Have these articles been discussed previously?

[jneutron]

You think wires will react to complex waveforms differently? I'd like to see the evidence for that. Same for temporal distortion that jneutron is so fond of. Skin effect delays some of the frequency arrival times, in the nano second timescale:

yes, I would also like to see evidence for that..I certainly have none at this time..

Skin effect on sines is in the 250nSec regime, from what I recall..not what I hypothesize.
What I am hypothesizing is the change in energy storage, not something as simple as group delays..

Where that stands now? Glad you asked..

I am wrestling with my model, and how it stands w/r to superposition. As in, does my model break down in regard to multiple signals each at different skin values...can the resultant be equally described by the sum of the signals, or does my slew rate model break down...still lots of work to do before I can really test it..

Cheers, John

[skeptic]

Skin effect, fermi velocity, strand jumping, oxygen molecules, grain boundries, are all hypothetical explanations for supposed electrical distortions but the distortions ultimately must show up as waveform distortions or they don't exist. Where are the impulse tests, tone burst tests, square wave tests, and input output linearity tests. This is also ancient technology of 40, 50, even 60 years ago. Today we should expect segments of complex musical waveforms captured and computer analyzed to breakdown where, how much and to what degree these distortions manifest. But beyond telling me that this wire with x number of strands has such and such an inductance per foot and therefore so many tenths of a decibel difference at 20 kzh than the other with a different number of strands and as for the difference in group delay, that is also all straightforward as the frequency response also must include the phase as well as the amplitude response I feel I am getting nothing from so called cutting edge technology. At NASA, these guys would be fired if that were the best they could come up with. All undergrad ee material. So where are all those clever guys with all that high powered equipment and that fancy mathematical analysis? And that's just the electrical engineering end of it. After that comes the psychoacoustics where the DBTs would have to tell us if any of this stuff is even audible. So where's the beef?

[mtrycraft]

What I am hypothesizing is the change in energy storage, not something as simple as group delays..

How will that manifest itself?

Where that stands now? Glad you asked..I am wrestling with my model, and how it stands w/r to superposition. As in, does my model break down in regard to multiple signals each at different skin values...can the resultant be equally described by the sum of the signals, or does my slew rate model break down...still lots of work to do before I can really test it..

Cheers, John

Well, I am still young, just don't quit on me I am curious myself

[jneutron]

Chuck""If there are some undiscovered things taking place in some speaker wire then somehow nobody has ever managed to expose it in any measurement or controlled test, so nobody other than Jneutron is going to waste their time chasing ghosts. With respect to Jneutron, it's a dirty job, but apparently someone has to do it, and he seems to be the right man for the job. ""

You got that right...there is a very, very large possibility that I am chasing ghosts..That has been a possibility I live with all along..But for me, it is not the end result, it's the voyage..because I do not derive income from this stuff, I consider it more as intellectual stimulation, really fun things to theorize and test. As I work it, I derive a more intuitive, gut level understanding of e/m field theory... not like my friend, who is capable of doing anything he wishes (and I don't understand) with Maxwell's equations. But when I present him possibilities he cannot discount using Maxwell...now that is fun.

Chuck: ""Jneutron and I both DO measure such things at times, or at lest we try, but most technical people have better sense.""

Agreed...hee hee...

Asked what current SOTA and understanding of skin effect with wires, I can only fall back on proven, tried and true technology...nothing has been seen.. my slant is, perhaps it wasn't looked for properly.."properly" being an undefined test regime I look for.. The MLS system is certainly excellent, and to prove my point, I must show how MLS is unable to see what I hypothesize..So far, I cannot...may never, but like I said, I'm havin fun.

What I am hypothesizing is the change in energy storage, not something as simple as group delays..

Mtry: ""How will that manifest itself?""

My first guess is a time shifting of a high frequency signal as a result of a low frequency signal being added. So, I first null a hf signal out...then null out a lf signal...if what I hypothesize occurs, the sum signal in the wire will not null out with the sum of the nulls.. That of course, would contradict superposition, the theory that the wire carries each signal linearly, and additively. One of my slants to my thinking is that the load resistors to date are not zero inductance, nor zero b dot setups, so accurate measurement of the voltage/current phase is lacking.

Where that stands now? Glad you asked..I am wrestling with my model, and how it stands w/r to superposition. As in, does my model break down in regard to multiple signals each at different skin values...can the resultant be equally described by the sum of the signals, or does my slew rate model break down...still lots of work to do before I can really test it..

Mtry: ""Well, I am still young, just don't quit on me I am curious myself""

Hey...I'm (relatively) young...at least, you recognize the time scale I'm workin at.. It'll be a while..Right now, still unpacking.

Cheers, John