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    Rock & Roll Immortals

    Rolling Stone released it's list of the top 50 Rock & Roll Immortals - as with any list (especially a Rolling Stone list) it has some questionable picks and, I think, way to many "conservative/safe" picks. Some of the missing:
    Kinks (these guys really don't get the love, huh?)
    Talking Heads
    Husker Du (Hey, if you're gonna include Nirvana...)
    Pixies
    The Jam
    Stone Roses
    Smiths

    They did include Public Enemy, which I think is proper...but then you open up the door for a bunch of hip hop/rap artists...

    Who in your opinions should have been included and who doesn't deserve to be included?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gresh
    Rolling Stone released it's list of the top 50 Rock & Roll Immortals - as with any list (especially a Rolling Stone list) it has some questionable picks and, I think, way to many "conservative/safe" picks. Some of the missing:
    Kinks (these guys really don't get the love, huh?)
    Talking Heads
    Husker Du (Hey, if you're gonna include Nirvana...)
    Pixies
    The Jam
    Stone Roses
    Smiths

    They did include Public Enemy, which I think is proper...but then you open up the door for a bunch of hip hop/rap artists...

    Who in your opinions should have been included and who doesn't deserve to be included?
    Don't know since I don't read the RS. Is the list online?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Clark
    Don't know since I don't read the RS. Is the list online?

    jc
    It's online at Rolling Stone.com web site.

    I linked to it originally from USA TODAY web site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Clark
    Don't know since I don't read the RS. Is the list online?

    jc
    Here's the list:

    1) The Beatles
    2) Bob Dylan
    3) Elvis Presley
    4) The Rolling Stones
    5) Chuck Berry
    6) Jimi Hendrix
    7) James Brown
    8) Little Richard
    9) Aretha Franklin
    10) Ray Charles
    11) Bob Marley
    12) The Beach Boys
    13) Buddy Holly
    14) Led Zeppelin
    15) Stevie Wonder
    16) Sam Cooke
    17) Muddy Watters
    18) Marvin Gaye
    19) The Velvet Underground
    20) Bo Diddley
    21) Otis Redding
    22) U2
    23) Bruce Springsteen
    24) Jerry Lee Lewis
    25) Fats Domino
    26) The Ramones
    27) Nirvana
    28) Prince
    29) The Who
    30) The Clash
    31) Johnny Cash
    32) Smokey Robinson and the Miracles
    33) The Everly Brothers
    34) Neil Young
    35) Michael Jackson
    36) Madonna
    37) Roy Orbison
    38) John Lennon
    39) David Bowie
    40) Simon and Garfunkel
    41) The Doors
    42) Van Morrison
    43) Sly and the Family Stone
    44) Public Enemy
    45) The Byrds
    46) Janis Joplin
    47) Patti Smith
    48) Run-DMC
    49) Elton John
    50) The Band

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    What!!!!! No Kansas? Rush?? Yes??? Chicago???? Tull?????

    These bands have been around for 30 plus years.

    Preposterous.

    I don't like lists.

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    Since Y*** isn't here to say this, I will,

    Kansas and immortal should never, ever, appear in the same sentence. Except in the preceeding sentence saying they should never appear in the same sentence. Couple of decent albums, but Immortal? Come on.

    Agree that Yes s/b in there, drop Run DMC
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    After a quick scan the biggest surprise for me....No Pink Floyd?!?!! (Not that that's a bad thing necessarily, just surprising.)

    Disappointments....Elvis Costello ought to be there, notice he did the write up on The Beatles though...Leaving The Kinks off is unforgiveable.....And Joy Division deserves a place, but I'm used to that period and type of music being ignored....Eno?????Phil Spector?????

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    Typically safe and boring list. About the only band I noticed that wasn't finished with their best stuff in the 80s or before was Nirvana. Probably one of the most surprising ones to me was no Sex Pistols. Rolling Stone used to always toss them in on all these lists. Pretty typical Rolling Stone list. They've been pimping these same artists for decades now.

    I think most of the folks here could probably guess what they'd use for at least 35-40 of a top fifty anything list they're gonna print.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dld
    Since Y*** isn't here to say this, I will,

    Kansas and immortal should never, ever, appear in the same sentence. Except in the preceeding sentence saying they should never appear in the same sentence. Couple of decent albums, but Immortal? Come on.

    Agree that Yes s/b in there, drop Run DMC
    The inclusion of Kansas was meant as a joke. I forgot the smilie. I knew that would eventually rub someone the wrong way. I dig 'em though.

    The rest I feel pretty strong about.

    But that's just me.
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    Red face Again it depends on your definition of "Rock & Roll"

    And that's like a**holes and opinions... everyone's is different. If you're looking at the term RnR "holistically"... ie the popular music that displaced swing and Jazz in the 1950's (my working definition please do not shoot at me) then this list makes sense... If you want to restrict your defininition to exclude other sub-genres, soul, RnB, Reggae and country, then this list is flawed and should be revised. It all depends upon your definition.

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    Alright DH, now that you've come clean, your reputation isn't tarnished, like Geezers soon will be (as he comes to Kansas's defense). I also think Floyd not being on it is way, wayyyy out of line. Overall, I don't buy the boring list syndrome. Thought it was a pretty good list. Maybe 5-10 insertions/deletions I would make, but thats me (as well)
    Do I have to spell it out?

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    Thanks for posting the list for me JimN, I'm fairly time challenged today.

    I thought this was a list for Rock and Roll immortals? Since when do the Blues = Rock and Roll? Lots of R&B on there too. Less of a stretch but still a stretch as far as to what I was expecting.

    Little Richard at #8? U2 @ 22 and no REM? Now I remember why I don't read the Rolling Stone.

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    How about Richie Valens except for his tragically short career? There is a nice 2 paragraph summary of the origins of rockn roll on the first page of liner notes of the Richie Valens Story box set. Which credits Richie Valen's hero LIttle Richard but doesn't mention Sam Phillips or Sun Sessions unfortunately.

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    I have to agree with you on this one Worf-man.

    Quote Originally Posted by Worf101
    And that's like a**holes and opinions... everyone's is different. If you're looking at the term RnR "holistically"... ie the popular music that displaced swing and Jazz in the 1950's (my working definition please do not shoot at me) then this list makes sense... If you want to restrict your defininition to exclude other sub-genres, soul, RnB, Reggae and country, then this list is flawed and should be revised. It all depends upon your definition.

    Da Worfster
    I would never define the music of Simon and Garfunkle as "rock and roll", although if you're gonna include Madonna (give me a break!), Bob Marley, Run DMC, and Muddy Waters, then why not? The list is flawed by it's very definition and many of the artists would never be thought of as rockers.

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    re

    There was a similar list I read recently that listed the top-100 British albums of all time... it may have been Q magazine... I ferget... but they didn't have a single Who or Kinks album.... a joke.

    At least I can't argue much with Rolling Stone's top-10 there. But leaving out the Kinks is krimminal, even if they are my fave band of all time.

    RS's started going bad... over 30 years ago. Not much has changed since.
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    How about bands that live on in our memories? That's a kind of immortality:

    Kraftwerk
    Led Zeppelin
    My Bloody Valentine
    Pink Floyd
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gresh
    Rolling Stone released it's list of the top 50 Rock & Roll Immortals - as with any list (especially a Rolling Stone list) it has some questionable picks and, I think, way to many "conservative/safe" picks. Some of the missing:

    Kinks (these guys really don't get the love, huh?)
    Talking Heads
    Pixies
    The Pixies; sure you gotta include these guys; a cult influence in the late '80s whose music sounds as fresh and relavent today as it did then.

    The Talking Heads; WTF! this same rag did a list of top 100 rock albums of all time during their 20th Anniversary year and the Heads were all over the the top 20. Rolling Stone magazine is for taste mongors and sheople.

    The Kinks; so...your doing a list of Rock-n-Roll immortals and you leave off The Kinks...hhmmm...this smacks of a desperate attempt at controversy, cuz no one is stupid enough to do so, accept maybe Rolling Stone magazine. I'd write them a letter, but that's just what they'd want me to do. Screw 'em.

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    and what's the deal with Johnny Cash and rock-n-roll

    I mean c'mon, he was no more rock-n-roll than Black Sabbath was country. Am I a jerk because I refuse to canonize the guy? Sure, he has his place in music, but a rock-n-roll immortal? Conway Twitty has more right to be counted amongst rock-n-roll artists than Cash does (I'm serious). Twitty actually had a rock-n-roll hit with the song 'Make Believe'. Hell, George Jones has just as long a history of substance abuse, just as long a history at being a maverick, same with Waylon Jennings. And where the hell is Jennings on this list, being that he was touring with Buddy Holly when he died and is more directly connected with rock-n-roll folklore? What's next...Willie Nelson Unplugged? I don't begrudge Johnny Cash any of the notoriety he recieved in his last years, but I think it just because it was fashionable, like it was for Tony Bennet a few years ago.

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