Quote Originally Posted by theaudiohobby
Here we are discussing a line of speakers with comprehensive published measurements and specs against products such as the GMA, Audio Note and PMC that have no published measurements anywhere, none of them publish any detailed measurements on their sites or in their promotional brochures. If all these companies are so proud of their products accuracy as you guys suggest, why no published measurements or full specifications of their speakers. Neither PMC, GMA nor Audio Note provide any distortion, frequency response, dispersion specifications or measurements, so how did we arrive at comments critiquing the Genelec's published distortion, frequency response (both inferences were wrong by the way) and accuracy, on what basis, against which products.

Buzz Roll, the PMC AML1 costs USD5.2K, yet you referred to the Genelec at USD3.5K as overpriced, reading your old posts I think you know very little about both products. Now RGA you say that the PMC goes deeper, the AML1 (PMC's top nearfield monitor) is rated down to 33Hz with no dB deviation and no indication as to whether it is a freefield measurement or not, so how did you come to conclude that it goes deeper than the Genelec 8050?

I am all for critiqueing products, but please do so intelligently and credibly with the facts to back up your assertions.
Well that didn't stop you from raving all about the ELACs - I thought Ribbons were the best thing since sliced bread - ohh but it's been 3 months so now it's Genelec - lets wait to see what is best in May. Audiofile awarded the AN E 5 stars and produced measurementt and a graph that I have made in Excel so that one can actually see what is going on...and even then looking at the graph alone indicates some things not everything. Peter isn't going to use a set of measurements he doesn;t believe is wholly valid or descriptive in the first place. But the E measures +/-3db from 27hz to 20khz and is better than that 30 degrees off axis. The plus 3db was noted in Hi-fi choice in the vocal band and above the vocal band is I agree with Paul Messnger about as good as loudspeakers get" And the distortion measurements are stated by hi-fi choice.

PMC has been measured - look for them.

I am not wrong at all about the genelec - it has the measured response on the site. That is a big reason NOT to post measurements for your speakers IMO because you get people who will see the dips and valleys and or in this case spikes and won't actually give them a chance in an audition. (You imply they're better than everyhting else for the money - I see no reason to believe you since most of the speakers you like are IMO atrocious but you are just a review follower - if it gets good reviews and they company has a high falootin techno babble TAH loves it until next week when a new technobabble speaker comes out and now that's the greatest and ELAC is never mentioned again -- The brightness and long throw woofer must have finally annoyed you eh?)

The Reference 3a MM De Capo is a nice sounding speaker --- PATD has ruled out even listening based off the graph - and yet in a real actual room they sound very engaging. Which is not to say everyone is going to love them - but in the real world they sound very good.

There is more to a speaker than what Harman International claims to be a good speaker.