I hereby quit !!

[Florian]

Over the past years/month as a moderator and user I have seen many systems, some good, some very good, most bad and I find it harder and harder everyday to commit myself to moderate/write in an audio gallery/forum that is not about high-end but about hifi. Of course hifi should have a place in society, but i look for forums which were meant to be for people to share experiences so the ultimate in music reproduction could be obtained for all who are interested.

However, during the past couple of months, I have only helped out other people while I was anxiously waiting for some input of equal level, but I noticed a vast increase in entry level systems that should not be thrown around with High End systems. Since there is no ending in these kind of discussions (300$ bookshelv vs. 20K fullrange). I hereby resign as a moderator and member because i simply cant stand it anymore.

I know i was definetly not always neutral or nice, but a lot depends on each other and this is stressing me endlessly. Members that have nothing better to do than envy people with high price tag systems will bring this forum down. The GOAL should not be to find the biggest deal on the net! The GOAL should be to find the ultimate in music reproduction to ones best ability.

-Flo

PS: There are many nice people on this forum, and i am not generalising here!

[N. Abstentia]

High end systems are nice, but the people who own them only represent maybe 10% of the buying public..of which .01% of them come here.

You've got more money invested in just your turntable than lots of people have in their whole systems!

[bjornb17]

that sucks florian. I hope its not because of people like me who are still with their first sound system.

[Florian]

that sucks florian. I hope its not because of people like me who are still with their first sound system.

Ofcourse not, i started too. Its a fun time :-)

[Florian]

High end systems are nice, but the people who own them only represent maybe 10% of the buying public..of which .01% of them come here.

You've got more money invested in just your turntable than lots of people have in their whole systems!

And that is fine, i started with a Onkyo TX-DS555 and some Infinity RS3's. I have no issue with starter systems.

[cam]

Well, since you are quiting, get lost and don't come back you high end audio snob. Actually, sorry to hear about your situation. Sounds like you have had an inner emotional tug of war for sometime now. Do me just one favour before you go, dean martin has set up a main event topic in the steal cage and everybody has been antissapating a battle between you and rga. Just don't use any racial slurs or profanity and give us some good old brawlin entertainment.

[Florian]

Well, since you are quiting, get lost and don't come back you high end audio snob. Actually, sorry to hear about your situation. Sounds like you have had an inner emotional tug of war for sometime now. Do me just one favour before you go, dean martin has set up a main event topic in the steal cage and everybody has been antissapating a battle between you and rga. Just don't use any racial slurs or profanity and give us some good old brawlin entertainment.

High End Audio snob, i wouldnt have to be if people like you understood that a 300$ bookshelf speaker will never even scratch a Infinity Epsilon or Apogee. But no, people like you cant take comments from High End peopl, because you feel insulted and start arguments over money.

[cam]

High End Audio snob, i wouldnt have to be if people like you understood that a 300$ bookshelf speaker will never even scratch a Infinity Epsilon or Apogee. But no, people like you cant take comments from High End peopl, because you feel insulted and start arguments over money.

You must be getting me mixed up with someone else, because I would for go a $300 bookshelf or even a $1000 bookshelf for a $1000 floorstander any day of the week. I have heard some $300 bookshelf speakers that sound as good as they can for the money. But for me, whatever speaker line I may purchase in the future, It will definately be a floorstander. And also from the prices out there I doubt I would ever have to spend more then $1500. And that would be high end for me.

[PAT.P]

Florian Im sorry you fill this way.Some of us have family ,kids ,mortgage and cant afford a system like you .We use this forum for input and advice .I loved your picks and your system .In future I would like to own some high end gear like yours .I really love this site and if because you fill $$$$ vs the people is a priority thats your choice.Pat.P

[Peter Duminy]

Sorry to see you leave feeling this way. Not an easy job at the best of times either I would think.

[Florian]

Sorry to see you leave feeling this way. Not an easy job at the best of times either I would think.

It is not an job at all, and people like PeterK, Itch etc... dont make it easier.

[Peter_Klim]

It is not an job at all, and people like PeterK, Itch etc... dont make it easier.

What did I do??

[Florian]

Florian Im sorry you fill this way.Some of us have family ,kids ,mortgage and cant afford a system like you .We use this forum for input and advice .I loved your picks and your system .In future I would like to own some high end gear like yours .I really love this site and if because you fill $$$$ vs the people is a priority thats your choice.Pat.P

I dont put $$$$ vs. people. But the people will little money dont accept any tips from the people who have the cash to test out the systems for them. I had over 9 Receivers and can tell ya all about them, but people just dont listen....

[PAT.P]

I dont put $$$$ vs. people. But the people will little money dont accept any tips from the people who have the cash to test out the systems for them. I had over 9 Receivers and can tell ya all about them, but people just dont listen....

Florian Some of the people here are just starting out work ,family,homeownership ect,ect.Im self -employed and my wife just got unemployed.We lost lots of money in the stock market 4 year ago when the market crash.We bought what we could afford in the housing market and her friends were buying brand new custom built house in the $500 thousand + .We still own our house and they lost everything.If somebody as a budget they should stick to it.You really think I could'nt buy nice equipment it was'nt my priority at the time. Your starting to make it sound your the Lord and we the peasant.Pat.P

[Florian]

Dear Pat,

as i have stated many times, it is not about the money. Small systems can be a lot of fun too but they have to be implemented right just with all systems. I am 22 yrs old and have worked for my hobby very hard since i was 15. I use to cut grass in 104F for my math teacher for my first NEC SW300 subwoofer. I know the value of money ! The thing i sometimes have a problem with is that people shudder at High End systems and dont try to learn from people who own these because its unrealistic for them. I have received a few bad comments which are clearly a issue about envy.

-Flo

[shokhead]

Dear Pat,

as i have stated many times, it is not about the money. Small systems can be a lot of fun too but they have to be implemented right just with all systems. I am 22 yrs old and have worked for my hobby very hard since i was 15. I use to cut grass in 104F for my math teacher for my first NEC SW300 subwoofer. I know the value of money ! The thing i sometimes have a problem with is that people shudder at High End systems and dont try to learn from people who own these because its unrealistic for them. I have received a few bad comments which are clearly a issue about envy.

-Flo

Gee,i was getting ready to tell say you kinda sound like an a$$ but now that i see your 22,that explains everything. I was cutting a 1/4 acre at 12,so. Hi end,mid priced or low end. They all do the same. Plug them end and enjoy. They all need to be tweeked,played with and upgraded. Some put wifes,kids and food and rent before this stuff. 22 will have a different order. I almost remember 22.

[PAT.P]

Dear Pat,

as i have stated many times, it is not about the money. Small systems can be a lot of fun too but they have to be implemented right just with all systems. I am 22 yrs old and have worked for my hobby very hard since i was 15. I use to cut grass in 104F for my math teacher for my first NEC SW300 subwoofer. I know the value of money ! The thing i sometimes have a problem with is that people shudder at High End systems and dont try to learn from people who own these because its unrealistic for them. I have received a few bad comments which are clearly a issue about envy.

-Flo

Flo I started working by the age 10 (paper route)bought my first car at 16 was a teenage dad ,a grandfather at 39. This site realy thought me alot and still learning.I do compare speakers at different shop.The ones I pick are the ones that got my attention to my ears.I wook at churches and I do listen to alot of different music here .There a 2500 pipes organ ,String concert,Opera ect. My ears are very fine to music ,was tested with a meter that is use in dog obedience that only the dog could respond too(had a headache for two days).I was very choosy and pick what felt was the best to my ears.I never audition amp or receiver .The info I received here on receiver made me buy a Yamaha to replace a Sony.I enjoy HT for music and movies and I know I will probably add more at a later time .My wife just paid off my credit card and car loan so I need to tighten my belt for know.Pat.P

[cam]

Dear Pat,

as i have stated many times, it is not about the money. Small systems can be a lot of fun too but they have to be implemented right just with all systems. I am 22 yrs old and have worked for my hobby very hard since i was 15. I use to cut grass in 104F for my math teacher for my first NEC SW300 subwoofer. I know the value of money ! The thing i sometimes have a problem with is that people shudder at High End systems and dont try to learn from people who own these because its unrealistic for them. I have received a few bad comments which are clearly a issue about envy.

-Flo

Now I understand. 22 years old. Oh ya, I remember those days, 12 years ago. You are dealing with people on this forum who are past those free wheeling days where feeding kids, paying the mortgage, and putting a good meal on the table are more important. When I was 22 I was more concerned with stuffing my car with bigger and better subs. I know exactley where your 22 year old mind is coming from. There will come a day, it happens to all of us whether you think it will or not, pose a question, what is the best for the least. At your immature age of 22, and I am not in no way slagging you, because I was an immature puke at 22 so I know, not that I am calling you a puke, but there will be a day where there will be a bigger importance to you then your home audio system. At 22 you will be saying, bull$hit. But when you are 32, things will be different. Unless you are an ugly bastard and not at all into women, you will be more concerned with paying the mortgage and what is the best bookshelf speaker I can get for $300. This forum is 95% ,what can I get on a small budget. If you do not want to help these people, then you don't belong here. But then again, as a moderator, you just have to keep the peace, giving your knowledge is optional. After saying what I have said, I would be a bad contributor to these forums when I was 22 because I would be totally frustrated with people who would say, what is the best and cheapest 8 inch sub for my car. Give me a break, for any car, 2 10 inch subs should be the minimum, but now I am 34, my answer would be different. I personally think that AR should screen the future moderators and make sure that the minimum age is 30. A moderator at 22 has a very narrow point of view. IMHO!

[T BOMB25]

Now Florian i have only been on here a couple of days i only have question for you now i know you have a system that costs at least 50,000us are you the kind of guy who wouldnt consider a great system that costs 5000us as high end even it out performs a system that costs 20,000us system please answer this you like you are very knowlegeble i would like to know this before you quit because if you think like that than you are a snob not an audiophile but moneyphile so can you give me and answer?

[jasmit]

I can't say that I blame you. If you're not having fun, what's the point? By the way, having been twice a resident of Bavaria and a visitor many times since, I must say it is one of my favorite places on the planet. Viel Gluck und Auf Wiedersehen.

[Florian]

I can't say that I blame you. If you're not having fun, what's the point? By the way, having been twice a resident of Bavaria and a visitor many times since, I must say it is one of my favorite places on the planet. Viel Gluck und Auf Wiedersehen.

Right you are. And if your ever close, just stop by and will have some good beers and music.

[GMichael]

I have only been on this forum for a couple of months, but your advice has helped durring that time. I've notivced that you haven't been posting as much lately. When I saw your post yesterday with pictures of your new set up I thought that maybe you had just been busy. But I guess you just don't enjoy some of the conversations you have been in here.

I can see why you would want to find another forum, one that only or mostly has people like yourself with very hi end systems so that you can receive advice from someone instead of always giving it. In many cases, I see that advice here is met with sarcasm and critisism.

But I hope that you will miss us and throw in a few words of wisdom from time to time. Maybe all you need is a break.

Remember, there will always be people who can't take advice. Even when they ask for it. That's everywhere. I've done it myself.

Take care, good luck, and don't forget to visit.

Michael

[dave123456@mail.com]

Im 20 also, and have been into audio since i was 17 ( registed with AudioAsylum on December 5, 2002). It all started with some Kimber speaker wire, and later on $249.00 PSB Image 2b speakers. Since then its been a fun and educational experiance , and has become one of my favorite hobbies. My ear has also been trained pretty well- I now pay more attention to how everything sounds, from my car stereo to the tv in my living room to how people sound in different houses. Id say the biggest drawback to starting so young is budget and space issues. My room is currently a small 10x10 bedroom, which shares a rather large bed, a dresser and of course me. My funds, well lets just say im having some rough times. Sometimes I wonder if I should just wait till I move into a larger space,and untill I have my financial situation straightened out. On second thought nah, my system is still enjoyable and will only get better. Anyways, im glad to see there are others around the same age as me.

[Geoffcin]

When I was twenty two my major concern was partying and *****. I always had a decent sounding rig, but that was mostly to make noise, or cover it up! This changes as soon as house/wife/kids enter the picture so enjoy it while you can!

[jrhymeammo]

Hey, whatta Hell is going on here. All I said was that I like puppies. I like kittens too, but I prefer to eat ice cream.

You have a perception problem.