Speaker Wire Developments in last 10 years? Need advice.

[Hyfi]

No. There are also people you classify as naysayers who attempt to understand why cables possibly could have an effect. Most of the explanations given just don't make the grade. The lack of a viable explanation certainly doesn't make it impossible, but most scientific types can't get past the fodder presented as science.

I have no issues with nay sayers that have actually tried for themselves and just post that. My problem is when people who have never tried for themselves just start spouting off about what they have read and believe.

If a person who seriously believes that there are no differences in sound between ANY 2 cables jumps into a thread and claims that anyone who does think they hear a difference is an idiot, and they have never tried it themselves with a system transparent enough to display the differences, then I have a problem.

If the non believer chimes into a thread like this and says "from everything I have read, along with personal attempts with my own system, I cannot hear a difference and do not believe they exist" then that is an appropriate response, not that I am an idiot and have wasted all my money and so on.

Non belief is no less of a religion than those who do believe.

Again tho I will state that I have not played around with enough Speaker Cable to have a strong belief one way or the other but I do own ICs that alter the sound depending on the components connected to as well as where in the chain they reside.

You don't have to believe it, and maybe if I demonstrated it in my home you would not hear it. And that is fine too because at that point, you would have actually tried as opposed to just repeating whatever you have read and believed up to that point. Then you could post about your real world experience instead of quoting or paraphrasing what others have written, and a lot of times without actually trying it out first.

[jneutron]

You don't have to believe it, and maybe if I demonstrated it in my home you would not hear it. And that is fine too because at that point, you would have actually tried as opposed to just repeating whatever you have read and believed up to that point. Then you could post about your real world experience instead of quoting or paraphrasing what others have written, and a lot of times without actually trying it out first.

Is your use of the word "you" directed at me, or is it being used generically at those you classify as "naysayers"? A term I abhor btw, as well as that of yaysayer..

jn

[Hyfi]

Is your use of the word "you" directed at me, or is it being used generically at those you classify as "naysayers"? A term I abhor btw, as well as that of yaysayer..

jn

Yes, it was a direct response to the section you responded to with quoted text from my previous post. I was responding to your reply to ME.

[jneutron]

Yes, it was a direct response to the section you responded to with quoted text from my previous post. I was responding to your reply to ME.

Ah, ok. It seemed as though you were classifying me as a naysayer.

You said"

You don't have to believe it, and maybe if I demonstrated it in my home you would not hear it. And that is fine too because at that point, you would have actually tried as opposed to just repeating whatever you have read and believed up to that point. Then you could post about your real world experience instead of quoting or paraphrasing what others have written, and a lot of times without actually trying it out first."

The point where you talk about quoting or paraphrasing doesn't apply to me, so that was where my confusion lies.

cheers,

jn

[Hyfi]

Ah, ok. It seemed as though you were classifying me as a naysayer.



The point where you talk about quoting or paraphrasing doesn't apply to me, so that was where my confusion lies.

cheers,

jn

From your responses, it does not imply you on one side of the fence or the other. In the off chance you were just doing what Smokey tried two weeks ago, I responded the way I did.

If you have tried rolling cables and never heard a difference, that qualifies you to say just that. And those that roll them and think they do hear differences, that qualifies them to say just that. But people who just read and repeat are not qualified to say anything but just that, that they have read somewhere bla bla bla and have never tried for themselves.

I understand the theories and the fact that cables not connected to anything measure a certain way. But I do not buy into those who say that there is no way any 2 cables can sound different when connected to different components.

I personally have just cured one of my systems of being bass-less and made the setup really enjoyable with the same single pair of ICs that made another system horrid and a 3rd setup lose what it had with better ICs.

Maybe I'm crazy but I'm the one who lives with and has to enjoy my systems. I would love to show/demonstrate to non believers (as opposed to naysayers) what I feel makes changes in my setup but have never had a taker to the offer and of course they are no even willing to try because it's not a scientifically based DBT. That tells me they are more afraid of what they might hear and cannot explain away with white papers than them not hearing anything different at all.

[jneutron]

In the off chance you were just doing what Smokey tried two weeks ago, I responded the way I did.

Ah, ok.

I was not aware of what he did.

I will repeat, IC's and PC's absolutely can affect a system, and that is based in solid engineering. Unfortunately, that engineering is young, esentially ten years or so old.

jn

[Hyfi]

Ah, ok.

I was not aware of what he did.

I will repeat, IC's and PC's absolutely can affect a system, and that is based in solid engineering. Unfortunately, that engineering is young, esentially ten years or so old.

jn

OK, sorry for the assumption.

He chimed in on a thread and started quoting from the NaySayers Bible without ever having any real world experience to go on. Just a read and repeat thing like a parrot, which in my view has no credibility unless same person actually has something more than reading to go on.

[E-Stat]

I will repeat, IC's and PC's absolutely can affect a system, and that is based in solid engineering.

It is a shame that many evaluate cables in a vacuum attached to nothing merely by specs. They don't appreciate the interaction with other components and the radio and power environment in which they live.

Roger Russell's mantra of "It all sounds the same provided the resistance is low enough" doesn't acknowledge that reality. Inductance, capacitance and RF rejection matter, too.