Is a heavy guage power cord helpful?

[E-Stat]

Irrelevant.

Interesting response from someone with the Dollar store cable mentality. A test that concludes that there are no audible differences between two cables each costing in the hundreds of dollars is a diffferent story than comparing any one of those to your preference.

I believe there are many fine cables in the $200-$300 range that are roughly equivalent and audibly better than the cheapo stuff.

rw

[Beckman]

Interesting response from someone with the Dollar store cable mentality. A test that concludes that there are no audible differences between two cables each costing in the hundreds of dollars is a diffferent story than comparing any one of those to your preference.

I believe there are many fine cables in the $200-$300 range that are roughly equivalent and audibly better than the cheapo stuff.

rw

What do you define as cheapo?
What about comparing two cables, both with the same current ratings.
Both the same length.
One costing $5 and the other costing $1200. What would the $1200 cable do to the Voltage that a $5 cable wouldn't do?

[E-Stat]

What do you define as cheapo?

In the context of discussion with mytry, $1 interconnects.

What about comparing two cables, both with the same current ratings.
Both the same length.
One costing $5 and the other costing $1200. What would the $1200 cable do to the Voltage that a $5 cable wouldn't do?

Which type of cable are you referring to in your hypothetical question (ie. power, IC, spkr) ?

rw

[Beckman]

In the context of discussion with mytry, $1 interconnects.



Which type of cable are you referring to in your hypothetical question (ie. power, IC, spkr) ?

rw

$1 interconnects. I don't know if I have ever sene interconnects that cheap. I am sure they sound fine, but gosh darn. Why not spend $4-5 on interconnects and buy something from a company that at least has some quality control.

I was refering to any cable.(except video because some RCA cables that are made for audio don't work for video).

[E-Stat]

I was refering to any cable.(except video because some RCA cables that are made for audio don't work for video).

Well I perceive different somewhat different benefits from using better interconnects vs. better speaker cables. The short answer is the background is audibly "blacker" with less grunge to mask subtle musical harmonics and detail. I am not referring to a high end rolloff, either. I hear more of the harmonic structure of a french horn or a bassoon. More inflection with female voice. The differences are subtle, but to most folks even greater differences are of little import.

To each his own.

rw

[mtrycraft]

The short answer is the background is audibly "blacker" with less grunge to mask subtle musical harmonics and detail. I am not referring to a high end rolloff, either. I hear more of the harmonic structure of a french horn or a bassoon. More inflection with female voice. The differences are subtle, but to most folks even greater differences are of little import. rw

Yet another testable claim. This is testable, after all. Maybe that $1 cable will not do, not up to standards. I am sure you have my post where I specified or suggested $1 interconnects, right? Or just making things up again.

[E-Stat]

I am sure you have my post where I specified or suggested $1 interconnects, right? Or just making things up again.

The specific $1 reference was from Chris' Alcoholics cable guidelines post initially stated by Skeptic and concurred (or sayd? as you put it) by you. I'll help jog your memory:
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When I wasted my time argueing with JR, he said that unless you had a very "high resolution" sound system whatever that means (I assume it means expensive and to his liking) you couldn't hear the benefits of improved cables. Of course if you are skeptical like I am and are waiting for the wizards to raise the curtain to show us if there is really anything behind it (besides the old man pulling levers), you don't pay much attention to these articles telling you what to spend. IN the meanwhile, $500, $5000, or $50,000 system I would still use the same 16 gage speaker wire, the same $1 RS interconnects, and the power cords that come with the equipment. Even for a $500 system, that still comes out lower cost percentage wise than the numbers in the article.


Yep, that is why I sayd that on a low cost system, the wire might be 5%. 5% of $500 is $25. Actually, that may not be enough if you have much to wire together
On a $50K system, it may be .02%
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[mtrycraft]

Interesting response from someone with the Dollar store cable mentality. A test that concludes that there are no audible differences between two cables each costing in the hundreds of dollars is a diffferent story than comparing any one of those to your preference.

I believe there are many fine cables in the $200-$300 range that are roughly equivalent and audibly better than the cheapo stuff.

rw

Go ahead and test them then. No big deal. Cost is irrelevant, unless you are interested in knowing how well expensive cables do in DBT listening. Why would cost change the outcome? It doesn't and it hasn't. If they are equivalents, the outcome is in the bank. An exercise in futility. So, in the end, cost is still irrelevant.

But, for the record, Nousaine did state the price in one test, $990 cable vs cheap ones. In the bank results.Others may have as well, don't remember. The ABX web site should have that. Certainly on my citation list and since you read them, why even ask?

[E-Stat]

Cost is irrelevant, unless you are interested in knowing how well expensive cables do in DBT listening. Why would cost change the outcome?

You are missing the point. You point to a test where equally (expensive) cables are considered equivalent and suggest that is evidence that a $1 cable would fare the same. It is not.

But, for the record, Nousaine did state the price in one test, $990 cable vs cheap ones.

I am sure that Mr. Car Stereo can find any number of "expensive" cables that may not perform much better ( in his car stereo?) than El Cheapos. Try Valhalla vs. RS on something significantly better than mid-fi stuff and let me know the results.

rw

[mtrycraft]

You are missing the point. You point to a test where equally (expensive) cables are considered equivalent and suggest that is evidence that a $1 cable would fare the same. It is not.
I am sure that Mr. Car Stereo can find any number of "expensive" cables that may not perform much better ( in his car stereo?) than El Cheapos. Try Valhalla vs. RS on something significantly better than mid-fi stuff and let me know the results.

rw

Get a grip, READ the Article, DON'T speculate.

No, you missed the point. They are not equally expensive as one was $990. the other a cheapo. Other test may have used similarly priced cables. And no, it wasn't a car stereo but the 'golden ears' own golden system.

You know, you would not look so foolish and make stupid statements if you read those articles, for a change.

But, you ar also missing the point, big time, if you think price has anything to do with being superior, equivalent or inferior. Zippo, nada, nothing to do with costs. Its good old electrical parameters that matters. And, as Davis has aptly shown, the parameters don't need to be that close to not matter. Get it?

But, the day you bring some evidence to the table to discuss about cable audibility, please be sure to do so so we can discuss it, OK?
Hard to discuss anything with a wall but you take the cake.

[E-Stat]

Get a grip, READ the Article, DON'T speculate.

I did. It is evident that you are unable to manage multiple concurrent rants, so take a breath, slow down and let's get back to some good old fashioned reading retention.

Here is my original comment:

Gee that's funny. You mean like all the DBT references you gave me ? (save the Tag McLaren one of course that does not support your viewpoint)

I remain talking about the Tag McLaren reference.

No, you missed the point. They are not equally expensive as one was $990. the other a cheapo. Other test may have used similarly priced cables. And no, it wasn't a car stereo but the 'golden ears' own golden system.

It is here that you have crossed rants and am referring to something completely different. Let's both reread the TagMcLaren claim again, shall we?

http://www.tagmclaren.com/members/news/news77.asp

TEST SET-UP

Cable test: The cables were a Nordost Solar Wind interconnect and a TAG McLaren F3-10-ANA analog interconnect. Just look at their names and you can see who is really in the business of selling cable!

Both the cables under test were connected between the dual outputs of a TAG McLaren DPA32R pre-amplifier and the analogue inputs of a second DPA32R so that each one could be selected very rapidly. The source for the test was a CD recording of “Sad Old Red” by “Simply Red” played on a DVD32R, which was connected using S/PDIF and T2L sync connection to the first DPA32R. The outputs of the second DPA32R were connected to a pair of 250MR monobloc power amplifiers driving a pair of F1-RLA loudspeakers. All the audio cabling with the exception of the Nordost cable under test was TAG McLaren F3-10 series.

This is an example of what I consider a well documented test because it supplies information as to the system used and the content. We can set aside the fact that they piggybacked two preamps, doubled the number of cables and contacts and ran the signal through a switch box for now. Similarly, I doubt that a Simply Red recording is likely going to be representative of the best available, but at least they revealed what they used. So, what exactly were the cable contestants? Let's read aloud together what they are:

N-O-R-D-O-S-T--S-O-L-A-R--W-I-N-D----AND---T-A-G-M-C-L-A-R-E-N--F-3-A-N-A---A-N-A-L-O-G

Are you keeping up OK?. So what do the Nordost Solar Wind and the TagMcLaren F3-ANA analog cables cost? The answer to the second question can be found on the same website. Follow this link to their direct shopping link for the cable and enter (2) cables at say 1.0 meter (they price by each)

http://www.tagmclaren.com/shopping/i...ype=an-rca-rca

The result is £ 193.95. Today's conversion from the British pound and the dollar is around 1.9 so in dollars the cost of the TagMcLaren analog cables is $ 368.50. Are you still with me? Next question is how much do the Nordost Solar Winds cost in the same length? Here is one Nordost dealer who posts his prices on the web:

http://www.fatwyre.com/intercon_b2_04.html

Scroll down and find the Nordost Solar Wind. They sell a one meter pair for $110.00.
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Ok, let's review what we've learned, shall we?

Neither cable costs as much as $990 nor as little as $1.00. Both would be considered overkill by your keen senses. This test proves what it proves. Remember this comment of yours?

Actually, they all support my view. You just cannot understand it.

Unless you are now endorsing $100+ Nordost cables, your statement is not supported by the facts.

Is there any part of that you are unable to follow? I sure hope not. Sheesh!

Now, onto your next rant. There were four references in your original list with Mr. Car Stereo, none of which had a link to the text. I will be happy to comment on whichever one your second rant refers to if you will be so kind as to provide the text.

rw