally following in his footsteps. It's no coincidence that Jack and Claire are both on the island. Christian somehow was called back to the island and he made sure that both of his children would be there with him. What I don't know yet is why.
If they move the Island, that would explain why the Oceanic 6 aren't easily able to go back to it and rescue the rest of the Losties. They don't know how to get back.
But here's the big question of my evening...when Christian says that they have to move the Island. Does he mean that they have to move the physical location? Or does he mean that they have to move it in time?
I'm rambling assorted thoughts as I write this. If they have to move it in time...and assuming that Christian has been there before...that could explain two things. First, why Christian has returned to the island. Perhaps he was there once and left. The Island was moved into the future and he had to wait until time passed and he was part of that same future before he could go back. Secondly, if he died in the real world and the Island is, say, six months earlier, he could un-die.
Does any of that make sense?
What makes absolutely NO sense to me is Claire leaving Aaron behind...and not even looking upset about it. I have an alternate theory which is that Christian is still dead and Claire died when Christian came to get her. They're both ghosts. But that theory just seems too cheesy to me. I prefer my theory that Christian came back to life.
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WTF? So Dr. Richard Bright Eyes is Locke's Dad? Or is he? They never actually came out and said that he is. But he's always around and he never gets older. Who the hell is this guy, Randall Flagg?
And how about Abbadon as Locke's orderly? John is definately on that island for a reason. He's been right about that all along.
So, here's my new theory. Christian has been to the Island before. That's why he became a drunk back in the real world. And now Jack is totally following in his footsteps. It's no coincidence that Jack and Claire are both on the island. Christian somehow was called back to the island and he made sure that both of his children would be there with him. What I don't know yet is why.
If they move the Island, that would explain why the Oceanic 6 aren't easily able to go back to it and rescue the rest of the Losties. They don't know how to get back.
But here's the big question of my evening...when Christian says that they have to move the Island. Does he mean that they have to move the physical location? Or does he mean that they have to move it in time?
I'm rambling assorted thoughts as I write this. If they have to move it in time...and assuming that Christian has been there before...that could explain two things. First, why Christian has returned to the island. Perhaps he was there once and left. The Island was moved into the future and he had to wait until time passed and he was part of that same future before he could go back. Secondly, if he died in the real world and the Island is, say, six months earlier, he could un-die.
Does any of that make sense?
What makes absolutely NO sense to me is Claire leaving Aaron behind...and not even looking upset about it. I have an alternate theory which is that Christian is still dead and Claire died when Christian came to get her. They're both ghosts. But that theory just seems too cheesy to me. I prefer my theory that Christian came back to life.
Hmmm, yeah, the whole Claire thing was unexpected - but seems that Aaron is going to play a prominent role in future plots. Probably like we all expeted Walt to 3 years ago.
Randall Flagg? The dude from The Stand?
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Randall Flagg makes his first appearance in The Stand (one of the best books I've ever read IMO). But then appears in other subsequent Stephen King books. I'm starting to feel some similarities here.
I don't think that we're done with Walt yet. Maybe Walt and Aaron are the future Ben and Locke.
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Randall Flagg makes his first appearance in The Stand (one of the best books I've ever read IMO). But then appears in other subsequent Stephen King books. I'm starting to feel some similarities here.
I don't think that we're done with Walt yet. Maybe Walt and Aaron are the future Ben and Locke.
What's Richard's last name? Most of the Flagg characters have the initials "R.F."...we've got an "R" and we know there's a lot of ties to King's work on the show...could it be a subtle nod to author/fan of the show?
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What's Richard's last name? Most of the Flagg characters have the initials "R.F."...we've got an "R" and we know there's a lot of ties to King's work on the show...could it be a subtle nod to author/fan of the show?
LOL. I thought of that too. I went onto IMDB to look up my Dr. Brighteyes. And it turns out that his real last name isn't Brighteyes at all, but Alpert. No F to be found.
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What's Richard's last name? Most of the Flagg characters have the initials "R.F."...we've got an "R" and we know there's a lot of ties to King's work on the show...could it be a subtle nod to author/fan of the show?
It's been a while since I have read the Stand (GREAT BOOK), but I seem to remember the Crimson King playing a big part as well.
Randal Flagg also shows up in the Tower series as well. That is a great series by King if you haven't read them yet.
Something goofy is going on, that is for sure.
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Well...
Welp, I was right about one thing. They can move the Island both in space and time. Now, was the guy in the cabin with Claire, her and Jack's dad? I didn't recognize the guy. I'm surprised ole Smokey didn't kill all the mercs.
Theory Time.
1. They successfuly moved the Island hence Ben's comment to Whidmore that he'll never find it and Jacks inability to get back there as well.
2. Walt's Dad's gonna somehow save the lives of some losties and thereby redeem himself.
3. Both sides have been coming at Locke over the the course of his life. Both the "others" and the "grubbers" (Ben's folks and Whidmore's) know that he is something special. Both groups have been trying to predict his path and steer it, hence the whole "which of htese belongs to you" query. Locke's trying to exercise "free will" but I don't know how much he really has in this case.
4. The island will use you up. Look at Ben. He's no longer the Island guardian so now he's of on a vendetta to kill Penny. Probably when she's in Desmond's arms.
5. Locke might be smart enough to save the Island without being a total prick like his predecessor.
6. Clare was killed during shock and awe, but the Island kept her alive long enough to meet Daddy.
Enough musings I gotta go to work.
Da Worfster
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And the numbers finally reappear!
So is Oceanic involved in the cover-up? Or did Widmore arrange for the cover-up before Oceanic was brought into the picture?
This is all getting very interesting and I think that there will be more than a few dead Losties before the season is over. But if both Jin and Desmond bite the dust on the freighter, I'm going to be one very unhappy viewer. There goes the eye candy!
I loved, let me say that again LOVED, Sun buying Daddy's company. That was brilliant! What a gal.
According to Sledgeweb's site, the two hour season finale is in TWO WEEKS. WTH is going on this week?
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Hmmmm, wonder what we can expect from Ensign Ro in all of this?
I get the feeling there's something fishy going on with Oceanic too, like they're part of the cover up or something.
I thought Sun buying the company was pretty cool - how much money did they make? And what will she do with her new wealth and power?
Kinda cool to see Jack meet Claire's mom.
Just thinking back - remember when that psychic dude Claire visited said she had to take her baby to LA? There would be nice people there to take care of him? - Guess Aaron sort of ended up in LA after all huh? Wonder if I'm reading too much into that...
Is the Orchid the last Dharma station to be revealed to us?
Is it just me or does anyone else get the feeling the Sawyer is the next to die?
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Just thinking back - remember when that psychic dude Claire visited said she had to take her baby to LA? There would be nice people there to take care of him? - Guess Aaron sort of ended up in LA after all huh? Wonder if I'm reading too much into that...
Oh, that's an excellent observation! I don't think that you're reading too much into that at all.
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Is it just me or does anyone else get the feeling the Sawyer is the next to die?
That will break my heart. But I think that you're right and I think that he dies to save Hurley's life. He's definately developed a big ol' soft spot for "Jabba". But he won't die before asking Kate for a 'favour'. I just hope that there isn't a big sappy love scene. I couldn't stand that.
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That will break my heart. But I think that you're right and I think that he dies to save Hurley's life. He's definately developed a big ol' soft spot for "Jabba". But he won't die before asking Kate for a 'favour'. I just hope that there isn't a big sappy love scene. I couldn't stand that.
That would be a gutsy move....
Yeah, the big sacrifice scene is what I'm expecting. I bet Sawyer is in everyone's top 3 characters and I don't know if the show would work well without him. I hope he's not. Kill Bernard or Jin instead. Even Juliet. She can go.
They could pull a swerve where he stays behind to help the remaining losties or helps move the island or something - he and Locke have some weird karma together I think.
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That would be a gutsy move....
Yeah, the big sacrifice scene is what I'm expecting. I bet Sawyer is in everyone's top 3 characters and I don't know if the show would work well without him. I hope he's not. Kill Bernard or Jin instead. Even Juliet. She can go.
They could pull a swerve where he stays behind to help the remaining losties or helps move the island or something - he and Locke have some weird karma together I think.
I don't think EITHER Jin/Desmond/Sawyer Die.
Here is why. Next season will be about the 6 trying to get back. Meanwhile, Jin/Desmond/Sawyer need to hold down the fort. Not to mention that I'm pretty sure all of them want to leave. At least Desomond. So I think it will be how they deal with being "left behind".
All in all, it was a pretty good episode though.
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I don't think EITHER Jin/Desmond/Sawyer Die.
Here is why. Next season will be about the 6 trying to get back. Meanwhile, Jin/Desmond/Sawyer need to hold down the fort. Not to mention that I'm pretty sure all of them want to leave. At least Desomond. So I think it will be how they deal with being "left behind".
All in all, it was a pretty good episode though.
In retrospect, I think that you're right.
Last night, when Sun was asked about her husband, it looked like she had trouble lying about him dying when the plane crashed. I would think that if your husband is dead, lying about how it happened would not be a big deal. But if your husband is alive, then lying about his death would be difficult. Also, she seemed pretty together when discussing his death. If he made it to the freighter and then died on it, just before she's rescued, I think that she'd be far more emotional.
Desmond will survive because he has to be reunited with Penny...the real love story of Lost...and then protect her from Ben (my prediction).
Sawyer will live and choose to stay on the Island. He still has no reason to return to the real world and being on the Island gives him a purpose. He and Locke will work together to save the Island and everyone on it. They've bonded ever since Locke turned over his Daddy to Sawyer.
Here's the problem with my nice little scenerios predicted above. Desmond will be reunited with Penny and will be her protector. Sawyer will stay on the island. But if Jin isn't dead then where is he? Not one of the Oceanic 6...not on the Island...then where?
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In retrospect, I think that you're right.
Last night, when Sun was asked about her husband, it looked like she had trouble lying about him dying when the plane crashed. I would think that if your husband is dead, lying about how it happened would not be a big deal. But if your husband is alive, then lying about his death would be difficult. Also, she seemed pretty together when discussing his death. If he made it to the freighter and then died on it, just before she's rescued, I think that she'd be far more emotional.
Desmond will survive because he has to be reunited with Penny...the real love story of Lost...and then protect her from Ben (my prediction).
Sawyer will live and choose to stay on the Island. He still has no reason to return to the real world and being on the Island gives him a purpose. He and Locke will work together to save the Island and everyone on it. They've bonded ever since Locke turned over his Daddy to Sawyer.
Here's the problem with my nice little scenerios predicted above. Desmond will be reunited with Penny and will be her protector. Sawyer will stay on the island. But if Jin isn't dead then where is he? Not one of the Oceanic 6...not on the Island...then where?
I think the ship DOES blowup. But Desmond, and Jin escape. Micheal however, DOES NOT. The scientist/red head may die...as well as the other Losties brought back.
His purpose for surviving was to blow up the ship. However, now that his friends are onboard, he will attempt to abort the mission, but will die in the process.
Thats my snap prediction.
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I think the ship DOES blowup. But Desmond, and Jin escape. Micheal however, DOES NOT. The scientist/red head may die...as well as the other Losties brought back.
His purpose for surviving was to blow up the ship. However, now that his friends are onboard, he will attempt to abort the mission, but will die in the process.
Thats my snap prediction.
The red-headed chick stayed back on the island. I did notice, however, that as the Zodiak pulled away from the beach one of the unknown Losties who got on board was wearing a red shirt. You just know that person's a goner. LOL.
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Interesting episode...
Hmmmm...
1. The Oceanic 6 are the only survivors right? Only about 6 folks can fit on that dingy or in that chopper.
2. Has to be the dingy cause the chopper pilot didn't make it back (so far as we know).
3. Jin, Michael and Desmond all "buy it". But in Lost there's dead, and then there's DEAD! One eye dies all the time but he ain't DEAD. I'm surprised Rouseau and Ben's daughter are DEAD. So they might die and not DIE if you catch my drift.
4. Some of these losties are truly immortals but it seems to be a select few. Curious.
5. Oceanic Airways MUST be owned lock stock and barrel by James Whidmore and buds.
6. They paid the 6 a boat load of money to "shut up" about their real experiences so as to not have anymore folks looking for the fountain of youth. Could you imagine what the military would do to get thier hands on some of that stuff on the Island?
7. I'm still betting on aliens.
Da Worfster
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5. Oceanic Airways MUST be owned lock stock and barrel by James Whidmore and buds.
6. They paid the 6 a boat load of money to "shut up" about their real experiences so as to not have anymore folks looking for the fountain of youth. Could you imagine what the military would do to get thier hands on some of that stuff on the Island?
I agree that Widmore has something to do with the “settlement” that the O6 received. Oceanic Air wouldn’t have that kind of money. According to the Oceanic Air web site back in 2004, they ceased operations after the disappearance of flight 815. Couple that with the trouble that all airlines had and are having after 9/11 and there’s no way that Oceanic Air could pay off 6 people to the extent that they must have for Sun to be able to afford Daddy’s company.
I don’t think that money would be enough to keep Jack and Hurley quiet. There has to be another reason. Jack is just too moral for money to be his motivation to lie about people who need saving. And Hurley doesn’t want the money. He wants nothing to do with money, plus he already has hundreds of millions. Money won’t be a motivator there.
There’s another reason why those two, at least, are holding their tongues.
My theory is that somehow Penny is behind it. Whatever Widmore is up to, Penny is in on it. The O6 trusted Desmond and Desmond trusted Penny. Therefore, the O6 feel that they can trust Penny. She has somehow convinced them that it is very important for them to hide the truth.
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Just thinking back - remember when that psychic dude Claire visited said she had to take her baby to LA? There would be nice people there to take care of him? - Guess Aaron sort of ended up in LA after all huh? Wonder if I'm reading too much into that...
I was discussing this comment of yours with a friend at work and we were trying to remember exactly what the psychic said to Claire. I went to the ABC website to look up the episode recap. What I found most interesting about it wasn't what the psychic said, but what Locke said to Claire during her nightmare...
Claire wakes to the sound of a baby crying, opens her eyes and looks down to find that she's no longer pregnant. She follows the cries to find Locke, sitting at a desk in the middle of the jungle. He relays a cryptic message to Claire-"He was your responsibility, but you gave him away. Everyone pays the price now." Then he looks up and Claire sees that one eye is light, the other dark.
You can read the full recap here if you want to.
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I was discussing this comment of yours with a friend at work and we were trying to remember exactly what the psychic said to Claire. I went to the ABC website to look up the episode recap. What I found most interesting about it wasn't what the psychic said, but what Locke said to Claire during her nightmare...
Claire wakes to the sound of a baby crying, opens her eyes and looks down to find that she's no longer pregnant. She follows the cries to find Locke, sitting at a desk in the middle of the jungle. He relays a cryptic message to Claire-"He was your responsibility, but you gave him away. Everyone pays the price now." Then he looks up and Claire sees that one eye is light, the other dark.
You can read the full recap here if you want to.
Creepy.
I wonder if Claire losing Aaron is some weird sort of "course correction" or fate or whatever that the show's had as a major theme since inception?
I wonder how they keep track of all this stuff. They must have a archivists recording each fact and testing every new script against prior doctrine just to maintain consistency...hmmm, how does a Lost junkie get a job like that?
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Creepy.
I wonder if Claire losing Aaron is some weird sort of "course correction" or fate or whatever that the show's had as a major theme since inception?
I wonder how they keep track of all this stuff. They must have a archivists recording each fact and testing every new script against prior doctrine just to maintain consistency...hmmm, how does a Lost junkie get a job like that?
Nahh, remember, LOST isn't an open-ended drama. It has a defined end point, so that makes the story writing much more linear. No need to "invent" things as time goes on, because they are writing to the conclusion.
This is how ALL drama's should be written. Every show has a defined end point. Keeps the interest, because everyone knows it can't really lose its way.
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Creepy.
I wonder if Claire losing Aaron is some weird sort of "course correction" or fate or whatever that the show's had as a major theme since inception?
I wonder how they keep track of all this stuff. They must have a archivists recording each fact and testing every new script against prior doctrine just to maintain consistency...hmmm, how does a Lost junkie get a job like that?
Claire's daddy, Christian, can speak on behalf of Jacob. So he obviously has something very powerful to do with the island. Aaron is Christian's grandson.
We have a psychic telling Claire that she must raise the baby herself. Then we have John telling her in a dream that everyone has to pay the price because she gave him away. Another indication that she should be raising Aaron (and, little did we know at the time, some serious foreshadowing)? But then Christian lures Claire away to the cabin and allows Claire to leave Aaron behind.
So whose side is Christian on anyway?
Things are getting very eery.
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