Cryo-Parts Interview........................

[LeoFenderBender]

...one must ask the sixty-four cent question:

Why do many of those folks who believe in cryo-treatment also subscribe to the practice of "burn-in"?

jimHJJ(...but it's all science, we just dont understand it yet...yeah, right...)

It isn't science, it is psychology...

THE ANTI-BUYER’S REMORSE PRINCIPLE:

The longer the time period between parting with the cash to make a purchase and actually evaluating what you have bought, the greater the likelihood of keeping the purchase and not returning it for a refund.

[Soundideas]

Here's what they think about this over on Audio Asylum Forum....... http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/twe...es/124269.html

[Resident Loser]

...that having a framed 8X10 of Fatty Arbuckle on prominent display in one's listening room would improve the mid-range bloom(whatever THAT is) many folks over at AA would be searching the clip-art and photo archives...

Without even reading the latest spate of posts I can say only one thing...the only name I am familiar with is that of jneutron, who is most likely the only voice of reason in attendance.

Cryo treatment is great for tools, etc. but what it does on an elemental level runs counter to every argument I have seen the audiopile-types give with regard for "micro-crystalline structures", "diode effect" and the all the other hoo-ha including "burn-in"...

jimHJJ(...but I guess some of us CAN have it both ways...)

[pelly3s]

if you cant measure a change then there was no change and no difference will be heard. Also when a molecule is frozen it will return to its natural state when it returns to its nomial temp. And what is the deal with the cryoed cd's or any cd treatment you cant change the way something reads 1's and 0's its either there or its not.

[Soundideas]

if you cant measure a change then there was no change and no difference will be heard. Also when a molecule is frozen it will return to its natural state when it returns to its nomial temp. And what is the deal with the cryoed cd's or any cd treatment you cant change the way something reads 1's and 0's its either there or its not.

I trust my ears and they sure tell me that Cryo treatment really works!.... just cryo one of your CD's over at cryo-parts FOR $6.00 and your sure find out REAL quick that it does improve the sound of that CD.......talk is cheap!

[Resident Loser]

...there is ZERO relevance to the cryogenic treatment of tool steel and the like on the molecular and subatomic levels to that of copolymers and the polycarbonate of your CD...You must understand how steel is forged and quenched and how it affects it's physical structure. Cryo goes a step further by "removing" unwanted "impuities" left in the end product...It results in a harder and more crystalline structure, the better to take and hold an edge as in the case of cutting tools. Curious thing is that some cryo folks say such treatment actually makes metals like copper more maleable...hmmm, something seems askew there!

HOWEVER, CDs are merely a data storage medium and as such the cryo scheme would somehow have to make the polycarbonate "clearer" to improve the light transfer characteristics. To my way of thinking, somehow increasing covalent "density" does not go hand-in-hand to that end.

The laser is spec'd to be able to read the "pits and lands" in the sputtered aluminum substrate...it's zero's and one's, on or off; the entire basis for digital anything rest on this simple premise...no gray areas. Sound is not "produced" in the same sense as it is in an analog medium and it's not even done in realtime.

The laser is kept on track and in focus by various control programs and once the data has been read, the math is done and any errors seen in it are corrected for by CIRC(Cross Interleaved Redundancy Code)...you either get program material or you don't, again no gray areas. After sufficient coherent data are stored in the buffers, it then goes through the D/A processors and the player's analog output circuitry. Here is where all, if any, sonic anomolies take place...

Given the potential for stress fracturing when exposed to temperature extremes, the fact that a CD can withstand DCT and still play at all, is a testament to it's hardy chemical composition and should be a reminder of "...if it ain't broke, don't fix it..."

But heck, if you can get someone to pay a coupla' hundred bux to have an already overpriced $79 Oyaide AC outlet subjected to the big chill, what's another $6 per CD?

jimHJJ(...I see the outlet eliminates "micro-arcing"...whatever that's supposed to be...)

[GMichael]

I live in NY. Can't I just through my system out the window for a few days in January?

[FLZapped]

I trust my ears and they sure tell me that Cryo treatment really works!.... just cryo one of your CD's over at cryo-parts FOR $6.00 and your sure find out REAL quick that it does improve the sound of that CD.......talk is cheap!

Of course, the problem isn't with your ears....

-Bruce