The world is too ugly and cruel

[Hyfi]

This is sad anywhere. It is such a shame that this happens anywhere but here in the states I blame it on our Religiously run Government that continues to dis-allow equality and tolerance of lifestyles, not always a choice but just the way people are born and wired, that the Book says is bad.

F the book, it's thousands of years old and totally irrelevant in today's world. I am so sick of every election being based on whether the candidate is for or against abortion, which is directly tied to religious beliefs.

I guess what I am ranting about is that if people were taught at a young age to be more accepting and tolerant of others, no matter what, we would not have this kind of behavior. But, in order for that to happen, the adults have to start behaving that way and the politicians, and the freakin outdated churches.

[RGA]

not always a choice

It's a biological 100% FACT that it is not a choice.

It's not a choice - but try and tell the fanatics this. Because gee if it IS Biology which it IS, then that means homosexuals were BORN that way and if they were BORN that way in God's image then God might just be a homosexual drag queen. I would soooo love it if he was. The looks on the nutters faces at the Pearly Gates (which might explain why they're pearly) would be so awesome.

In certain ways the gay brain could be argued to be evolutionarily superior to the heterosexual brain (and has been argued by some) and while that is a bit of a leap it has some credibility.

Regardless Homosexuality is NOT a choice - they were born that way - and that's a problem for religion because that means God made them that way on purpose. So they can't handle it - they'd have to re-adjust yet another stupid belief system that fills every page of the Bible.


"A UK scientist said this was evidence sexual orientation was set in the womb.

Scientists have noticed for some time that homosexual people of both sexes have differences in certain cognitive abilities, suggesting there may be subtle differences in their brain structure.

This is the first time, however, that scientists have used brain scanners to try to look for the source of those differences.

A group of 90 healthy gay and heterosexual adults, men and women, were scanned by the Karolinska Institute scientists to measure the volume of both sides, or hemispheres, of their brain.

When these results were collected, it was found that lesbians and heterosexual men shared a particular "asymmetry" in their hemisphere size, while heterosexual women and gay men had no difference between the size of the different halves of their brain.

In other words, structurally, at least, the brains of gay men were more like heterosexual women, and gay women more like heterosexual men.

A further experiment found that in one particular area of the brain, the amygdala, there were other significant differences.

In heterosexual men and gay women, there were more nerve "connections" in the right side of the amygdala, compared with the left.

The reverse, with more neural connections in the left amygdala, was the case in homosexual men and heterosexual women.

The Karolinska team said that these differences could not be mainly explained by "learned" effects, but needed another mechanism to set them, either before or after birth.

'Fight, flight or mate'

Dr Qazi Rahman, a lecturer in cognitive biology at Queen Mary, University of London, said that he believed that these brain differences were laid down early in foetal development.

"As far as I'm concerned there is no argument any more - if you are gay, you are born gay," he said.

The amygdala, he said, was important because of its role in "orientating", or directing, the rest of the brain in response to an emotional stimulus - be it during the "fight or flight" response, or the presence of a potential mate.

"In other words, the brain network which determines what sexual orientation actually 'orients' towards is similar between gay men and straight women, and between gay women and straight men.

"This makes sense given that gay men have a sexual preference which is like that of women in general, that is, preferring men, and vice versa for lesbian women."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm
http://playthink.wordpress.com/2008/...the-gay-brain/
http://www.pnas.org/content/102/20/7...urcetype=HWCIT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm

The fact that this is even a debate any more is yet another reason that religion holds the entire human race back in a moral and ethical stone age.

[Hyfi]

It's a biological 100% FACT that it is not a choice.

It's not a choice - but try and tell the fanatics this. Because gee if it IS Biology which it IS, then that means homosexuals were BORN that way and if they were BORN that way in God's image then God might just be a homosexual drag queen. I would soooo love it if he was. The looks on the nutters faces at the Pearly Gates (which might explain why they're pearly) would be so awesome.

In certain ways the gay brain could be argued to be evolutionarily superior to the heterosexual brain (and has been argued by some) and while that is a bit of a leap it has some credibility.

Regardless Homosexuality is NOT a choice - they were born that way - and that's a problem for religion because that means God made them that way on purpose. So they can't handle it - they'd have to re-adjust yet another stupid belief system that fills every page of the Bible.


"A UK scientist said this was evidence sexual orientation was set in the womb.

Scientists have noticed for some time that homosexual people of both sexes have differences in certain cognitive abilities, suggesting there may be subtle differences in their brain structure.

This is the first time, however, that scientists have used brain scanners to try to look for the source of those differences.

A group of 90 healthy gay and heterosexual adults, men and women, were scanned by the Karolinska Institute scientists to measure the volume of both sides, or hemispheres, of their brain.

When these results were collected, it was found that lesbians and heterosexual men shared a particular "asymmetry" in their hemisphere size, while heterosexual women and gay men had no difference between the size of the different halves of their brain.

In other words, structurally, at least, the brains of gay men were more like heterosexual women, and gay women more like heterosexual men.

A further experiment found that in one particular area of the brain, the amygdala, there were other significant differences.

In heterosexual men and gay women, there were more nerve "connections" in the right side of the amygdala, compared with the left.

The reverse, with more neural connections in the left amygdala, was the case in homosexual men and heterosexual women.

The Karolinska team said that these differences could not be mainly explained by "learned" effects, but needed another mechanism to set them, either before or after birth.

'Fight, flight or mate'

Dr Qazi Rahman, a lecturer in cognitive biology at Queen Mary, University of London, said that he believed that these brain differences were laid down early in foetal development.

"As far as I'm concerned there is no argument any more - if you are gay, you are born gay," he said.

The amygdala, he said, was important because of its role in "orientating", or directing, the rest of the brain in response to an emotional stimulus - be it during the "fight or flight" response, or the presence of a potential mate.

"In other words, the brain network which determines what sexual orientation actually 'orients' towards is similar between gay men and straight women, and between gay women and straight men.

"This makes sense given that gay men have a sexual preference which is like that of women in general, that is, preferring men, and vice versa for lesbian women."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm
http://playthink.wordpress.com/2008/...the-gay-brain/
http://www.pnas.org/content/102/20/7...urcetype=HWCIT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm

The fact that this is even a debate any more is yet another reason that religion holds the entire human race back in a moral and ethical stone age.

Have not looked at this thread for a few days but just read this response.

Just this morning NPR News had a clip of some fanatical Black pastor/minister-whatever that was preaching about how bad being gay is and that you deserve to die if your gay and that if you believe yourself to be gay you are calling God a liar because he did not create gay people, only heteros.

The whole pc was about the fact that largely or all black congregations routinely preach and demoralize gays, and have a don't ask-don't tell policy from it's members so if one is gay and at that church, they have to listen to their own leader trash talk them.

The Book is NOT meant to be read or taken literally. It is all messages and correspondences and open for multiple interpretations.

I have really had it with fanatical religion. In this case, the fanatical Christians are no better than the fanatical Muslims. The Christians terrorize people going to clinics, they even bomb the places and kill the doctors. How the heck does that make any sense of what is supposedly taught in the Book?