Cryo-Parts Interview........................

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Iss..._interview.htm

Buyer Beware.

Pay special attention to item number six...

http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/...lesnakeoil.php

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Originally Posted by Soundideas

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It's a fact the cryo treatment does change the molecular arrangement but apparently the accoustic effect cannot be measured by know objective methods.

Personally, I do believe that the human ear can hear differences we don't yet know how to meassure. But unfortunately human hearing is unreliable, given to hearing differences that are not there, (not hearing those that are). Human hearing is also subject to being influenced by non-accoustic factors such as price, brand name, and (not-)invented-by-me.

DBT tests, properly conducted and subject to peer review, are objective but cannot provide the the negative thesis, that is, that the are no differences. Nevertheless they are indicative: ultimately, if supposed difference can't be heard in DBT, how important can they be? Your answer please! Some people say differences that aren't apparent in the short term, (as in a DBT), are significant in long term listening, but again, this isn't proven.

Here's a interview from Crag Goff of Kryophysics.........Cryo-Treatment........... http://www.positive-feedback.com/Iss...finterview.htm

...one must ask the sixty-four cent question:

Why do many of those folks who believe in cryo-treatment also subscribe to the practice of "burn-in"?

jimHJJ(...but it's all science, we just dont understand it yet...yeah, right...)

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Originally Posted by Resident Loser

...one must ask the sixty-four cent question:

Why do many of those folks who believe in cryo-treatment also subscribe to the practice of "burn-in"?

jimHJJ(...but it's all science, we just dont understand it yet...yeah, right...)

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It isn't science, it is psychology...

THE ANTI-BUYER’S REMORSE PRINCIPLE:

The longer the time period between parting with the cash to make a purchase and actually evaluating what you have bought, the greater the likelihood of keeping the purchase and not returning it for a refund.

Here's what they think about this over on Audio Asylum Forum....... :eek: http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/twe...es/124269.html

...that having a framed 8X10 of Fatty Arbuckle on prominent display in one's listening room would improve the mid-range bloom(whatever THAT is) many folks over at AA would be searching the clip-art and photo archives...

Without even reading the latest spate of posts I can say only one thing...the only name I am familiar with is that of jneutron, who is most likely the only voice of reason in attendance.

Cryo treatment is great for tools, etc. but what it does on an elemental level runs counter to every argument I have seen the audiopile-types give with regard for "micro-crystalline structures", "diode effect" and the all the other hoo-ha including "burn-in"...

jimHJJ(...but I guess some of us CAN have it both ways...)

if you cant measure a change then there was no change and no difference will be heard. Also when a molecule is frozen it will return to its natural state when it returns to its nomial temp. And what is the deal with the cryoed cd's or any cd treatment you cant change the way something reads 1's and 0's its either there or its not.

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Originally Posted by pelly3s

if you cant measure a change then there was no change and no difference will be heard. Also when a molecule is frozen it will return to its natural state when it returns to its nomial temp. And what is the deal with the cryoed cd's or any cd treatment you cant change the way something reads 1's and 0's its either there or its not.

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I trust my ears and they sure tell me that Cryo treatment really works!.... just cryo one of your CD's over at cryo-parts FOR $6.00 and your sure find out REAL quick that it does improve the sound of that CD.......talk is cheap! :cool:

...there is ZERO relevance to the cryogenic treatment of tool steel and the like on the molecular and subatomic levels to that of copolymers and the polycarbonate of your CD...You must understand how steel is forged and quenched and how it affects it's physical structure. Cryo goes a step further by "removing" unwanted "impuities" left in the end product...It results in a harder and more crystalline structure, the better to take and hold an edge as in the case of cutting tools. Curious thing is that some cryo folks say such treatment actually makes metals like copper more maleable...hmmm, something seems askew there!

HOWEVER, CDs are merely a data storage medium and as such the cryo scheme would somehow have to make the polycarbonate "clearer" to improve the light transfer characteristics. To my way of thinking, somehow increasing covalent "density" does not go hand-in-hand to that end.

The laser is spec'd to be able to read the "pits and lands" in the sputtered aluminum substrate...it's zero's and one's, on or off; the entire basis for digital anything rest on this simple premise...no gray areas. Sound is not "produced" in the same sense as it is in an analog medium and it's not even done in realtime.

The laser is kept on track and in focus by various control programs and once the data has been read, the math is done and any errors seen in it are corrected for by CIRC(Cross Interleaved Redundancy Code)...you either get program material or you don't, again no gray areas. After sufficient coherent data are stored in the buffers, it then goes through the D/A processors and the player's analog output circuitry. Here is where all, if any, sonic anomolies take place...

Given the potential for stress fracturing when exposed to temperature extremes, the fact that a CD can withstand DCT and still play at all, is a testament to it's hardy chemical composition and should be a reminder of "...if it ain't broke, don't fix it..."

But heck, if you can get someone to pay a coupla' hundred bux to have an already overpriced $79 Oyaide AC outlet subjected to the big chill, what's another $6 per CD?

jimHJJ(...I see the outlet eliminates "micro-arcing"...whatever that's supposed to be...)

I live in NY. Can't I just through my system out the window for a few days in January?

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Originally Posted by GMichael

I live in NY. Can't I just through my system out the window for a few days in January?

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...even if you took wind chill and any residual lake-effect into consideration, I don't think it would be quite cold enough...

jimHJJ(...and besides it requires the proper technique...)

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Originally Posted by Resident Loser

...even if you took wind chill and any residual lake-effect into consideration, I don't think it would be quite cold enough...

jimHJJ(...and besides it requires the proper technique...)

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How about if my wife gives it the cold shoulder?

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Originally Posted by GMichael

How about if my wife gives it the cold shoulder?

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...a whole 'nother kettle of fish...

jimHJJ(...in MY experience, Gorton's perhaps...)

I wonder if these things are Cryo-Treated too...... :rolleyes: .... http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/v...ic.php?t=22961

Nice Fatty Arbuckle reference. :D Fatty... the true trial of the century. And, he really was innocent.

I got yer cryo treatment right here. Soak your garbage in a bowl of Listerine for five minutes before rubbing one out and it will feel like someone else is doing it.

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Originally Posted by Soundideas

I wonder if these things are Cryo-Treated too...... :rolleyes: .... http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/v...ic.php?t=22961

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...the proper pronounciation is...sonic-rock or soni-crock?...

It's all out there...from harmless and cheap DIYs like sand filled zip-locks to Mpingo blocks and unconscionably-priced "audiophile-grade" wooden control knobs...caveat emptor.

jimHJJ(...my fave is still the proprietary substance that was once called "stardust"...)

That sonicrock on top of your component really does work but you don't have to spend $49.00 to find out. I took 4 ceramic tiles and put them on each of my speakers....I then played some music for awhile and the sound really started to change for the better!.......I'm trying this on all my components now.....video too............ :cool:

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Originally Posted by Soundideas

That sonicrock on top of your component really does work but you don't have to spend $49.00 to find out. I took 4 ceramic tiles and put them on each of my speakers....I then played some music for awhile and the sound really started to change for the better!.......I'm trying this on all my components now.....video too............ :cool:

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You are either incredibly naive or just a run-of-the-mill troll. :confused:

Internet Troll

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Originally Posted by LeoFenderBender

You are either incredibly naive or just a run-of-the-mill troll. :confused:

Internet Troll

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Your just a NON-BELIEVER!......... That's all!...... And your just MAD too because you think you might be missing out on something........... ;)

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Originally Posted by Soundideas

That sonicrock on top of your component really does work but you don't have to spend $49.00 to find out. I took 4 ceramic tiles and put them on each of my speakers....I then played some music for awhile and the sound really started to change for the better!.......I'm trying this on all my components now.....video too............ :cool:

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...lining my walls with aluminum foil stops the rays...

jimHJJ(...whadda' YOU lookin' at...)

Eveyone has to admit one thing. No matter what anybody says, this guy never seems to get upset. Points for that.

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Originally Posted by GMichael

Eveyone has to admit one thing. No matter what anybody says, this guy never seems to get upset. Points for that.

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Yes and we miss a good heated argument. We need to get RGA and Florian going at it again.

We could post that B&W's are the best speakers ever made and that nothing even comes close at any price. That might bring both of them out with one fell swoop.