Another thread that has deteriorated into show me show me show me, what starts out as an honest post gets turned on it's head with the intended question always getting lost. Some people respond with sincerity while others do nothing but challenge just for the sake of opposing that view regardless of it's merit. People like E-stat and Obiemax always provide worthwhile knowlege and are upfront with their experiences and quite frankly make naysayers on this board look silly most of the time. To be honest I find hearing differences between cables easier than between some components, especially cd players and I don't have or need to produce scientific data to prove it to anyone. I have my own ears and mind to do that for me. BTW I have a mandatory hearing test once a hear as part of my employment obligations and always finish in the top 10 of over 6000 employees. So maybe I hear things that some people on this board can't and that might be why their always demanding documentation for proof because they don't have the ability to do the same.