RGA - Audio Note AN J vs. Snell Type J !?!

[vr6ofpain]

I was outbid.....

[RGA]

Stupid E-bay says they're sending me a login code but I don't have it. Then when I DO get it - hopefully soon -- then I have to convince this guy to send it to Canada. I'll bid up to $350.00US -- they look to be in excellent shape.

Why don't these folks want to ship to Canada --- it's really not that hard???

[Geoffcin]

I was outbid.....

Bid on these instead;

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...764895726&rd=1

[RGA]

Geofcin -- but you're a panel lover -- AN is it mate http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.pl?...11315&review=1

And note his comment about the Rel Subwoofer!

A fellow name Miroslav at the Milan show --

"What strongly separated the Audio Note room from the others was the level of energy the system could create. This exceeded any other system at the show including the monster in the Avantgarde room. To complete the paradox, of all the rooms we were able to audition in two days only the Audio Note room featured a “small” single-ended amp. This says something about the meaning of POWER in absolute terms and of POWER SUPPLY in those same terms. It was completely obvious that the quality of the power supply is a KEY ELEMENT in the final sound. The only other amplification where the quality of power supply was obvious was the Halcro amp (see the other Milan page) but then I was not so crazy about it’s overall sound character. The Audio Note system was able to play at very high levels without adverse consequences – the character of the sound, the tonal balance and dynamics, remained unchanged irrespective of volume setting. No other room could demonstrate that! Another feature of the Audio Note room was MUSIC, not effects. There were no test discs, “audiophile” pressings or the like, just good music on Decca, Philips and other great labels. There were a few other rooms like that but way under 10% in total….sad really.
I think Audio Note may be the only serious company out there that isn’t directed by the noise of “market analyses”, the audio press etc. and this is paying off."

And TAH didn;t believe me that Peter owns Avante Gaurdes -- he has a set of Uno's in the closet at their plant

[theaudiohobby]

And TAH didn;t believe me that Peter owns Avante Gaurdes -- he has a set of Uno's in the closet at their plant

re-read your post, we have never mentioned Avant Gardes, Apogee and Avant Garde sound and spell different don't they?

[theaudiohobby]

Now something to poke fun at

Hi,
I have the AN E/Sp and have 4' feet from back wall and about 2' from side walls as measured from the tweeter. THey are 8' apart and toed in by about a foot behind my head.
My problem is a have a 53" RPTV in between which is about 2' in depth. How do you suggest I locate the spks? Right now imaging and soundstage are awesome with tremendous bass that sounds like there is a subwoofer on.

Paraphase
I need advice on the how to correctly position my great and wonderful speaker because I have an oversized TV plunking in the middle of my speakers, but right now 'imaging and soundstage are awesome and the bass sounds like there is a subwoofer on. , yes, really.

[Lord_Magnepan]

Lol, if all AN owners are like that...then good night.

[RGA]

Lol, if all AN owners are like that...then good night.

What people who like properly reproduced music -- what kind of owner are you?

[RGA]

re-read your post, we have never mentioned Avant Gardes, Apogee and Avant Garde sound and spell different don't they?

No I said he buys many of the major competitors speakers which you implied he does not. He has the Apogee Scintilla as of my last discourse with him last summer -- so unless he sold them I don't see why it would change. I should think that selling his expensive lines some people would indeed want to hear it directly against the other pricey gear...so it's nice that he can let them hear it and compare -- the Scintilla was supposedly the best of the planar lot so it behooves Peter to know what he's up against first -- I would think most companies interested in myusic reproduction would be doing the same thing though so this isn't to say Peter is superior -- if I was going to build Printers I'd buy several of what the reviews say ios best and figure out what is good about them what is bad and then build my printer with all the good stuff and then fix up some of the weaknesses. Indeed, companies who don't do that I'd wonder about.

[theaudiohobby]

No I said he buys many of the major competitors speakers which you implied he does not

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Your comments about Peter Q owning 100s of competitors product seems hyperbolic, a few maybe but 100s..hmm, even less likely if as you say he recommends a whole system approach.

It will be good idea to go and reread your old posts so that you do not misquote yourself , a photo of a single Avant Garde hardly translates into 100s of competitor's products, does it? I failed to notice the 100s of competitor's products in the photo ?

[Lord_Magnepan]

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It will be good idea to go and reread your old posts so that you do not misquote yourself , a photo of a single Avant Garde hardly translates into 100s of competitor's products, does it? I failed to notice the 100s of competitor's products in the photo ?

Besides if you own 100's of competitors speakers, than you would need a huge storage room and literaly 100's of electronics combinations and cables. Because its damn unfair to compare your speaker to another one when using matched electronics to your system but not matching components on the competitiors system.

I am sorry my friend, but AN seems like a freaking ripoff and a huge maerketing machine just like BOSE. Ok the sound better than BOSE and are surelly in the High END realm, but i still dont like what i read and heard so far.

[RGA]

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It will be good idea to go and reread your old posts so that you do not misquote yourself , a photo of a single Avant Garde hardly translates into 100s of competitor's products, does it? I failed to notice the 100s of competitor's products in the photo ?

Well I put it to you -- over the last 25 years has Peter owned at least 100+1 competitors products researching what it is they are doing...does he have them all now at this moment in time would make no sense --- he may not even have that Avante Gaurde -- once you've done the work pulling it apart and seeing what it's up too you don't need it anymore...I forgot one needs to be overly explicit with anal SOBS.

[vr6ofpain]

Bid on these instead;

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...764895726&rd=1

Spring clips.....I think not!

Stupid E-bay says they're sending me a login code but I don't have it. Then when I DO get it - hopefully soon -- then I have to convince this guy to send it to Canada. I'll bid up to $350.00US -- they look to be in excellent shape.

how much are these Snell's worth?

[Geoffcin]

Spring clips.....I think not!



how much are these Snell's worth?

Yeah I can see there would be a problem with no room in the slip for your Valhalla cables.

[vr6ofpain]

Yeah I can see there would be a problem with no room in the slip for your Valhalla cables.

I'm seriously laughing after reading that!

Actually my speaker cables in one system are cheap-o radio shack 'mega cable', and my main system I use some kimber kable 4VS (?? grey and black) that I got used off ebay for $30+shipping(3 runs of 8 feet, so 24 ft for $30).

[vr6ofpain]

I'm seriously laughing after reading that!

Actually my speaker cables in one system are cheap-o radio shack 'mega cable', and my main system I use some kimber kable 4VS (?? grey and black) that I got used off ebay for $30+shipping(3 runs of 8 feet, so 24 ft for $30).

but more to the point, i have spades which would not work with those. (just for your info, the spades were really cheap, i picked up a pack for two speakers (8 spades) for $3.99 at an audio parts store. there were apparently 'gold plated'.....they look gold plated, but i wouldn't say they are quality.

[Geoffcin]

but more to the point, i have spades which would not work with those. (just for your info, the spades were really cheap, i picked up a pack for two speakers (8 spades) for $3.99 at an audio parts store. there were apparently 'gold plated'.....they look gold plated, but i wouldn't say they are quality.

Magnepan in their infinite wisdom has one of the best, (or worse depending on how you see it terminal connectors). They are small set screws that close down on the bare wire. While probably fine if you dont mind stripping the connectors off your cables, the've forced many a maggie owner to purchase aftermarket spade terminals. I coun't my self one of the hoards that just can't bring themselves to strip off my spades.

[Geoffcin]

A hijacking of a thread about A/N speakers, instead of the other way around!

OK guys, here's your chance;

Let's see some hyper-verbose posts with inane circular arguments that will suck the life out of this thread as fast as possible. Remember to make sure that you post has nothing to do with this thread at all. Preferbably it should be on audio technology that you are just so in love with that it give you goose bumps just to even mention it.

[RGA]

Spring clips.....I think not!

how much are these Snell's worth?

Worth is in the eye of the beholder...they sold for under $200.00US. But the speaker is more than 23 years old and only retailed for $350.00US back then -- so all in all that isn't a horrible.

One guy on a forum last year (2004) was ready to buy a used 1992 bottom of the line AN K for $600.00GBP --- that AN K model retailed in 1992 for $599.00GBP.

Now this bottom K would be very similar to the original Snell...the difference i suspect is that Snell has largely lost popularity in huigh end circles and used prices can reflect whether or not a unit is popular. Audio Note because they keep tightening their models and raising prices inflates the alue of used Audio Note speakaers because people FORGET to look at what the specific model went for in the year it was sold.

So the AN K/D which this forumer was inquiring about looks at new Audio Note K models and sees $1,950.00. $600.00 then looks like quite a deal (and the original owner gets 12 years out of speaker for the difference in the value of the dollar from 1992 to 2004 and makes out well) This applies to many things non AN related as well of course. Brystons excellent warranty is a way to keep used prices high, models with the same name but adding MKII or Version 2 or SE can work because people figure that the V1 and V2 are probably the same or really close.

I had to go to an education conferance today to present a thesis and when I got home the bidding had ended for the Snell - the guy said he would have shipped it to me too -- oh well -- I would have doubled the highest bid because my dealer could easily make the upgrades on it. But the wiring and crossover does need to be replaced...still I think the K would be more suited to foam surrounds...but the Snell K driver is scarce.