The next big battle

[audio amateur]

I guess it depends upon your point of reference. My iPhone screen is 3" x 2" for a total of six square inches . My mid-sized laptop is 14" x 7.5" for a total of one hundred five square inches - or nearly twenty times the amount of screen real estate. Are your phones any bigger?

rw

Not sure I understand, bigger than a laptop's screen? Well no, but that's not what I'm saying. NF & I are including laptops in the whole portable movie playing devices. Granted, laptop screens are quite a bit bigger.

[poppachubby]

I understand what NF is saying. More and more, you see people watching movies, yes movies on a handheld apparitus, whether it be iphone cell phone laptop and what have you; usually on the go of course. Some people commute for quite a while, so if theyre not reading a book, why not? This will only be more common as cell phone screens get bigger and better.
It seems the US phone market isn't quite like it is here, it always looks like US phones are a couple years lagging, but I could be wrong. It's the impression i get when i'm in the US, which means Americans might not be watching as much video on their portable screens as they are in Europe (because of the less capable phones). But then Americans usually commute longer.

Of course it's not the same experience as it is with a massive home screen, but it's still happening. Whether or not it's more popular or will be than home viewing, I can't say. Probably not, but who knows...

Going back several years, 10 perhaps, I spent a good deal of time in Europe; Eindhoven, Liverpool and Roma. I was blown away by the cell phone technology and its availability. Not sure where things stand now, but I'm sure that Europe is ahead of Canada anyhow.

[audio amateur]

Going back several years, 10 perhaps, I spent a good deal of time in Europe; Eindhoven, Liverpool and Roma. I was blown away by the cell phone technology and its availability. Not sure where things stand now, but I'm sure that Europe is ahead of Canada anyhow.

10 years ago they were still black and white, lol.

[poppachubby]

10 years ago they were still black and white, lol.

Heh, I wasn't speaking to video capability. Just cell phones in general.

[Woochifer]

I understand what NF is saying. More and more, you see people watching movies, yes movies on a handheld apparitus, whether it be iphone cell phone laptop and what have you; usually on the go of course. Some people commute for quite a while, so if theyre not reading a book, why not? This will only be more common as cell phone screens get bigger and better.

Are you sure those are movies that people watch on their handhelds, rather than other shorter forms of video content? And where are they when doing this? Certainly not while they're driving, while they're walking down the street, while they are engaged in something else. As I pointed out, mobile devices are increasingly used for web activity, e-mail, messaging, and of course, audio. Those types of activities can be done for short bursts of time and don't necessarily require a big screen.

Of course it's not the same experience as it is with a massive home screen, but it's still happening. Whether or not it's more popular or will be than home viewing, I can't say. Probably not, but who knows...

It's nowhere near the viewership of home viewing. Electronics firms have figured out how to pack multitudes of features into different devices, but they still haven't figured out how to conquer the sofa/easy chair. The pairing of big screen TVs with sofas represents the perfection of form and function. Compare this with sitting at a computer desk, or balancing a notebook computer on your lap, or staring down at a 4" screen to watch video. That's why TVs dominate the viewing time by such a wide margin.

[audio amateur]

Are you sure those are movies that people watch on their handhelds, rather than other shorter forms of video content? And where are they when doing this? Certainly not while they're driving, while they're walking down the street, while they are engaged in something else. As I pointed out, mobile devices are increasingly used for web activity, e-mail, messaging, and of course, audio. Those types of activities can be done for short bursts of time and don't necessarily require a big screen.

Not engaged in anything. These would mostly be people travelling. Plane train bus you name it. Even kids in the back seat during a road trip or long drive somewhere. Indeed, unless you have some time in front of you, you won't be watching a film on the handheld player (phone or other).

The pairing of big screen TVs with sofas represents the perfection of form and function. Compare this with sitting at a computer desk, or balancing a notebook computer on your lap, or staring down at a 4" screen to watch video. That's why TVs dominate the viewing time by such a wide margin.

It would be stupid to assume (given the choice) that someone would rather watch a film on a 4" screen over a 40" plasma.

[nightflier]

Lil't, I'm quite surprised you praise Japanese techies for not being driven by market forces, yet, you base your entire argument, and I'm going to guess, your entire existence, on market forces. How hypocritical is that?

And your insistence on the Japanese techies being separate is completely ludicrous. I am currently working on a project with a team of programmers in China and Japan as I'm writing this. One of our team members is in Sweden, so you are completely out of touch with what's happening with the computer / high-tech industry. Funny side note is that I just translated your post to the Japanese team and they think you are a stereotyping racist (at least that's how the translation came through, I'm sure it wasn't meant as harsh as that, but certainly funny).

On a more serious note, I completely disagree that every single American worker is a money-grubbing profit-above-all kind of low-life, as you are wont to describe us. I can of course only speak for my own colleagues, but at least in our field (the one you so like to deride), that is the exception rather than the norm. Techies, and especially programmers, consider themselves in a much more democratic and egalitarian light. As a matter of fact, that is what makes us who we are, it drives us, and, I dare say, it is the reason why the Internet is not entirely a corporate pay-as-you-go Sinclairian Jungle. It is the reason why we have Open Source, Net Neutrality, and such less tangible terms you can't wrap your head around like Netiquette (certainly not something you adhere to here). Ah, if only you could control my comments the way your company wants to control content.

I can assure you that if Disney was running things, this wouldn't be the case. Did he ever mention Disney's fascist roots? About how Walt liked to hire former Nazi war criminals, even bringing a former Auschwitz vivisection doctor of POWs to help proselytize children to the Disney culture? How's that for a great business model? Yeah, I'm perfectly fine working in my own industry - it has some bad people too, but nothing on that scale.

E-Stat, most of the video I use is on one of my computer screens.

GMichael, yes I watch video on my phone, although they aren't often entertainment, more like training, news and work-related stuff. I would tell you that I have a few movies on SD as well, but I'm sure lil't would report me to the MPAA, or some other proto-fascist kill-all-fun group he's associated with that he can sick on me. So no, on the record, I do not store any commercial video on any digital memory storage device.

MrP., develop it and we use what we produce, but I can't discuss this in more detail.

AA, you took the words out of my mouth. What is crucially different in Europe and Asia is that people commute on public transportation at rates that are nothing like here. This gives them much more time to watch video on portable devices - they certainly aren't going to lug around their TVs for that, lol. Funny side note: I recently had to join my director for a conference in San Diego. I figured, great, I'll get some time to chat him up about some personnel issues since it's a long & boring drive. Not entirely. I had to add figures to a presentation that we were editing on the video screens in the car. Fortunately, my assistant did most of it, but yes, editing with a cell phone is no fun, so I realize that the technology needs some improvements, but that's what my company does, so I guess the good news in all this is that my job is pretty secure.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Lil't, I'm quite surprised you praise Japanese techies for not being driven by market forces, yet, you base your entire argument, and I'm going to guess, your entire existence, on market forces. How hypocritical is that?

Nightliar, this issue has be debated an argued to death. The reason the CE companies have been so successful is because they(unlike the American technology sector) think in the long term. This is well documented. They also have a stronger work ethic, think more nationalistic, and have more pride in their accomplishments.

And your insistence on the Japanese techies being separate is completely ludicrous. I am currently working on a project with a team of programmers in China and Japan as I'm writing this. One of our team members is in Sweden, so you are completely out of touch with what's happening with the computer / high-tech industry. Funny side note is that I just translated your post to the Japanese team and they think you are a stereotyping racist (at least that's how the translation came through, I'm sure it wasn't meant as harsh as that, but certainly funny).

Just another lie, and don't believe you for a second. You lie much too quickly to cover your absent minded hide.

On a more serious note, I completely disagree that every single American worker is a money-grubbing profit-above-all kind of low-life, as you are wont to describe us.

I see your reading and comprehension skills are breaking down AGAIN! I did not say EVERY American worker, I said the American Computer industry. Not every American works in the computer industry do they?

I can of course only speak for my own colleagues, but at least in our field (the one you so like to deride), that is the exception rather than the norm.

More BS. The very reason those in the film industry cannot stand those in the American computer industry comes from the fact they don't love film(or video), and it is just a commondity the computer industry uses to sell their ware(hello Apple and Microsoft). The film industry has a very close partnership with the Japanese CE industry, because they work to make films look good as it can on home video, not try to compress the life out of it, and show it on a tiny screen that shows no detail of the production.

Techies, and especially programmers, consider themselves in a much more democratic and egalitarian light. As a matter of fact, that is what makes us who we are, it drives us, and, I dare say, it is the reason why the Internet is not entirely a corporate pay-as-you-go Sinclairian Jungle. It is the reason why we have Open Source, Net Neutrality, and such less tangible terms you can't wrap your head around like Netiquette (certainly not something you adhere to here). Ah, if only you could control my comments the way your company wants to control content.

We don't wrap our heads around your version of Open Source, or Net Neutrality. You see, it cost to get a computer, and computer manufacturers want to get paid for their wares. They make software, and just like in the film industry, they guard their IP like a nazi would. However while teckies sit at the computers they purchased (or built from purchased parts) and work on the software(they could have purchased or stolen), they do not mind paying the computer industry, but stealing content from the film industry. So no, I do not agree with your pie in the sky assesment of the American techie.

I can assure you that if Disney was running things, this wouldn't be the case. Did he ever mention Disney's fascist roots? About how Walt liked to hire former Nazi war criminals, even bringing a former Auschwitz vivisection doctor of POWs to help proselytize children to the Disney culture? How's that for a great business model? Yeah, I'm perfectly fine working in my own industry - it has some bad people too, but nothing on that scale.

Do you really want to go down this path? Let us point out that Google presence in a certain country has cost political oppostion leaders their lives. Or how about anti trust issues of Microsoft in Europe. Do you want to discuss how Microsoft knowingly sold defective X-boxes because it cost them too much money to stop manufacturing the boxes and fix the issue. Or how about the fact the computer industry is the largest exporters of American jobs, and the largest importer of cheap foreign workers.

Disney has never done anything as evil as the computer industry has, or effected nearly the amount of people. Besides Mr. Disengenious, The Mr. Disney you speak of is no longer alive, and has not been for decades. However, the computer industry is doing their eveil in real time NOW!

AA, you took the words out of my mouth. What is crucially different in Europe and Asia is that people commute on public transportation at rates that are nothing like here. This gives them much more time to watch video on portable devices - they certainly aren't going to lug around their TVs for that, lol. Funny side note: I recently had to join my director for a conference in San Diego. I figured, great, I'll get some time to chat him up about some personnel issues since it's a long & boring drive. Not entirely. I had to add figures to a presentation that we were editing on the video screens in the car. Fortunately, my assistant did most of it, but yes, editing with a cell phone is no fun, so I realize that the technology needs some improvements, but that's what my company does, so I guess the good news in all this is that my job is pretty secure.

Blah, Blah, Blah, we weren't discussing the viewing practices of Europeans, we are talking about Americans. Your constant spinning is making me nauseous. Now you are including the worlds viewing habits in a discussion on American viewing habit to attempt to butruss your point. Such weak knee'd tactic shows the lameness and desperation of you just trying to be right in this debate.

[audio amateur]

I can assure you that if Disney was running things, this wouldn't be the case. Did he ever mention Disney's fascist roots? About how Walt liked to hire former Nazi war criminals, even bringing a former Auschwitz vivisection doctor of POWs to help proselytize children to the Disney culture? How's that for a great business model?

Is that for real or another trick from someone who had issues with Disney? Sounds aweful...

AA, you took the words out of my mouth. What is crucially different in Europe and Asia is that people commute on public transportation at rates that are nothing like here.

Very true. But then as I previously mentionned, an American's commute is often longer than the average European, simply because everything there is so spread out.

How's the car hunt going?

[nightflier]

Is that for real or another trick from someone who had issues with Disney? Sounds aweful...

That Walt had fascist leanings is no secret, but the company as a whole has had a very disturbing past and this permeates everything they do today. lil't will try to whitewash this, but they did hire a number of former Nazis to drive the company's marketing programs. I'll do some digging and find the exact name of that SS officer who was convicted of vivisecting allied POWs (as well as Jewish, Communist, and black prisoners). Despite all that, he was made head of the youth marketing division. The Disney company's ties to Nazi-ism are well documented in a number of books.

But what I'm getting at is the mind-set of the argumentation here; it is exemplary of the corporate culture at Disney and this corporate culture is still, today, very much extremely right-wing. I'll be the first to rail against corporate abuses in my own industry (and I have), but Disney is really way off the deep end. The fact that they make movies targeted at children and families, does not at all contradict their corporate culture, as a matter of fact it's a fundamental piece of the process - you can use your imagination to consider where this leads. Walmart, McDonald's, IBP, ADM, and a whole host of the most abusive corporations took their models from Disney.

So while large computer companies sometimes do engage in anti-competitive practices (Microsoft and Google certainly have their own skeletons), this is still an issue of degrees. Disney equally engages in anti-competitive practices but they just haven't been caught yet. But in addition, this company has a very sordid and shameful past that still permeates its corporate structure today. I consider it particularly galling when an employee of this corporation stands on a soapbox and suggests that his company has the moral high ground.

And regarding our Japanese team, they said lil't is a big fat jack-a$$ (and the translator got that spot on).

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

That Walt had fascist leanings is no secret, but the company as a whole has had a very disturbing past and this permeates everything they do today. lil't will try to whitewash this, but they did hire a number of former Nazis to drive the company's marketing programs. I'll do some digging and find the exact name of that SS officer who was convicted of vivisecting allied POWs (as well as Jewish, Communist, and black prisoners). Despite all that, he was made head of the youth marketing division. The Disney company's ties to Nazi-ism are well documented in a number of books.

Spin away, your talking ancient history, and the computer industry is bilking folks RIGHT NOW. This is a true example of deflection if I ever saw one. Your are spreading pure lies here, where is your proof that Disney did any of this. Everyone knows that Disney was anti nazi, where is your proof nightliar?

This says your are a big fat liar

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...sney-a-fascist

So does this

http://beyondthemouse.com/conspiracy...mpathizer/546/

This document Walt Disney studio role in the war effort AGAINST the Nazi's

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney's_World_War_II_propaganda_production

But what I'm getting at is the mind-set of the argumentation here; it is exemplary of the corporate culture at Disney and this corporate culture is still, today, very much extremely right-wing. I'll be the first to rail against corporate abuses in my own industry (and I have), but Disney is really way off the deep end. The fact that they make movies targeted at children and families, does not at all contradict their corporate culture, as a matter of fact it's a fundamental piece of the process - you can use your imagination to consider where this leads. Walmart, McDonald's, IBP, ADM, and a whole host of the most abusive corporations took their models from Disney.

The is BS if I ever read it. Your are repeating internet lies fool

So while large computer companies sometimes do engage in anti-competitive practices (Microsoft and Google certainly have their own skeletons), this is still an issue of degrees. Disney equally engages in anti-competitive practices but they just haven't been caught yet. But in addition, this company has a very sordid and shameful past that still permeates its corporate structure today. I consider it particularly galling when an employee of this corporation stands on a soapbox and suggests that his company has the moral high ground.

So you are saying that Disney anti competitive practices are worse than Microsoft and Googles? Unfreakin believable!!! Disney didn't backrupt Netscape did it? No, Microsoft did. Disney didn't threaten American computer manufacturers that if they bundled Netscape into their computers, they would not get its support did it? Nope, Microsoft did Disney is not facing or has faced anti trust litigation against it in Europe has it. Nope Microsoft is Does Disney have a monopoly on PC os system? Nope Microsoft does Does it abuse the fact that it is on 95% of the computers in the world? Nope Microsoft does. Did Disney hand over the records of some users of its social-networking service, Orkut, to the Brazilian government? Nope Google did Does Disney know more about you than the secret services? Nope, but Google does. Does Disney snoop and read your emails? Nope Google does Did Disney scan millions of books without the authors permission? No, but Google did. Did Disney invent a secondary search feature that and impose it on retail and media sites, undermining those site owners’ control of their users’ experience? Nope but Google did.

So your attempt at making the mouse more evil than the computer guys is a pure unadulterated lie. You have no proof that Disney did any of the things that you state, but I have plenty of proof of what I state.

So liar, where is your proof?

And regarding our Japanese team, they said lil't is a big fat jack-a$$ (and the translator got that spot on).

Being that you lie so easily, I doubt that you are even working with a "Japanese team". If your argument was so strong, you wouldn't need a bunch of "imaginary" people to support your fantasies.

Me thinks that you are suffering from a major case of "Harvey's" disease on steroids.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_(film)

[GMichael]

GMichael, yes I watch video on my phone, although they aren't often entertainment, more like training, news and work-related stuff. I would tell you that I have a few movies on SD as well, but I'm sure lil't would report me to the MPAA, or some other proto-fascist kill-all-fun group he's associated with that he can sick on me. So no, on the record, I do not store any commercial video on any digital memory storage device.

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Can you really enjoy a movie (not that you admit to watching movies) like that? Where do you keep the sub?

Work related and training I can see, as well as news or short U-tube type vids. What good is an action flick without the big explosions though? And what's a big explosion without a sub to shake your chest? Are they going to go the way of the "Bone-phone"?

[nightflier]

Can you really enjoy a movie (not that you admit to watching movies) like that? Where do you keep the sub?

Hypothetically, if I was a college student living in a dorm in a crowded suite, yes, because that would be the only means I would have of watching the movie. And before someone assumes that I would be watching a pirated movie (on account of being a college student and all), let's not forget that plugging in a player to a portable device isn't rocket science either. Likewise, most computers have DVD players as well.

For my own use and preference, that's not how I would prefer to view it, but then again, if I was on a plane, or away from home, then I'd have little choice in the matter.

By the way, someone mentioned that movie sales for the PSP were a flop, well of course. Think of the hurdles: the movies were over priced, they only played on Sony-branded devices, the selection was abysmal, free content was easily available everywhere, and there weren't that many PSPs out there. This argument always gets pranced out for these discussions, and no one ever mentions that this analysis is based only on sales figures. Big DUH! Why pay for movies when the net is crawling with free ones that would play just fine on the PSP? I'm not condoning piracy in any way, but that's why the "sales figures" were so low. Calling the technology a failure based on this fact, smacks of the same myopic analysis of this whole industry, one that only looks at one small self-serving factor.

[E-Stat]

Hypothetically, if I was a college student living in a dorm in a crowded suite, yes, because that would be the only means I would have of watching the movie.

Only means? Ever heard of a laptop computer? They are even required at many colleges. I certainly would prefer watching videos on a computer than my dinky iPhone.

rw

[Woochifer]

By the way, someone mentioned that movie sales for the PSP were a flop, well of course.Think of the hurdles: the movies were over priced, they only played on Sony-branded devices, the selection was abysmal, free content was easily available everywhere, and there weren't that many PSPs out there.

60 million = not that many PSPs

This argument always gets pranced out for these discussions, and no one ever mentions that this analysis is based only on sales figures. Big DUH! Why pay for movies when the net is crawling with free ones that would play just fine on the PSP? I'm not condoning piracy in any way, but that's why the "sales figures" were so low. Calling the technology a failure based on this fact, smacks of the same myopic analysis of this whole industry, one that only looks at one small self-serving factor.

Gosh, basing an analysis on sales figures. Never knew that was such a nonsensical concept in your bizarro world, given that revenue is what supports the content in the first place.

In contrast to the abysmal UMD movie sales, the game sales for the PSP have been very strong. Perhaps your myopia stems from the fact that people are using the devices for their primary purpose -- i.e., portable gaming. Much the same way that smartphones are primarily used as phones. Just because something has video capability does not mean that the capability is used frequently.

The technology itself isn't a failure. It's all too often just another superfluous feature that gets added, not because consumers want or use it, but because it adds another line to the feature checklist (which of course, is how to make lazy tech reviewers go giddy over something).

I mean, nearly all Blu-ray players now come with internet connections, yet only a small fraction of them are actually connected to the internet or make use of the BD Live features. Shocking but true -- people buy Blu-ray players primarily to watch Blu-ray movies!

In case you still didn't know, Von Braun was the brainchild behind Tomorowland. Do you want me to tell you who built Disney's House of the future? Monsanto. Richfield Oil built Autopia. The list goes on: General Electric, McDonald Douglas, and that constant, the US Armed Forces. Disney's long history championing war, rockets, atomic energy, and such social constructs as conformity, the nuclear family, subservience to authority, and the glorification of material possessions permeates their entire message.

Their advertising is carefully selected to promote conservative ideals,

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You want to talk about how Disney affects the masses today? How about the stereotyping of blacks, Asians, Latinos in all their movies?

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These are all messages that we pretend are OK for children, but really aren't.
That you refuse to see this, and that you dismiss it outright tells me you're much more of a hypocrite than I am. And the fact that you also dismiss the militarism, the corporate support for ultra-right wing causes, and the ongoing corporatist behavior, tells me you are much more of an arch-conservative than you care to admit. Next time you stand on that soap-box to defend your supposed left-wing causes, don't be surprised if some of the more attentive denizens here point that out to you. I think you're the bigger hypocrite here.

So when did you stop watching ABC, going to Disneyland, watching Disney movies, and supporting all of the revenue generating activities that this Nazi-rooted company provides? The next time you make mention of watching a Disney movie or watching a show on ABC would make you the bigger hypocrite.

[E-Stat]

E-Stat, most of the video I use is on one of my computer screens.

What does that have to do with the discussion as to what people will be doing with cell phones?

"With internal memory, cell phones can easily download whole TV shows and allow the one to view it later, so we're not just talking streaming, here."

rw

[nightflier]

What does that have to do with the discussion as to what people will be doing with cell phones?

We were talking about small and portable screens, I'm including the screen on my laptop into the discussion, not just the screens on cell phones.

[E-Stat]

We were talking about small and portable screens, I'm including the screen on my laptop into the discussion, not just the screens on cell phones.

Ok, I'll disregard all your previous comments about smartphones.

"You're missing the point. Your sales figures don't include cell phones. Those are also screens, and in the very near future, they will be used to watch everything from broadcast TV to full-length movies. The number of smart phones out there is staggering in comparison to TV sets."

Laptops can play Blu-ray discs for that matter.

rw

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

We were talking about small and portable screens, I'm including the screen on my laptop into the discussion, not just the screens on cell phones.

Most folks use their laptops for work, not as a mini movie theater. Any more lies you want to tell?

[Woochifer]

We were talking about small and portable screens, I'm including the screen on my laptop into the discussion, not just the screens on cell phones.

Amazing that you're still trying to spin this when facts and basic common sense conspire against you.

[Mr Peabody]

Nice try Sir T, every one knows those mouse ear hats were more than just a hat! They were used for mind control of those little kids. They probably make you wear one too which would explain a lot.

And, you all have it wrong, just do what I do, I have two I-phones and sync the same program on each and hold one over the left eye and one over the right eye, you can't tell the difference between that and a big screen. Sometimes if my sync isn't just perfect I even get 3D. Now I'm working on some type of sling for my arms because they get damn tired holding those phones.up.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Nice try Sir T, every one knows those mouse ear hats were more than just a hat! They were used for mind control of those little kids. They probably make you wear one too which would explain a lot.

Yeah, you are right, and I am busted. The ears house little antenna's that Disney designed so we could wirelessly beam our propaganda directly to their brains. Anyone that did not have the ears could not get our decoded message. Oh, and by the way, did you know that the in our movie Snow White and the Three Bears, the porridge was really the boiled remnants of young children that Walt lured into the studio?

And, you all have it wrong, just do what I do, I have two I-phones and sync the same program on each and hold one over the left eye and one over the right eye, you can't tell the difference between that and a big screen. Sometimes if my sync isn't just perfect I even get 3D. Now I'm working on some type of sling for my arms because they get damn tired holding those phones.up.

I have this great sound system to go with your dual iPhone setup. I purpose a system of five Bose cubes suspended in space around you with fishing wire(gotta avoid reflections and keep the mounting system"invisible" acoustically). A Bose sub woofer will sit under a pillow beneath you, and give you the same effective sensation as a tactile inducer.

There is no way Sony, Panasonic, or Pioneer could design a system with better 3D and holosonic abilities as this system!

[GMichael]

Yeah, you are right, and I am busted. The ears house little antenna's that Disney designed so we could wirelessly beam our propaganda directly to their brains. Anyone that did not have the ears could not get our decoded message. Oh, and by the way, did you know that the in our movie Snow White and the Three Bears, the porridge was really the boiled remnants of young children that Walt lured into the studio?



I have this great sound system to go with your dual iPhone setup. I purpose a system of five Bose cubes suspended in space around you with fishing wire(gotta avoid reflections and keep the mounting system"invisible" acoustically). A Bose sub woofer will sit under a pillow beneath you, and give you the same effective sensation as a tactile inducer.

There is no way Sony, Panasonic, or Pioneer could design a system with better 3D and holosonic abilities as this system!

Could you hang these from the mouse ears so that Mr. P's arms can have a rest?

[GMichael]

Nice try Sir T, every one knows those mouse ear hats were more than just a hat! They were used for mind control of those little kids. They probably make you wear one too which would explain a lot.

And, you all have it wrong, just do what I do, I have two I-phones and sync the same program on each and hold one over the left eye and one over the right eye, you can't tell the difference between that and a big screen. Sometimes if my sync isn't just perfect I even get 3D. Now I'm working on some type of sling for my arms because they get damn tired holding those phones.up.

ROTFLMFAO..

Thanks P. I needed that. But now I need a paper towel to clean up all the coffee I just spit out.

[nightflier]

lil't, would you mind explaining who Heinz Haber was? How about Wernher von Braun? Maybe you'd like to explain why Walt hired a Chicago crime boss to violently break the Screen Cartoonists Guild strike? Maybe you'd like to explain Walt being an FBI informer and a notorious "witness" in the infamous HUAC trials?

Old history, you say? Then what about the long history of financial support for right-wing candidates by Disney executives even up to today? David Duke ring a bell? How about Michael Issa? Gilchrest? Proposition 8, here in California? Wasn't Disney Corp was one of the big backers behind Prop 13, the very reason we are now in the financial mess we're in? Doesn't Disney continue today to fight any minimum wage hikes? I'm sure these issues don't affect you with your income and status and all, but as a Democrat, you should just pause for a second, between golf rounds with your rich executive friends, and ask yourself who you work for.