Quote Originally Posted by E-Stat
"The dipole/bipole speaker radiates 50% of its output forward, and 50% backwards and nothing to its sides."

Nothing to the sides? Sure they do. C'mon, T - you know all about reflection points both laterally and above (at least with point source speakers). If there were no side radiation, such would not exist.
Then you have made my point. Now I must include side reflections, celling reflections along with the rearward ones. You have also concurred with my point that reflections do not travel in straight paths. Isn't this easier than the BS angle?


Nope. I've lived with dipoles and monopoles for over thirty years. Hint: room treatments.
Treatments alter the natural direct to reflection ratio of the speaker(band aid). If you do that, then all you are doing is changing the ratio of the reflection pattern from vary degrees of a dipole to a monopole. If I did the same thing with a mono polar speakers frontal reflections, I still does change what I have previously stated. The speaker with the most output directed forward will have more of the original ambience of the recording rendered(hence the dipolar versus monopolar slant). You keep adding treatments, and that speakers rear output becomes less and less of an issue, and the speaker radiation pattern becomes more forward - much like a monopolar speaker.


I give up with your continued attempt at throwing all dipoles in the same corner, regardless of their directivity and regardless of the effect of minimizing room effect by acoustic treatments. Sheesh.
You should, its irrelevant. Treatments are a band aid in this equation.


You sure do like saying the same thing twice. No matter as I'll only answer once.
People who are logical get it the first time. People that are more emotional than logical have to be reminded more than once. We are talking science here, not Psychology. That requires logic and doesn't deal with emotions.

Sorry, I was talking about real world situations in real world rooms, not empty ones out of a textbook you talk about. You seem to have difficulty thinking outside this theoretical box with what happens in the real world.

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is."

Yogi Berra

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If you add in all the variables to suit your point, I still am correct, because I can also add variables as well. The bottom line is a monopole has less engagement with the room than a dipole has. I said that when I got into this thread, and now I am saying it as I exit it.