The next big battle

[nightflier]

What does that have to do with the discussion as to what people will be doing with cell phones?

We were talking about small and portable screens, I'm including the screen on my laptop into the discussion, not just the screens on cell phones.

[E-Stat]

Hypothetically, if I was a college student living in a dorm in a crowded suite, yes, because that would be the only means I would have of watching the movie.

Only means? Ever heard of a laptop computer? They are even required at many colleges. I certainly would prefer watching videos on a computer than my dinky iPhone.

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[E-Stat]

We were talking about small and portable screens, I'm including the screen on my laptop into the discussion, not just the screens on cell phones.

Ok, I'll disregard all your previous comments about smartphones.

"You're missing the point. Your sales figures don't include cell phones. Those are also screens, and in the very near future, they will be used to watch everything from broadcast TV to full-length movies. The number of smart phones out there is staggering in comparison to TV sets."

Laptops can play Blu-ray discs for that matter.

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[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

That Walt had fascist leanings is no secret, but the company as a whole has had a very disturbing past and this permeates everything they do today. lil't will try to whitewash this, but they did hire a number of former Nazis to drive the company's marketing programs. I'll do some digging and find the exact name of that SS officer who was convicted of vivisecting allied POWs (as well as Jewish, Communist, and black prisoners). Despite all that, he was made head of the youth marketing division. The Disney company's ties to Nazi-ism are well documented in a number of books.

Spin away, your talking ancient history, and the computer industry is bilking folks RIGHT NOW. This is a true example of deflection if I ever saw one. Your are spreading pure lies here, where is your proof that Disney did any of this. Everyone knows that Disney was anti nazi, where is your proof nightliar?

This says your are a big fat liar

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...sney-a-fascist

So does this

http://beyondthemouse.com/conspiracy...mpathizer/546/

This document Walt Disney studio role in the war effort AGAINST the Nazi's

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney's_World_War_II_propaganda_production

But what I'm getting at is the mind-set of the argumentation here; it is exemplary of the corporate culture at Disney and this corporate culture is still, today, very much extremely right-wing. I'll be the first to rail against corporate abuses in my own industry (and I have), but Disney is really way off the deep end. The fact that they make movies targeted at children and families, does not at all contradict their corporate culture, as a matter of fact it's a fundamental piece of the process - you can use your imagination to consider where this leads. Walmart, McDonald's, IBP, ADM, and a whole host of the most abusive corporations took their models from Disney.

The is BS if I ever read it. Your are repeating internet lies fool

So while large computer companies sometimes do engage in anti-competitive practices (Microsoft and Google certainly have their own skeletons), this is still an issue of degrees. Disney equally engages in anti-competitive practices but they just haven't been caught yet. But in addition, this company has a very sordid and shameful past that still permeates its corporate structure today. I consider it particularly galling when an employee of this corporation stands on a soapbox and suggests that his company has the moral high ground.

So you are saying that Disney anti competitive practices are worse than Microsoft and Googles? Unfreakin believable!!! Disney didn't backrupt Netscape did it? No, Microsoft did. Disney didn't threaten American computer manufacturers that if they bundled Netscape into their computers, they would not get its support did it? Nope, Microsoft did Disney is not facing or has faced anti trust litigation against it in Europe has it. Nope Microsoft is Does Disney have a monopoly on PC os system? Nope Microsoft does Does it abuse the fact that it is on 95% of the computers in the world? Nope Microsoft does. Did Disney hand over the records of some users of its social-networking service, Orkut, to the Brazilian government? Nope Google did Does Disney know more about you than the secret services? Nope, but Google does. Does Disney snoop and read your emails? Nope Google does Did Disney scan millions of books without the authors permission? No, but Google did. Did Disney invent a secondary search feature that and impose it on retail and media sites, undermining those site owners’ control of their users’ experience? Nope but Google did.

So your attempt at making the mouse more evil than the computer guys is a pure unadulterated lie. You have no proof that Disney did any of the things that you state, but I have plenty of proof of what I state.

So liar, where is your proof?

And regarding our Japanese team, they said lil't is a big fat jack-a$$ (and the translator got that spot on).

Being that you lie so easily, I doubt that you are even working with a "Japanese team". If your argument was so strong, you wouldn't need a bunch of "imaginary" people to support your fantasies.

Me thinks that you are suffering from a major case of "Harvey's" disease on steroids.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_(film)

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

We were talking about small and portable screens, I'm including the screen on my laptop into the discussion, not just the screens on cell phones.

Most folks use their laptops for work, not as a mini movie theater. Any more lies you want to tell?

[Mr Peabody]

Nice try Sir T, every one knows those mouse ear hats were more than just a hat! They were used for mind control of those little kids. They probably make you wear one too which would explain a lot.

And, you all have it wrong, just do what I do, I have two I-phones and sync the same program on each and hold one over the left eye and one over the right eye, you can't tell the difference between that and a big screen. Sometimes if my sync isn't just perfect I even get 3D. Now I'm working on some type of sling for my arms because they get damn tired holding those phones.up.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Nice try Sir T, every one knows those mouse ear hats were more than just a hat! They were used for mind control of those little kids. They probably make you wear one too which would explain a lot.

Yeah, you are right, and I am busted. The ears house little antenna's that Disney designed so we could wirelessly beam our propaganda directly to their brains. Anyone that did not have the ears could not get our decoded message. Oh, and by the way, did you know that the in our movie Snow White and the Three Bears, the porridge was really the boiled remnants of young children that Walt lured into the studio?

And, you all have it wrong, just do what I do, I have two I-phones and sync the same program on each and hold one over the left eye and one over the right eye, you can't tell the difference between that and a big screen. Sometimes if my sync isn't just perfect I even get 3D. Now I'm working on some type of sling for my arms because they get damn tired holding those phones.up.

I have this great sound system to go with your dual iPhone setup. I purpose a system of five Bose cubes suspended in space around you with fishing wire(gotta avoid reflections and keep the mounting system"invisible" acoustically). A Bose sub woofer will sit under a pillow beneath you, and give you the same effective sensation as a tactile inducer.

There is no way Sony, Panasonic, or Pioneer could design a system with better 3D and holosonic abilities as this system!

[GMichael]

Nice try Sir T, every one knows those mouse ear hats were more than just a hat! They were used for mind control of those little kids. They probably make you wear one too which would explain a lot.

And, you all have it wrong, just do what I do, I have two I-phones and sync the same program on each and hold one over the left eye and one over the right eye, you can't tell the difference between that and a big screen. Sometimes if my sync isn't just perfect I even get 3D. Now I'm working on some type of sling for my arms because they get damn tired holding those phones.up.

ROTFLMFAO..

Thanks P. I needed that. But now I need a paper towel to clean up all the coffee I just spit out.

[GMichael]

Yeah, you are right, and I am busted. The ears house little antenna's that Disney designed so we could wirelessly beam our propaganda directly to their brains. Anyone that did not have the ears could not get our decoded message. Oh, and by the way, did you know that the in our movie Snow White and the Three Bears, the porridge was really the boiled remnants of young children that Walt lured into the studio?



I have this great sound system to go with your dual iPhone setup. I purpose a system of five Bose cubes suspended in space around you with fishing wire(gotta avoid reflections and keep the mounting system"invisible" acoustically). A Bose sub woofer will sit under a pillow beneath you, and give you the same effective sensation as a tactile inducer.

There is no way Sony, Panasonic, or Pioneer could design a system with better 3D and holosonic abilities as this system!

Could you hang these from the mouse ears so that Mr. P's arms can have a rest?

[audio amateur]

Here is the rub, cell phone screens are not getting larger, at least not the ones we see here.

Strange... Here they're definitely getting better. iphone style I guess. Touch screen technology is being used rather than keyboards simply because they have to use the whole area of the phone in order to maximize screen size.

[E-Stat]

Here they're definitely getting better. iphone style I guess.

I guess it depends upon your point of reference. My iPhone screen is 3" x 2" for a total of six square inches . My mid-sized laptop is 14" x 7.5" for a total of one hundred five square inches - or nearly twenty times the amount of screen real estate. Are your phones any bigger?

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[nightflier]

lil't, would you mind explaining who Heinz Haber was? How about Wernher von Braun? Maybe you'd like to explain why Walt hired a Chicago crime boss to violently break the Screen Cartoonists Guild strike? Maybe you'd like to explain Walt being an FBI informer and a notorious "witness" in the infamous HUAC trials?

Old history, you say? Then what about the long history of financial support for right-wing candidates by Disney executives even up to today? David Duke ring a bell? How about Michael Issa? Gilchrest? Proposition 8, here in California? Wasn't Disney Corp was one of the big backers behind Prop 13, the very reason we are now in the financial mess we're in? Doesn't Disney continue today to fight any minimum wage hikes? I'm sure these issues don't affect you with your income and status and all, but as a Democrat, you should just pause for a second, between golf rounds with your rich executive friends, and ask yourself who you work for.

[pixelthis]

lil't, would you mind explaining who Heinz Haber was? How about Wernher von Braun? Maybe you'd like to explain why Walt hired a Chicago crime boss to violently break the Screen Cartoonists Guild strike? Maybe you'd like to explain Walt being an FBI informer and a notorious "witness" in the infamous HUAC trials?

Old history, you say? Then what about the long history of financial support for right-wing candidates by Disney executives even up to today? David Duke ring a bell? How about Michael Issa? Gilchrest? Proposition 8, here in California? Wasn't Disney Corp was one of the big backers behind Prop 13, the very reason we are now in the financial mess we're in? Doesn't Disney continue today to fight any minimum wage hikes? I'm sure these issues don't affect you with your income and status and all, but as a Democrat, you should just pause for a second, between golf rounds with your rich executive friends, and ask yourself who you work for.

Thats a socialist for you.
You have both houses of congress, , POTUS, and you're still not happy.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

lil't, would you mind explaining who Heinz Haber was? How about Wernher von Braun? Maybe you'd like to explain why Walt hired a Chicago crime boss to violently break the Screen Cartoonists Guild strike? Maybe you'd like to explain Walt being an FBI informer and a notorious "witness" in the infamous HUAC trials?

Why should I explain any of this, he is dead, and has been since 1966. Whatever he did has no relevance today. The same cannot be said for the business practices of Apple, Google, and Microsoft. I see you have still brushed aside responding to what I have stated, as it is relevant today. You are good at deflection, but a lousy BS'er.

Old history, you say? Then what about the long history of financial support for right-wing candidates by Disney executives even up to today?

Anyone at Disney is allowed to support whatever party they choose. If you are so concerned about financial support for right wing candidates, why are you not equally troubled that Steve Ballmar (CEO of Microsoft) is a registered Republican? Or Bill Gates contributions to the Republican party? Or Eric Schmidts of Google? You are a hypocryte, point blank. This is just more deflection.

David Duke ring a bell?

Yes, but what does that have to do with anything?. Do you have another fake conspiracy theory you want to throw out there?

How about Michael Issa? Gilchrest? Proposition 8, here in California?

These are just names to me, they mean nothing. As far as prop 8 goes, and don't think any company who does business in California wanted that to happen, so singling out Disney is at best disengenuous.

Wasn't Disney Corp was one of the big backers behind Prop 13, the very reason we are now in the financial mess we're in?

Your assesment is incorrect. The reason we are in the financial mess we are in has nothing to do with prop 13. It has to do with abuse of the proposition initiative process itself. You cannot lock down state money when state income fluctuates yearly.

Doesn't Disney continue today to fight any minimum wage hikes?

Yes, but so did Microsoft, Google, Apple, Dell, and any other large corporation that operates in this state and country. It is cowardly of you to attempt to lay blame squarely at Disney feet. Especially since the computer industry was complicit as well.

I'm sure these issues don't affect you with your income and status and all, but as a Democrat, you should just pause for a second, between golf rounds with your rich executive friends, and ask yourself who you work for.

Stupid stereotypical assumptions. I don't play golf, the majority of my friends are not rich, and you have been reading too many gossip magazines.

I don't speak for the company I work for, and I am not responsible for what the CEO does. People, Companies, and special interest groups vote their own interests.

You are a major hypocrite. You rile against not having choice, and yet the industry you work in does not support choice. Can you tell me why I can't have my new computer loaded with Linux OS instead of Windows? Can you tell me why I cannot transfer tunes on my ipod directly to a Zune player? Why do I have to use iTunes to download to my ipod? Can you tell me why I cannot search the internet without having my search habits profiled and stored? Why is Google reading my Gmail? Why doesn't Apple tell iphone users they can be tracked?

None of the offenses you list against Disney affect the "masses" today. However the computer industry has issues all over the world. Microsoft versus the United states (look it up) affected everyone who purchased a computer in this country. It was resolved in 2001, not 70 years ago. Microsoft versus the EU was just resolved last year, not 70 years ago. It effected everyone who purchased a computer in Europe. Apple issues with the batteries of ipods (only they can change them), is an issue that exist today and affects the millions who have purchased them. You are a big hypocryte willing to turn your head when your industry does harm to millions, but yet you will bring up internet rumors and attempt to pass it off as a truth when it comes to Disney.

[nightflier]

Look, lil't, I've been complaining about Microsoft's corporate policies for years. I'm no fan of Apple's or Google corporate policies, either, so calling me a hypocrite is just asinine. Just read my past posts. You on the other hand, lump all computer workers in one category (well except for the Japanese ones, but we've covered that already), and then jump through all kinds of hoops to vilify them in one stroke. It simply doesn't work that way.

What is hypocritical, rather, is your constant railing about computer companies invading your privacy when Disney does it in spades. Your rant about iTunes, is exemplary. Why can't I rip movies to a digital medium? Why do I need to keep buying the same movie over & over every time a new format comes out? Why do I have to sit through stupid advertisements and sponsorships every time I put a Disney DVD in my player? WTF is an add for the army doing on my kid's Tinkerbell movie? Disney's got it's grubby hands all over that nonsense. You are quick to scream privacy when it comes to computers, but the minute the topic inches over to movies, all of a sudden, you turn into the biggest corporate tightwad I've seen. Cute, for a little imp, but it doesn't wash.

And I guess you need some more examples of Disney's checkered past. OK, I'll list some more. Back when I was younger I remember a gem called Our Friend the Atom about how we're supposed to all "stop worrying and love the bomb." It isn't for nothing someone made a movie called Dr. Strangelove; are you too dense to see the connection? This was well after Disney died, by the way. There have been a number of recent books describing Disney's distrubing policies, both in the past and the present, but I guess you'd like to ignore those as well.

In case you still didn't know, Von Braun was the brainchild behind Tomorowland. Do you want me to tell you who built Disney's House of the future? Monsanto. Richfield Oil built Autopia. The list goes on: General Electric, McDonald Douglas, and that constant, the US Armed Forces. Disney's long history championing war, rockets, atomic energy, and such social constructs as conformity, the nuclear family, subservience to authority, and the glorification of material possessions permeates their entire message.

Their advertising is carefully selected to promote conservative ideals, the company and it's top brass overwhelmingly support conservative causes, and their products surreptitiously include symbols that perpetuate these ideals. And all this is being presented as child-safe entertainment! I mean are you seriously going to try and defend that? At what point does your conscience give you pause?

You want to talk about how Disney affects the masses today? How about the stereotyping of blacks, Asians, Latinos in all their movies? The stereotypical roles that women have? The formula plots that always have the same ending? The blind faith in the military and technology to solve the world's problems. Need some examples? Why does just about every character who happens to be black have to have exaggerated lips, nose and hair or talk slang (Blackfish, Frozone, Sunflower the Centaur, Sebastian, etc.)? Why is every villain always darker than the rest of the characters and why do they almost always have slanted eyes (Jafar, RedMan, Cruella)? Why are women always portrayed as the "weaker sex" (BoBeep, Jasmine, Cinderella, etc.)? And why are women portrayed with such overly sexualized features with large hips, unnaturally small waists, tiny mouths, and big star-struck eyes? Finally, what's with the obsession with rockets, guns, social hierarchies, and money in the more recent movies? Likewise, it's not OK to whack someone upside the head with a hammer, throw them off a cliff, or kick them in the rear with all your might, but yet, that's all too common in Disney films.

These are all messages that we pretend are OK for children, but really aren't. My guess is that they add the sex, the racism, and violence to cater to the adult audience, knowing full well that these adults will be sitting in the same theater with their kids, and you wouldn't want them to get bored. There's a serious problem with a company that has such a horrid past, refuses to acknowledge any culpability in it, and then continues to perpetuate the same disturbing messages in ways that today are still tolerated. Just as Dumbo and the Jungle Book are now widely seen as overtly racist and sexist, so too will the next generation think this of Monsters Inc. and Cars.

That you refuse to see this, and that you dismiss it outright tells me you're much more of a hypocrite than I am. And the fact that you also dismiss the militarism, the corporate support for ultra-right wing causes, and the ongoing corporatist behavior, tells me you are much more of an arch-conservative than you care to admit. Next time you stand on that soap-box to defend your supposed left-wing causes, don't be surprised if some of the more attentive denizens here point that out to you. I think you're the bigger hypocrite here.

[Woochifer]

We were talking about small and portable screens, I'm including the screen on my laptop into the discussion, not just the screens on cell phones.

Amazing that you're still trying to spin this when facts and basic common sense conspire against you.

[Woochifer]

I understand what NF is saying. More and more, you see people watching movies, yes movies on a handheld apparitus, whether it be iphone cell phone laptop and what have you; usually on the go of course. Some people commute for quite a while, so if theyre not reading a book, why not? This will only be more common as cell phone screens get bigger and better.

Are you sure those are movies that people watch on their handhelds, rather than other shorter forms of video content? And where are they when doing this? Certainly not while they're driving, while they're walking down the street, while they are engaged in something else. As I pointed out, mobile devices are increasingly used for web activity, e-mail, messaging, and of course, audio. Those types of activities can be done for short bursts of time and don't necessarily require a big screen.

Of course it's not the same experience as it is with a massive home screen, but it's still happening. Whether or not it's more popular or will be than home viewing, I can't say. Probably not, but who knows...

It's nowhere near the viewership of home viewing. Electronics firms have figured out how to pack multitudes of features into different devices, but they still haven't figured out how to conquer the sofa/easy chair. The pairing of big screen TVs with sofas represents the perfection of form and function. Compare this with sitting at a computer desk, or balancing a notebook computer on your lap, or staring down at a 4" screen to watch video. That's why TVs dominate the viewing time by such a wide margin.

[Woochifer]

By the way, someone mentioned that movie sales for the PSP were a flop, well of course.Think of the hurdles: the movies were over priced, they only played on Sony-branded devices, the selection was abysmal, free content was easily available everywhere, and there weren't that many PSPs out there.

60 million = not that many PSPs

This argument always gets pranced out for these discussions, and no one ever mentions that this analysis is based only on sales figures. Big DUH! Why pay for movies when the net is crawling with free ones that would play just fine on the PSP? I'm not condoning piracy in any way, but that's why the "sales figures" were so low. Calling the technology a failure based on this fact, smacks of the same myopic analysis of this whole industry, one that only looks at one small self-serving factor.

Gosh, basing an analysis on sales figures. Never knew that was such a nonsensical concept in your bizarro world, given that revenue is what supports the content in the first place.

In contrast to the abysmal UMD movie sales, the game sales for the PSP have been very strong. Perhaps your myopia stems from the fact that people are using the devices for their primary purpose -- i.e., portable gaming. Much the same way that smartphones are primarily used as phones. Just because something has video capability does not mean that the capability is used frequently.

The technology itself isn't a failure. It's all too often just another superfluous feature that gets added, not because consumers want or use it, but because it adds another line to the feature checklist (which of course, is how to make lazy tech reviewers go giddy over something).

I mean, nearly all Blu-ray players now come with internet connections, yet only a small fraction of them are actually connected to the internet or make use of the BD Live features. Shocking but true -- people buy Blu-ray players primarily to watch Blu-ray movies!

In case you still didn't know, Von Braun was the brainchild behind Tomorowland. Do you want me to tell you who built Disney's House of the future? Monsanto. Richfield Oil built Autopia. The list goes on: General Electric, McDonald Douglas, and that constant, the US Armed Forces. Disney's long history championing war, rockets, atomic energy, and such social constructs as conformity, the nuclear family, subservience to authority, and the glorification of material possessions permeates their entire message.

Their advertising is carefully selected to promote conservative ideals,

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You want to talk about how Disney affects the masses today? How about the stereotyping of blacks, Asians, Latinos in all their movies?

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These are all messages that we pretend are OK for children, but really aren't.
That you refuse to see this, and that you dismiss it outright tells me you're much more of a hypocrite than I am. And the fact that you also dismiss the militarism, the corporate support for ultra-right wing causes, and the ongoing corporatist behavior, tells me you are much more of an arch-conservative than you care to admit. Next time you stand on that soap-box to defend your supposed left-wing causes, don't be surprised if some of the more attentive denizens here point that out to you. I think you're the bigger hypocrite here.

So when did you stop watching ABC, going to Disneyland, watching Disney movies, and supporting all of the revenue generating activities that this Nazi-rooted company provides? The next time you make mention of watching a Disney movie or watching a show on ABC would make you the bigger hypocrite.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Look, lil't, I've been complaining about Microsoft's corporate policies for years. I'm no fan of Apple's or Google corporate policies, either, so calling me a hypocrite is just asinine. Just read my past posts. You on the other hand, lump all computer workers in one category (well except for the Japanese ones, but we've covered that already), and then jump through all kinds of hoops to vilify them in one stroke. It simply doesn't work that way.

It doesn't work that for you because you want to put little halo's around the heads of the computer industry, while turning the mouse into a devil. That is not going to work here.

What is hypocritical, rather, is your constant railing about computer companies invading your privacy when Disney does it in spades.

Exactly how can Disney do this, they don't gather information on your internet viewing habits do they? They are storing every site you have visited on their search engine, they don't even have one. So can you explain(rather than to just deflect and lie) about how they do this?

Your rant about iTunes, is exemplary. Why can't I rip movies to a digital medium?

Didn't you say you did already? Aren't movies already in a digital medium? Every Disney movie on Blu ray comes with a digital copy that allows you to rip into iTunes, or just store on your computer and move it to any display device. Your blowin smoke man.

Why do I need to keep buying the same movie over & over every time a new format comes out?

Last time I checked, nobody was holding a gun to your head and telling you to do so. Its your choice. You don't even have to buy ONE movie if you don't want to. However, I HAVE to use Windows, I HAVE to use Google or any other search engine, and I have no choice in that. If I use Google, I have no choice in guarding my privacy, these guys can mine any information on me they desire, and I cannot stop them, whether its Google, Bing or Yahoo.

Why do I have to sit through stupid advertisements and sponsorships every time I put a Disney DVD in my player?

You have to sit through advertisements on most movies from every studio, and I have to sit through advertisements when I watch youTube, or have to deal with stupid advertising popups from Bing and other search engines. Everyone has their cross to bear don't they?

WTF is an add for the army doing on my kid's Tinkerbell movie?

If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you buy it, don't cry about what you see on it. This is choice you have.

Disney's got it's grubby hands all over that nonsense. You are quick to scream privacy when it comes to computers, but the minute the topic inches over to movies, all of a sudden, you turn into the biggest corporate tightwad I've seen. Cute, for a little imp, but it doesn't wash.

Disney doesn't give information to communist governments that allow a person to be jailed for life, but Google did. If I complain about the computer industry, you turn into the biggest liar on the planet trying to play down the damage they do. What if it was you wife Google turned on and got put in jail, would you be so quick to play that down two standard hypocrite?

And I guess you need some more examples of Disney's checkered past. OK, I'll list some more. Back when I was younger I remember a gem called Our Friend the Atom about how we're supposed to all "stop worrying and love the bomb." It isn't for nothing someone made a movie called Dr. Strangelove; are you too dense to see the connection? This was well after Disney died, by the way. There have been a number of recent books describing Disney's distrubing policies, both in the past and the present, but I guess you'd like to ignore those as well.

Wow, you were a stupid little kid who turned into a stupid adult. The idea of the movie was to promote Nuclear power for peaceful energy purposes, not for war stupid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Friend_the_Atom

Dr. Strangelove was made by Stanley Kubrick for Hawk films, not Disney stupid. So there is no connection, not here, and not in that pea brain of yours either. Paranoia is not cute.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Strangelove

There have also been recent books on Microsoft an Google and their disturbing practices as well. I have one it is called Google Planet, shall I delve into it to refresh your memory?

In case you still didn't know, Von Braun was the brainchild behind Tomorowland. Do you want me to tell you who built Disney's House of the future? Monsanto. Richfield Oil built Autopia. The list goes on: General Electric, McDonald Douglas, and that constant, the US Armed Forces. Disney's long history championing war, rockets, atomic energy, and such social constructs as conformity, the nuclear family, subservience to authority, and the glorification of material possessions permeates their entire message.

Funny, I don't see that message in Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Pinocchio, Fantasia, Bambi, Alice in Wonderland, Old Yeller, One Hundred and One Dalmations shall I go on?

Can you tell me what is wrong with Atomic energy. There are Nuclear plants all over the Globe, and you have one quite close to you as well. They don't seem evil to me, and it shouldn't to you since you get some of your electricity from one.

Google does business in the land of conformity, as does Microsoft, Dell, HP, and quite a few other computer companies. That land would be China.

I believe computer products from all of the major computer manufacturers are used for war as well, right? Not WWII, but Iraq and Afghanistan in 2010, so your beloved industry has its own war ties. Off goes the halo!

Doesn't your kid listen to you? That would make him subservient to you wouldn't it? Does not seem like Disney has a monopoly on that does it?

Their advertising is carefully selected to promote conservative ideals, the company and it's top brass overwhelmingly support conservative causes, and their products surreptitiously include symbols that perpetuate these ideals. And all this is being presented as child-safe entertainment! I mean are you seriously going to try and defend that? At what point does your conscience give you pause?

When does your conscience give you a pause, after thousands of Chinese dissidents are dead, or millions behind your pure innocent computer industry's cow towing to the almighty Chinese Government.

Their advertising is meant to promote Disney products, not ideas.

So if you don't think their entertainment is child safe, then why in the hell did you buy Tinkerbell for your kid stupid. What are you, a bad father or a stupid one? Hypocrite on steroids.

You want to talk about how Disney affects the masses today? How about the stereotyping of blacks, Asians, Latinos in all their movies?

Your right, in the past they have stereotyped. Now, can you name me one Black, Asian or Latino that is CEO of a computer hardware or software maker?

The stereotypical roles that women have?

Can you tell me how many computer hardware and software companies have women as a CEO? The last company that had one tarred and feather her on the way out the door.

The formula plots that always have the same ending?

Didn't stop you from buying Tinker bell did it hypocrite.

The blind faith in the military and technology to solve the world's problems.

That same military that you industry supplies hardware and software for?

Need some examples? Why does just about every character who happens to be black have to have exaggerated lips, nose and hair or talk slang (Blackfish, Frozone, Sunflower the Centaur, Sebastian, etc.)?

Why are there no Black CEO of any major hardware or software manufacturer?

Why is every villain always darker than the rest of the characters and why do they almost always have slanted eyes (Jafar, RedMan, Cruella)?

Why are all of the CEO's of major computer manufacturers white men?

Why are women always portrayed as the "weaker sex" (BoBeep, Jasmine, Cinderella, etc.)?

Why are women underrepresented in the higher ranks of management in the computer industry?

And why are women portrayed with such overly sexualized features with large hips, unnaturally small waists, tiny mouths, and big star-struck eyes?

Why is that the focus of your viewing?

Finally, what's with the obsession with rockets, guns, social hierarchies, and money in the more recent movies?

Why are all the computer companies rushing to a country that controls its citizen with an iron glove, keeps them ignorant of what is going on in the outside world, and allows the government to hack peoples emails which gets them jailed and sometimes killed?

Likewise, it's not OK to whack someone upside the head with a hammer, throw them off a cliff, or kick them in the rear with all your might, but yet, that's all too common in Disney films.

Likewise it is not okay to use your monopoly to kill off the competition, create closed eco-systems, spy on people surfing habits, track people via their phones without their knowledge, collect information on them, and force upgrades to their computers by not supporting what they sell?

These are all messages that we pretend are OK for children, but really aren't. My guess is that they add the sex, the racism, and violence to cater to the adult audience, knowing full well that these adults will be sitting in the same theater with their kids, and you wouldn't want them to get bored. There's a serious problem with a company that has such a horrid past, refuses to acknowledge any culpability in it, and then continues to perpetuate the same disturbing messages in ways that today are still tolerated. Just as Dumbo and the Jungle Book are now widely seen as overtly racist and sexist, so too will the next generation think this of Monsters Inc. and Cars.

And yet you still purchased our movies hypocrite. You complain about what we do, and still buy our movies. What a weak knee'd fool. If we are so evil, stop buying our products, don't go to Disneyland, don't watch the Disney or Family Channel, and just do not support us in any way. Disney does not need the money from a two faced hypocrite.

That you refuse to see this, and that you dismiss it outright tells me you're much more of a hypocrite than I am. And the fact that you also dismiss the militarism, the corporate support for ultra-right wing causes, and the ongoing corporatist behavior, tells me you are much more of an arch-conservative than you care to admit. Next time you stand on that soap-box to defend your supposed left-wing causes, don't be surprised if some of the more attentive denizens here point that out to you. I think you're the bigger hypocrite here.

Funny, you refused to see what your industry has done as well. Your industry supports the military, you CEO's are right wing supporters, support right wing causes, and have corporatist behaviors. Remove the blinders and the fake halo's nightstupid

You can call me a arch-conservative all you please, but I have not seen one thing that a arch liberal has really done to end racism, sexism, elitism, classism, or any other ism other than to pay it lip service. You are a prime example of that pointing out the evils of Disney, and turning your hypocritcal butt around and buying our products. Its all lip service and no action. Why don't you just shut the hell up and stop buying our stuff. It is really that simple.

For your information, I am a registered independent.

[Mr Peabody]

Not taking sides, just some thoughts after reading all this. First off, which corporation is the biggest villan is not the "next big battle" that brought us here. Second, show me ONE good corporation. Show me one that wouldn't run their own mama down for a buck.

Isn't the point of advertising to target an audience? They don't try to sell feminin hygene during a football game nor Trix during CSI.

Because we have a Dem in the Presidential office doesn't automatically make every one else liberal. Although I distant myself from the Republican party when they lost sanity, good debate exactly when that was, and cast my vote for Obama, it makes me angry when people don't even give him a chance before attacking, however, you can take the man out of the conservatives but you can't take the conservative out of the man.

Disney is all about the prince and princesses. Selling the fantasy. It may not be politically correct but I can't think of one movie where the princess was 250 lbs. regardless who made it. I must be nieve but I fail to see the descrimination in the movie examples given. Didn't the Lone Ranger where a white hat? Every bad guy he arrested wore a black one, I don't believe the symbolism is toward any race.

It's just a fact of life that certain races have distinct features, and there are several, I think it would be a larger insult to try to hide those features. Just for the record I also think it's stupid to have kids play a game where there is no winner. Out of left field, maybe, but I get a since of that mentality coming through here. Cartoons are meant to be funny and entertain. Tom & Jerry, violence? I think so. Made by Disney? I'll stop here because this could be quite lengthy when listing Warner Bros. toons. Things can sometimes be exaggerated, look at Mr. Maggoo.

I'm just saying a lot of points trying to be made here, and can go all ways, is a bit like saying "the Bass are making the pond smell like fish".

[audio amateur]

Are you sure those are movies that people watch on their handhelds, rather than other shorter forms of video content? And where are they when doing this? Certainly not while they're driving, while they're walking down the street, while they are engaged in something else. As I pointed out, mobile devices are increasingly used for web activity, e-mail, messaging, and of course, audio. Those types of activities can be done for short bursts of time and don't necessarily require a big screen.

Not engaged in anything. These would mostly be people travelling. Plane train bus you name it. Even kids in the back seat during a road trip or long drive somewhere. Indeed, unless you have some time in front of you, you won't be watching a film on the handheld player (phone or other).

The pairing of big screen TVs with sofas represents the perfection of form and function. Compare this with sitting at a computer desk, or balancing a notebook computer on your lap, or staring down at a 4" screen to watch video. That's why TVs dominate the viewing time by such a wide margin.

It would be stupid to assume (given the choice) that someone would rather watch a film on a 4" screen over a 40" plasma.

[Mr Peabody]

I think that's the crux of the whole thing. Hand held devices provide a mobility to video. On a long trip, plane or train, I could see some one watching a movie on a small screen. It makes time fly and small screen is better than no screen. The young find time and places to watch video we couldn't imagine.

The real battle will be who provides the content to the 40".

[audio amateur]

I guess it depends upon your point of reference. My iPhone screen is 3" x 2" for a total of six square inches . My mid-sized laptop is 14" x 7.5" for a total of one hundred five square inches - or nearly twenty times the amount of screen real estate. Are your phones any bigger?

rw

Not sure I understand, bigger than a laptop's screen? Well no, but that's not what I'm saying. NF & I are including laptops in the whole portable movie playing devices. Granted, laptop screens are quite a bit bigger.

[E-Stat]

Not sure I understand, bigger than a laptop's screen? Well no, but that's not what I'm saying. NF & I are including laptops in the whole portable movie playing devices. Granted, laptop screens are quite a bit bigger.

I guess I'm confused by comments made by both of you concerning cell phones:

NF: "You're missing the point. Your sales figures don't include cell phones. Those are also screens, and in the very near future, they will be used to watch everything from broadcast TV to full-length movies. The number of smart phones out there is staggering in comparison to TV sets."

You: "Strange... Here they're definitely getting better. iphone style I guess. Touch screen technology is being used rather than keyboards simply because they have to use the whole area of the phone in order to maximize screen size."

Cell phones and laptops have significantly different screen sizes!

rw

[pixelthis]

I guess I'm confused by comments made by both of you concerning cell phones:

NF: "You're missing the point. Your sales figures don't include cell phones. Those are also screens, and in the very near future, they will be used to watch everything from broadcast TV to full-length movies. The number of smart phones out there is staggering in comparison to TV sets."

You: "Strange... Here they're definitely getting better. iphone style I guess. Touch screen technology is being used rather than keyboards simply because they have to use the whole area of the phone in order to maximize screen size."

Cell phones and laptops have significantly different screen sizes!

rw

And lets not forget LG and their new projector fone, projects a 40" pic onto the wall.