• 04-01-2005, 04:34 PM
    vr6ofpain
    RGA - Audio Note AN J vs. Snell Type J !?!
  • 04-01-2005, 05:02 PM
    Jimmy C
    Well, I haven't...
    ...heard the ANs yet, but I had a pair of JIIs are they were pretty bad - very colored and closed-in sounding. The Dayton kit from PartsExpress is better in all areas for $139.

    I'm sure the Audio Notes are better, and I'll find out ONE of these days!

    I will say the Js were always non-fatigueing... you could play the worst recording in your collection, and it would be somewhat palatable. Problem is, nothing sounded great (even good, in my case).

    Some people into vintage gear liked the first series a bit better. You can try AudioAsylum.com for people that may have heard both.

    Your pic certainly looks like what I had, but mine was in Oak.
  • 04-01-2005, 06:24 PM
    RGA
    yes the original K -- the only differences will be the internal wiring cabinet materials and drivers but the cabinet shape is exactly the same. Indeed, Peter would have preferred to have had the original drivers over the VIFA ones he's using with his AN-K's Rubber is an atrrocious conduit for sucking the life out of bass resolution and he could not get a driver maker to replicate the K's driver to his spec -- he would have to buy them in 10,000 unit alotments and the K isn;t quite a big enough seller.

    The AN J gets considerably more bass than the original Snell Type J -- I have not heard the Snell J but the AN J sould remind the listener of and electrostatic openness in the midrange but not the narrow sweetspots of panels and it should have horn dynamics that presents a massive scale and power especially on horns with a front to back dimensionality that is rather spookey --- and at the same time be all day listenable even at louder levels. If the Snell J was not doing anything close to this then I would be surprised with all the raves Stereophile heaped on Snell and all the dealers carrying the line (These guys were huge in the 1980s). Indeed, Peter was a dealer so Snell stood out for some reason.

    The one negative aspect however with all of these speakers using foam surrounds is that in humid provinces or states and countries the foam could need replacing every 5 years. In B.C. 20 years+ but in Ontario = 5 years and when the foam begins to go the sound is ****e.
  • 04-01-2005, 06:26 PM
    RGA
    I think I will bid on them - re-foaming is cheap.
  • 04-01-2005, 06:47 PM
    vr6ofpain
    I was outbid..... :)
  • 04-01-2005, 07:11 PM
    RGA
    Stupid E-bay says they're sending me a login code but I don't have it. Then when I DO get it - hopefully soon -- then I have to convince this guy to send it to Canada. I'll bid up to $350.00US -- they look to be in excellent shape.

    Why don't these folks want to ship to Canada --- it's really not that hard???
  • 04-01-2005, 07:33 PM
    Geoffcin
    Save your $$$
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vr6ofpain
    I was outbid..... :)


    Bid on these instead;

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...764895726&rd=1
  • 04-01-2005, 07:58 PM
    RGA
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    Geofcin -- but you're a panel lover -- AN is it mate http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.pl?...11315&review=1

    And note his comment about the Rel Subwoofer!

    A fellow name Miroslav at the Milan show --

    "What strongly separated the Audio Note room from the others was the level of energy the system could create. This exceeded any other system at the show including the monster in the Avantgarde room. To complete the paradox, of all the rooms we were able to audition in two days only the Audio Note room featured a “small” single-ended amp. This says something about the meaning of POWER in absolute terms and of POWER SUPPLY in those same terms. It was completely obvious that the quality of the power supply is a KEY ELEMENT in the final sound. The only other amplification where the quality of power supply was obvious was the Halcro amp (see the other Milan page) but then I was not so crazy about it’s overall sound character. The Audio Note system was able to play at very high levels without adverse consequences – the character of the sound, the tonal balance and dynamics, remained unchanged irrespective of volume setting. No other room could demonstrate that! Another feature of the Audio Note room was MUSIC, not effects. There were no test discs, “audiophile” pressings or the like, just good music on Decca, Philips and other great labels. There were a few other rooms like that but way under 10% in total….sad really.
    I think Audio Note may be the only serious company out there that isn’t directed by the noise of “market analyses”, the audio press etc. and this is paying off."

    And TAH didn;t believe me that Peter owns Avante Gaurdes -- he has a set of Uno's in the closet at their plant
  • 04-01-2005, 11:29 PM
    vr6ofpain
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Geoffcin

    Spring clips.....I think not! :)

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RGA
    Stupid E-bay says they're sending me a login code but I don't have it. Then when I DO get it - hopefully soon -- then I have to convince this guy to send it to Canada. I'll bid up to $350.00US -- they look to be in excellent shape.

    how much are these Snell's worth?
  • 04-02-2005, 01:54 AM
    Geoffcin
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vr6ofpain
    Spring clips.....I think not! :)



    how much are these Snell's worth?

    Yeah I can see there would be a problem with no room in the slip for your Valhalla cables.
  • 04-02-2005, 04:50 AM
    theaudiohobby
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RGA
    And TAH didn;t believe me that Peter owns Avante Gaurdes -- he has a set of Uno's in the closet at their plant

    re-read your post, we have never mentioned Avant Gardes, Apogee and Avant Garde sound and spell different don't they?
  • 04-02-2005, 05:08 AM
    theaudiohobby
    Now something to poke fun at

    Quote:

    Hi,
    I have the AN E/Sp and have 4' feet from back wall and about 2' from side walls as measured from the tweeter. THey are 8' apart and toed in by about a foot behind my head.
    My problem is a have a 53" RPTV in between which is about 2' in depth. How do you suggest I locate the spks? Right now imaging and soundstage are awesome with tremendous bass that sounds like there is a subwoofer on.
    Paraphase
    I need advice on the how to correctly position my great and wonderful speaker because I have an oversized TV plunking in the middle of my speakers, but right now 'imaging and soundstage are awesome and the bass sounds like there is a subwoofer on. :p :p :p , yes, really.
  • 04-02-2005, 06:51 AM
    Lord_Magnepan
    Lol, if all AN owners are like that...then good night.
  • 04-02-2005, 08:04 AM
    vr6ofpain
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Geoffcin
    Yeah I can see there would be a problem with no room in the slip for your Valhalla cables.

    :)
    I'm seriously laughing after reading that!

    Actually my speaker cables in one system are cheap-o radio shack 'mega cable', and my main system I use some kimber kable 4VS (?? grey and black) that I got used off ebay for $30+shipping(3 runs of 8 feet, so 24 ft for $30).
  • 04-02-2005, 08:09 AM
    vr6ofpain
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vr6ofpain
    :)
    I'm seriously laughing after reading that!

    Actually my speaker cables in one system are cheap-o radio shack 'mega cable', and my main system I use some kimber kable 4VS (?? grey and black) that I got used off ebay for $30+shipping(3 runs of 8 feet, so 24 ft for $30).

    but more to the point, i have spades which would not work with those. (just for your info, the spades were really cheap, i picked up a pack for two speakers (8 spades) for $3.99 at an audio parts store. there were apparently 'gold plated'.....they look gold plated, but i wouldn't say they are quality.
  • 04-02-2005, 10:31 AM
    Geoffcin
    I got problems in spades X two!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vr6ofpain
    but more to the point, i have spades which would not work with those. (just for your info, the spades were really cheap, i picked up a pack for two speakers (8 spades) for $3.99 at an audio parts store. there were apparently 'gold plated'.....they look gold plated, but i wouldn't say they are quality.


    Magnepan in their infinite wisdom has one of the best, (or worse depending on how you see it terminal connectors). They are small set screws that close down on the bare wire. While probably fine if you dont mind stripping the connectors off your cables, the've forced many a maggie owner to purchase aftermarket spade terminals. I coun't my self one of the hoards that just can't bring themselves to strip off my spades.
  • 04-02-2005, 10:54 AM
    Geoffcin
    Hey, this is a first!
    A hijacking of a thread about A/N speakers, instead of the other way around!

    OK guys, here's your chance;

    Let's see some hyper-verbose posts with inane circular arguments that will suck the life out of this thread as fast as possible. Remember to make sure that you post has nothing to do with this thread at all. Preferbably it should be on audio technology that you are just so in love with that it give you goose bumps just to even mention it.
  • 04-02-2005, 01:02 PM
    Lord_Magnepan
    Well i am so freaking exited to get my Apogee Scintilla's soon. I mean come on, if you know audio those things are a freaking legend. And a 1ohm rating is just freaking brutal and surely seperates the man from the boys. Also the things plays 110db @ 4m perfectly flat at 20Hz....and i dont even have a box. So much for planars having no bass !!

    But besides me almost wetting my pants for exitment, i must say that the weather here is quite nice :p
  • 04-02-2005, 03:54 PM
    RGA
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by theaudiohobby
    re-read your post, we have never mentioned Avant Gardes, Apogee and Avant Garde sound and spell different don't they?

    No I said he buys many of the major competitors speakers which you implied he does not. He has the Apogee Scintilla as of my last discourse with him last summer -- so unless he sold them I don't see why it would change. I should think that selling his expensive lines some people would indeed want to hear it directly against the other pricey gear...so it's nice that he can let them hear it and compare -- the Scintilla was supposedly the best of the planar lot so it behooves Peter to know what he's up against first -- I would think most companies interested in myusic reproduction would be doing the same thing though so this isn't to say Peter is superior -- if I was going to build Printers I'd buy several of what the reviews say ios best and figure out what is good about them what is bad and then build my printer with all the good stuff and then fix up some of the weaknesses. Indeed, companies who don't do that I'd wonder about.
  • 04-02-2005, 03:57 PM
    RGA
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Lord_Magnepan
    Lol, if all AN owners are like that...then good night.

    What people who like properly reproduced music -- what kind of owner are you?
  • 04-02-2005, 04:15 PM
    RGA
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vr6ofpain
    Spring clips.....I think not! :)

    how much are these Snell's worth?

    Worth is in the eye of the beholder...they sold for under $200.00US. But the speaker is more than 23 years old and only retailed for $350.00US back then -- so all in all that isn't a horrible.

    One guy on a forum last year (2004) was ready to buy a used 1992 bottom of the line AN K for $600.00GBP --- that AN K model retailed in 1992 for $599.00GBP.

    Now this bottom K would be very similar to the original Snell...the difference i suspect is that Snell has largely lost popularity in huigh end circles and used prices can reflect whether or not a unit is popular. Audio Note because they keep tightening their models and raising prices inflates the alue of used Audio Note speakaers because people FORGET to look at what the specific model went for in the year it was sold.

    So the AN K/D which this forumer was inquiring about looks at new Audio Note K models and sees $1,950.00. $600.00 then looks like quite a deal (and the original owner gets 12 years out of speaker for the difference in the value of the dollar from 1992 to 2004 and makes out well) This applies to many things non AN related as well of course. Brystons excellent warranty is a way to keep used prices high, models with the same name but adding MKII or Version 2 or SE can work because people figure that the V1 and V2 are probably the same or really close.

    I had to go to an education conferance today to present a thesis and when I got home the bidding had ended for the Snell - the guy said he would have shipped it to me too -- oh well -- I would have doubled the highest bid because my dealer could easily make the upgrades on it. But the wiring and crossover does need to be replaced...still I think the K would be more suited to foam surrounds...but the Snell K driver is scarce.
  • 04-02-2005, 04:16 PM
    RGA
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Geoffcin
    A hijacking of a thread about A/N speakers, instead of the other way around!

    OK guys, here's your chance;

    Let's see some hyper-verbose posts with inane circular arguments that will suck the life out of this thread as fast as possible. Remember to make sure that you post has nothing to do with this thread at all. Preferbably it should be on audio technology that you are just so in love with that it give you goose bumps just to even mention it.

    I don;t mind -- technically it's a thread about Snell speakers -- and so AN is still a hijacking technically speaking.
  • 04-02-2005, 04:33 PM
    theaudiohobby
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RGA
    No I said he buys many of the major competitors speakers which you implied he does not

    An excerpt from a previous post
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by theaudiohobby
    Your comments about Peter Q owning 100s of competitors product seems hyperbolic, a few maybe but 100s..hmm, even less likely if as you say he recommends a whole system approach.

    It will be good idea to go and reread your old posts so that you do not misquote yourself ;), a photo of a single Avant Garde hardly translates into 100s of competitor's products, does it? I failed to notice the 100s of competitor's products in the photo :) ?
  • 04-03-2005, 01:21 PM
    Lord_Magnepan
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RGA
    What people who like properly reproduced music -- what kind of owner are you?

    Well what kind of owner am I? Never thought of that, but lets see. I am an owner who has some serious equipment along with speakers that are considered by more people than any other speaker to be ontop of whats possible in music reproduction.

    If your maestro has a Scintilla because they want to compare it to the best, well than you already know what kind of owner i am. Also my Scintilla's have new handmade precision crafted ribbons incl. new internal wiring, better feet and chassis. She is better than the originals in a lot of ways.

    Now i have heard you AN-K before on Bluecirlce and i told you that i was not impressed. I read good things about AN electronics, but have never heard them. you just have to accept the fact that we do not like your 135K wodden MDF box!!

    Do you really think that my 8K $ 3.6R/SE or 10K $ Scintilla sounds 16875 times worse than your AN-K..... they are freaking overprized like hell !!!

    I listen very critically, and i am only 21 yrs old. If i find something better than i am sure i will own it someday, but i have not heard a speaker that sounds like life anywhere exept for the Apogee and a perfectly setup 20.1..eventough the Apogee is still better..

    You know the reviews of the Scintilla, and you know exaclty what they are capable off. I am not saying that the AN speakers are bad, but man there are other products out there too.
  • 04-03-2005, 01:26 PM
    Lord_Magnepan
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by theaudiohobby
    An excerpt from a previous post


    It will be good idea to go and reread your old posts so that you do not misquote yourself ;), a photo of a single Avant Garde hardly translates into 100s of competitor's products, does it? I failed to notice the 100s of competitor's products in the photo :) ?

    Besides if you own 100's of competitors speakers, than you would need a huge storage room and literaly 100's of electronics combinations and cables. Because its damn unfair to compare your speaker to another one when using matched electronics to your system but not matching components on the competitiors system.

    I am sorry my friend, but AN seems like a freaking ripoff and a huge maerketing machine just like BOSE. Ok the sound better than BOSE and are surelly in the High END realm, but i still dont like what i read and heard so far.