mtrycraft,

Actually, there's a lot of proof. Again, it's a matter of people actually looking them up.

As for your claims of having to believe something, that is why I put "belief" in quotes, to state exactly the contrary.

Back to the matter of proof:

Vaccines alone:
- ammonium sulfate (can be poisonous to gastrointestinal (GI), liver, nerve and respiratory function)
- beta-propiolactone (some links to cancers, also GI, liver, respiratory, skin and sensory organ danger)
- viral DNA
- latex rubber (commonly known to cause allergic reactions, and that's only topical, not intraveinous)
- monosodium glutamate (commonly called MSG, it's a neurotoxin)
- aluminum (linked to brain damage)
- formaldehyde (embalming fluid, linked to leukemia, brain, colon and lymphatic cancers, among other problems)
- micro-organisms (not saying these are entirely bad, they're much the reason vaccines exist... however what worked for polio is STILL being used, and turns up on bone, lung lining, brain tumors and lymphomas)
- polysorbate 80 (has caused cancers in animals)
- tri(n)butylphosphate (kidney and nerve toxin)
- glutaraldehyde (birth defects in tested animals)
- gelatin (some allergic reactions reported)
- gentamicin sulfate & polymoxin B (antibiotics, with mild to fatal reactions common)
- mercury (one of the more poisonous substances known--minute amounts cause nerve damage... many cases of autism in children linked to mercury in vaccinations, especially in recent media)
- neomycin sulfate (epilepsy, mental retardation, allergic reactions vary)
- phenol/pneoxyethanol (antifreeze)
- human & animal cells (human cells from aborted fetal tissue... pig/horse blood, rabbit brain, guinea pig, dog kidney, cow heart, monkey kidney, chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg, calf secrum, sheep blood, etc.)


You offer no proof. Media reports are nothing more than testimonials unless you have actual Journal citations in them, credible ones.


There are entire legions of parents getting away from vaccinations,

Proof of gullibility, mass hysteria, stupidness.

thousands of whom have had children fall ill as a direct result of unnecessary vaccination, pushed by doctors.

Thousands of children fall ill. You have no proof of your cause and effect. Perhaps coffeee should be banned. After all, how many drivers in car accidents had coffeee that morning?

Yet most parents don't know that many state laws allow for a choice.

Proves nothing except ignorance.


Hundreds of children die every year due to these things.

Prove it. Thousands die in cars, swimming pools, homes, etc.

I was at a seminar once, where a former Marine went in to teary detail of the drug rounds he had to receive prior to going overseas in Desert Storm. He nearly died from the reactions.

Maybe he did. Maybe it was something else? So you throw out the baby with the bathwater?


Under certain circumstances, caution is necessary--however overzealous usage leads to what he went through.


Most likely. So you do the above?

The drugs and some symptoms are matters of public record, obtained mostly through medical research (from NEJM, JAMA and other widely-respected healthcare resources).

I suppose then you don't have anyone use it because there are known side effects? How about the side effect of no vaccination? Dying of the desease?




This particular list I copied down from a handout given at various healthcare institutions.
Tedd Koren, DC is a major moving force in chiropractic and the truth about some of modern medicine's failings. www.korenpublications.com

So he is a reliable source? Based on what research? Holistic research?

Honestly I could sit here for six hours and spout of sources,


And that would make your last citation better than the first one? Oh, yes, the first is not worth the paper it was typped on.

but I'm busy watching Law&Order with my wife. Good two-hour special.

Please enjoy it. That is more worthwhile than this.


Koren's site is one of the most useful sources for objective views on things the public simply hasn't been aware of, unless they did a lot of digging on their own.


Well, that is your biased opinion, of course as you accept it, hook line and sinker.

In the 1970s, the medical profession tried to debunk chiropractic in the high court, based on nothing but superficial claims that chiros are charlatans.

Depends on what they preach. Childrens spinal manipulation, anti vaccination, anything similar, then the shoe fits.


Naturally, they lost.


I seriously doubt this whole account of the issue. Citations please. I would be interested how the truth gets distorted.


As for Koren, his information is definitely stirring, and has challenged structure for many years.

Of course. That is why he is still an alternative issue.

He's been sued by several people, including the federal government, for similar unsubstantiated claims. They all lost.

That is his story of course.

For the simple fact that the claims against him had no basis in fact, but I'd love to meet his lawyers.

LOL. No basis in fact


If I get run over by a truck, you'd damn well better bring me to the ER to get my **** sewn back on.

Why? Can't a chiro fix you up?

I do take allergy medication when I really need to.

Oh, cannot be met by a chiro or homeopathic medication? Doesn't work?

I'm not an extremist by any measure, when it comes to this.


You just pick and choose untill you need the real mccoy, right?

Just a messenger for the obvious,


No, a messenger for the unproven, unsupportable.

Every healthcare field deserves its place.

Yes, and chiro over steps its boundary all the time because their boundary is so restrictive otherwise.


Chiropractors might take slack for bringing this info in the open, but they were just one of the only major forces to do so.


No different from the audio guys


If it had been a team of plumbers, so be it. The facts would still be there.

No facts there for either.

My belief is this:

Belief? Or you know?

Usually, symptoms do subside, as the cause of the problem is found.


Many go away by itself, such as a cold symptom when it runs its course, right?

They're one of the only remaining practices, in western healthcare at least, that has an ounce of belief in the body's ability to heal itself (which is rather what it was intended to do).

How do you know what was intended to do? Were you on the design team?
Yes, colds do go away by itself. Some cancers go to remission too, etc.


You absolutely do not need to pop a pill for every sniffle.


You are right. But it is the 21st century and an society of instant this, instant that.


But you sure as hell wouldn't believe that, based on the TV-loaded advertisements pushed forth by the pharmaceutical companies, who of course sell through doctors.

Oh, please. You mean this business practice is unique to medicine?


Chiropractic was the first official profession to look to the spine for the CAUSE of dis-ease.

That is unfortunate.

Since the brain controls every function of the body, and its only pathway is via the spinal cord to all the nerve endings which touch every cell you possess, one would think somebody bloody well ought to be teaching preventative maintenance of such an important structure.

Of course, if you believe this is necessary. Would be better if one knew for a fact.

After all... dentistry had its share of naysayers, yet now nobody would even dare go to sleep without brushing, and visiting for a cleaning twice a year.

Flouride has nothing to do with kids having zero cavities? Why twice a year? No more drilling, got to make it up some other way, right?

And that's just a few external bones. Never mind the structure that maintains the entire human frame.

Yes, of course, it is the spines fault. All those stupid doctors.