Some feedback and opinions

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Asked my man for it? Another innuendo?

Nope, a direct comment.

You know with all the sexist comments and the focus on people's asses, I'm really starting to think you have some gender issues yourself.

You are all ass, how can I help but to call you what you are? Look in the mirror boy in a dress, the experience will be very telling on who has gender issues.

Been spending a bit too much time "recording" in your closet? Me transparent? Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black. You're coming undone in a very personal way, and it's really not pretty. You've got issues, real big issues, I'd quit this post if I were you before you really loose control...

You are but a boy in a dress. Go play with barbie or your easy bake oven. You are much better at that than despensing tired old comments, assumptions and conclusions. You didn't touch a nerve, you can't. I do not care a rats ass about you. Now, take your panty wasted ass back to your man, he has needs I am sure. I do not need you, my ex does not need you, and this board doesn't need you either.

You do not know me well enough to gage what my emotions are.

And the fact that you posted your very personal business here, makes it everybody's business. If you didn't want my opinions, Nod's opinions, Kex' opinions, Mr. Peabody's opinions, or the opinions of anyone else you don't agree with, then maybe you should be posting this on a counselling website and not here. For the last time, lil'terry: grow up already.

Everyone elses opinion was welcome. Yours is not. So **** off.I do not need advice or comments from a phony, so let the door hit you nightLIAR.

[ForeverAutumn]

You are but a boy in a dress. Go play with barbie or your easy bake oven.

You say that like there's something wrong with it.

You know, Sir T, I never expect anyone to stay in a relationship that they can't be happy in. You kicked your girlfriend to the curb and if you're a happier man for it then power to you.

There's obviously some history between you and some of the other members of the board that I'm not aware of and I'm not going to get involved in. But I thought that Nightflier's original comments were valid and were friendly advice. Having been with my husband for 18 years I agree with him. You took offense to those comments for whatever reason...okay, fine.

BUT, I am offended by your attack. Your constant comparisons of men to women in such a derogatory manner is offensive. Being sensitive is not a weakness. Being understanding is not a weakness. Nor is wearing a dress.

I would rather spend my life with a man who gives me independance and freedom of expression and will love me for who I am instead of what I look like, than a man who thinks that I should stick around because he pays to get my car fixed or turns the stereo down for me. I am not discounting the consideration that you have shown this woman or the sacrifices that you may feel that you've made for her. I would expect nothing less than consideration and sacrifice from both parties in any relationship.

You made a comment that the tattoos can't give her what you can. Well, I can't say for sure because I don't know either of you, but speaking from a woman's point of view, you may not be giving her all that you think you are. The sad thing is, because you refuse to discuss it with her, you'll never know.

Please don't read this as a personal attack. It is not intended to be. But in the latter half of this thread I am seeing a side to you that I have not seen before. I don't doubt that you are a good person. And I don't doubt that you love your family and even your ex-girlfriend. But we seldom see ourselves as others see us and it might be to your benefit to spend some time thinking about some of the comments made here and internalizing your current situation rather than lay blame on a few tattoos or go on a defensive attack when you are disagreed with (except for Peabody, I'll agree that he started it). This is the internet and we can only learn as much about each other as we allow others to see. But what I'm seeing at the moment isn't pretty. I'm sorry to say.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

You say that like there's something wrong with it.

Not if your a girl. But a boy...

You know, Sir T, I never expect anyone to stay in a relationship that they can't be happy in. You kicked your girlfriend to the curb and if you're a happier man for it then power to you.

I do not know if this is a happy or sad thing. What I do know is that if I cannot keep my word on this, she will never respect a thing that comes out of my mouth. As I have said before, I do not have a long laundry lists of do's and don't, just this one thing. I never told her she could not have anything, I just told her that tat's is a non starter, and I would NEVER date a person with colorful scars on their body. I simply said that tat's are a deal breaker. The fact that she went out and got the deal breaker is her issue to deal with, but I am not going to sit around feeling sorry for myself because she did what she did. Its her decision, and that decision came with consequences like all decisions do.

There's obviously some history between you and some of the other members of the board that I'm not aware of and I'm not going to get involved in. But I thought that Nightflier's original comments were valid and were friendly advice. Having been with my husband for 18 years I agree with him. You took offense to those comments for whatever reason...okay, fine.

First, you do not know our history, and its not pretty. Secondly how can you possibly deliver a friendly comment to somebody you cannot stand? Thirdly he has said all of this crap before in another debate, its rehash from another arguement, and he wants another chance to get a dig. But let's examine what he said.

A. He mentions control as an issue. How do you determine control as being an issue when you have never met either of us, or seen us interact. Even a marriage counselor cannot make that determination with what I posted, and certainly not without speaking to both her and I. Wouldn't you agree?

B. He mentions rigidity. How does anyone even bring that up when I had already stated that I have no other pet peeves but this one. Now if I had a laundry list of peeves, do's and don't does, he has a point. But ONE PET PEEVE makes me rigid? That is rediculous and ludicrous.

C. He makes a claim that I was stifling her, without even hearing what she has to say? Come on FA, you know that is bullcrap.

I am surprised you found anything valid, helpful, or even constructive from that. He is trying to be a online shrink, a shrink with not enough information to come to these kinds of conclusions.

BUT, I am offended by your attack. Your constant comparisons of men to women in such a derogatory manner is offensive. Being sensitive is not a weakness. Being understanding is not a weakness. Nor is wearing a dress.

FA, when I point my comment gun, and shoot directly at the boy in dress, don't fall dead from the bullet. The message was not mean't for you, did not describe you or anything you do. A man being sensitive or understanding is not a weakness. A boy wearing a dress is.....just a little strange.

I listen to women talk about men in a negative way all day long. Women have their habits and ways of thinking (venus), and men have their way as well(mars). While my perceptions are not universal, or apply to every woman, the boy in dress does embody some of the worst things I find in women. The constant nagging and crying, the passive aggressive tendencies, and the occasional trip into non reality as just a few of his strong suits(that being the boy in dress) However, if you were offended, I am sorry, but the message was mean't for the boy in dress, not you.

I would rather spend my life with a man who gives me independance and freedom of expression and will love me for who I am instead of what I look like, than a man who thinks that I should stick around because he pays to get my car fixed or turns the stereo down for me. I am not discounting the consideration that you have shown this woman or the sacrifices that you may feel that you've made for her. I would expect nothing less than consideration and sacrifice from both parties in any relationship.

My question would be would you want the man in your life doing things you find offensive? Would you allow him to pee on the toilet seat and not wipe it off? Would you let him fart around you? Loving a person for who they are does not give them liscense to do the very thing that you find offensive and ugly by the way. Your last statement is word. Just like I have turned down my hometheater at her request, put down the toilet seat when I am finished as she has asked, clean up quickly after myself(she does not like dishes in the sink overnight) IN MY OWN HOUSE to accomodate her, and given her everything she has asked for, then she could have easily forgone that tatoo. That is what I call a mutual accomodation. Relationships are a give and take. No one party can have everything going their way. She has her 50 pet peeves(that I have accomodated) and all I had was one(of which she violated). Now really, who has the control issues?

I would rather spend my life with a woman who would honor my request as I have honored hers. Its called give and take, and no relationship is free of it.

You made a comment that the tattoos can't give her what you can. Well, I can't say for sure because I don't know either of you, but speaking from a woman's point of view, you may not be giving her all that you think you are. The sad thing is, because you refuse to discuss it with her, you'll never know.

FA, if she was not getting all from me that she wanted, she could walk away. We are not married, that is the reality. Nobody is forcing her to stay if her needs were not met, she has the freedom to find whomever does meet her needs at any time. There is no contract, no marriage liscense, no nothing to bind or force her to stay. She has never complained about not getting her needs met, and since we are both communicators, if she wasn't, I sure in the hell would have heard about it( I have heard everything else!). When she does not like something, I hear about it, in both spanish and english, and occasionally at THX reference levels. She is not the bottled up type, that is for sure.

Please don't read this as a personal attack. It is not intended to be. But in the latter half of this thread I am seeing a side to you that I have not seen before. I don't doubt that you are a good person. And I don't doubt that you love your family and even your ex-girlfriend. But we seldom see ourselves as others see us and it might be to your benefit to spend some time thinking about some of the comments made here and internalizing your current situation rather than lay blame on a few tattoos or go on a defensive attack when you are disagreed with (except for Peabody, I'll agree that he started it). This is the internet and we can only learn as much about each other as we allow others to see. But what I'm seeing at the moment isn't pretty. I'm sorry to say.

FA, the same could be said for you when you and Rich get into it right? In your exchanges with him, I have seen a side of you I have never seen as well. Sometimes it doesn't look so pretty to me as well. Do you really think I believe that is all you are as a person, or do you think I have enough intelligence to realize that you and he just do not agree on some subjects, and some of his comments can piss you off? Do you think that because your exchanges with him have been pretty testy that I think you are a bad person? No. Do you really think I can draw any conclusion about what kind of person you are based on your postings here? Hell no, you don't live on this website, and all of the faucets of your personality cannot possibly emerge right here in your words. We need to keep this in perspective. There is 20 or so hours in a day that I am not here(and some days not here at all). I do not interact PERSONALLY with anyone here, so there is no way they are going to know the depth and breathe of who I am, and I would not know the same about you. Shoot, for all we know there could be a rapist amoung us, and we wouldn't even know it right?

You are right, I do not see myself as other folks see me, I see myself alot WORSE than others seemed to see me.

I am sorry you see me as internalizing this situation. There is alot you don't see, that is for sure. There is no need to think about why I do not like tat's, I already know why because I believe in forthought on steadfast issues. I do not like them because they are ugly to me. I do not like them because I think they make people look like trailer trash(thats just my opinion, and we are all entitled to have them). I do not like them because I do not know of anyone that has gotten just one, and stopped there. They end up looking like a canvas to me. She knows this, because I have told her this, and not in a passing comment type of way either. So there is nothing to really think about here, that work has already been done. The communcation has already been made. The person who needs to sit down and give this some thought, is the person that felt that they could so brashly offend me with this profound lack of respect. Its really not about the tatoo, its about respecting somebody's wishes, give and take if you will. If she wanted that tatoo that bad(and she has never made any indication she did), she could have kicked me to the curb, and went and got her tatoo. But do not come to me telling me you have this great surprised for ME, and it turns out to be the very thing I find very ugly and unattractive, and you knew it!

As far as the comments I have presented here, I am sorry I offended you, but I am not going to take them back, because the boy in dress had it coming. We have had 10 pages of debate on one issue, and another several more on another issue where he constantly called me controlling because I made him stay on topic, and not drift all over the place. He said I was rigid because I rely on facts and figures, not my gut, or what I think. This is rehash, and old. And if we debate another issue, he is going to say the same things. He has done this twice already, so its old and tiring. He was angry because I had the benefit of information that he did not have, and he turned out to be wrong on every account. When I talk about the debate subject matter, he makes it a personal analysis on my character, or turns it into a personal evaluation. We have been here before, one time too many actually. So before you turn his intentions into one of those halo over the head moments, you probably need that bit of information to perhaps bring a little balance to your comments. The little boy in dress did not have enough maturity to keep his emotions and negative comments within those past debates. He bought the same ill feelings of getting his butt kicked in past debates to this thread, which was VERY easy for me to see, because he has used the same negative comments whenever we debated. Its like a double sided tape being played in the continous mode.

I am sure you do not want your kitchen or living room to be a trash can at the hands of your husband, just like I do not want the person I am dating to be a trashy billboard in the name of personal expression. I am sure some people love and cherish their tatoo's, I am just not one of them. However, it is her body, and she can do anything(and I mean ANYTHING) she wants to it, but I am not obligated to like it one bit, and should be able to respond as I see fit without being judged as some cruel ogre. I am unsure as to why some women seem to think that their men are a personal trash cans that have to take whatever they throw in it. I am not the trash can type, and I am sure you are not either.

So for the record, we have talked about this, we did it this afternoon because her mom asked me to. She did not get the tatoos because of rebellion, a stifling boyfriend, or because she is controlled. She got the tatoo's because her SINGLE friends convinced her that no matter what I have said in the past, the tatoo were cool, and I was going to accept them eventually even if I got mad initially. If we were talking about anything else, they were right, but my ex should have known better than to listen to a group of folks that do not know me all that well. What she did was impulsive, and she did not think about the ramifications at all, she just moved in the moment. She was not unsatisfied with our relationship at all, she says she was very happy. She allowed her girlfriends to talk her into something she knew I would be pissed about, and now she is sorry she did it. She said she was sorry she listened to them, and was even more sorry that she did not follow her first notion, which was to say she would rather talk to me about it, than get them without first discussing it with me because they are permanent. So just like the little boy in dress did not get one thing right in ten pages of discussion before, and another eight pages on another related issue, he didn't get this one right either. Been here before, outcome the same.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Oh, I'll probably burn in hell for this. I feel like the ghost of lex just wafted through the room. Since this thread's already way out of control, I guess I've got little to lose by pushing it over the edge and setting fire to the remains.

If you burn in hell, I will try and put you out noddin

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Or a weak man, not necessarily a woman

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Or a weak man, not necessarily a woman

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Or a weak man, not necessarily a woman.

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Or a weak man, not necessarily a woman.
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Or a weak man

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Or I could be talking about a drag queen. And actually, I was targeting a weak man, and pretty much nailed it!

When I brought up 'control', I thought I made it pretty clear that it wasn't about a need to control or even about being particularly controlling. It's just that relationships get set up in ways that can give control to one partner or the other. My wife is happy that I control the finances and the kitchen, I'm happy she controls the laundry. It just happens.

We are not married, and do not live in the same houshold. I clean my house, manage my own finances and do my own laundry. So no one person has control over the other, and when I was married, my wife controlled everything because I was too busy to. No problem though, she could handle business better than anyone I have ever met in life.

But, one can easily image that a failure to regard one gender as an equal partner would make it more likely that control situations would form more readily. I was already concerned, T, that you described your girlfriend mostly in the same context as your children. Now that you've let lose a stream of gender specific put downs...

Actually my comments were person specific, and are comments that are usually directed at weak men, not women. If you think a b!tch is just a woman, then you have been watching WAY too many rap videos. I b!tch can be a female dog, or a weak or subordinate man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*****

This isn't the dark ages anymore. That word has transcended beyond any strict difference to women.

No, actually at this point(and at any point) my children are first. They are my first responsiblity and priority until they get on their own. They certainly come before a woman that I am not married to. When I get married again(if I ever do) then my wife becomes my equal(just like my first one was).

Before you paint me as the sexist neaderthal, you are missing some critical pieces in your analysis. My first wife made 80 percent of the decisions. She was in charge of the household money, she ran the business side of my post production facility, help me build the business, and make decisions on what equipment to purchase. She often bought my clothes(at least the stuff she liked to see me in), she did everything because she wanted to, and because she was good at it, and I knew it. In many ways she was smarter and wiser, and I worshipped her. She helped raise my boys, and was great at it until she was killed. I had no problem recognizing that she was just better at many things than I was, and she tackled everything with such joy and vigor. While we looked at each other as equals, I actually raised her up on a high pedestal where she belonged.

You asked what we all thought about terminating your 5-year relationship over tattoos. If it was a good relationship, I think it was a shame.

I actually agree with you. You do not test good relationship with a bad impulsive decision that you knew had serious deterimental consequences. My first wife never did it(and she knew about the tatoo thing as well), and I would have never done it to her. Its called mutual respect, and I think some of you have forgotten about this. You do not wave a red flag in the face of a bull if you do not want it to charge, right? Now that was just an example, and not made to infer anything more than that, okay? LOL

[JSE]

If you burn in hell, I will try and put you out noddin

[derogatory remark targeting women]

Or a weak man, not necessarily a woman

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Or a weak man, not necessarily a woman

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Or a weak man, not necessarily a woman.

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Or a weak man, not necessarily a woman.
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Or a weak man

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Or I could be talking about a drag queen. And actually, I was targeting a weak man, and pretty much nailed it!



We are not married, and do not live in the same houshold. I clean my house, manage my own finances and do my own laundry. So no one person has control over the other, and when I was married, my wife controlled everything because I was too busy to. No problem though, she could handle business better than anyone I have ever met in life.



Actually my comments were person specific, and are comments that are usually directed at weak men, not women. If you think a b!tch is just a woman, then you have been watching WAY too many rap videos. I b!tch can be a female dog, or a weak or subordinate man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*****

This isn't the dark ages anymore. That word has transcended beyond any strict difference to women.

No, actually at this point(and at any point) my children are first. They are my first responsiblity and priority until they get on their own. They certainly come before a woman that I am not married to. When I get married again(if I ever do) then my wife becomes my equal(just like my first one was).

Before you paint me as the sexist neaderthal, you are missing some critical pieces in your analysis. My first wife made 80 percent of the decisions. She was in charge of the household money, she ran the business side of my post production facility, help me build the business, and make decisions on what equipment to purchase. She often bought my clothes(at least the stuff she liked to see me in), she did everything because she wanted to, and because she was good at it, and I knew it. In many ways she was smarter and wiser, and I worshipped her. She helped raise my boys, and was great at it until she was killed. I had no problem recognizing that she was just better at many things than I was, and she tackled everything with such joy and vigor. While we looked at each other as equals, I actually raised her up on a high pedestal where she belonged.



I actually agree with you. You do not test good relationship with a bad impulsive decision that you knew had serious deterimental consequences. My first wife never did it(and she knew about the tatoo thing as well), and I would have never done it to her. Its called mutual respect, and I think some of you have forgotten about this. You do not wave a red flag in the face of a bull if you do not want it to charge, right? Now that was just an example, and not made to infer anything more than that, okay? LOL

T, Nightflier........

What did I tell you guys about long-arse post!

Don't make me eat mexican!

[ForeverAutumn]

Sir T, thank you for taking the time to post such a lengthy response to me and to Noddinoff. My gut feeling was telling me to stay out of this and I should have listened to my gut.

As said before I don’t know you or anything about you, and perhaps what you write is not coming off well, but you were sounding like someone who has some control issues. Rightly or wrongly that’s just how it sounded.

The unfortunate thing about the internet and email is that everything is two dimensional. That third dimension is so important when it comes to getting to really know people.

After your last two posts, you have shed more light on yourself and begun to add to that third dimension. I apologize if I was out of line but your comments to Nightflier really did rub me the wrong way…call it my pet peeve. I should really learn to just mind my own business.

I’m glad that you and your ex were able to talk. It’s a shame that she let her friends talk her into something that she knew was a mistake and is having to pay such a high price.

[bobsticks]

She often bought my clothes(at least the stuff she liked to see me in), she did everything because she wanted to, and because she was good at it, and I knew it. In many ways she was smarter and wiser, and I worshipped her. She helped raise my boys, and was great at it until she was killed. I had no problem recognizing that she was just better at many things than I was, and she tackled everything with such joy and vigor.

That is the serious stuff of love mang. Jah T., that's the stuff we were talking about...passion...it is infectious. It sounds like you're coming to the point of some closure and that maybe healthy. Hopefully, after five years y'all can remain civil but in any case it should be instructional as to the qualities that it takes to move T.'s world and what just makes days pass.

Peace bruh

[bobsticks]

A central theme being played out on these posts, besides Terence's journey, is the mirage of familiarity which we assume with one another. True enough we laugh and lament, listen and learn, and frolic in the diversity of our common hobby.

But with all that we need a foundation, a rock. Too often are heard protests of discontent and disenfranchisement:

The unfortunate thing about the internet and email is that everything is two dimensional. That third dimension is so important when it comes to getting to really know people.

As said before I don’t know you or anything about you, and perhaps what you write is not coming off well,...

Before you paint me as the sexist neaderthal, you are missing some critical pieces in your analysis.

First, you do not know our history, and its not pretty.

What we need family is something solid and hard as steel...and that is me, for if there is one thing you can count on it's that I am exactly as shallow as I seem on the Net


Peace my bald, brown brudda and keep ya chin up

[Mr Peabody]

As I go back and read again and in light of ST's additional info I have another theory. T turns the stereo down, does his dishes, lowers his lid, he only has one hard liner, perhaps it's the opposite of what we first concluded, perhaps she thought because he caved on all other issues the tats would eventually blow over as well. Maybe it's healthy to have some ground of our own or stand some ground of our own. Some have said "give and take", maybe there must be a balance not just give. This is also a gradual and growing thing. I just celebrated with my wife our 24th anniversary, when I look back at how I was when we first met and my attitude now I wonder how we ever made it. I've definitely softened on some things and learned some tolerance. I think if two people are committed to making a relationship work you eventually find each others boundaries. One piece of advice I can give anyone looking to begin a relationship, YOU AIN'T GOING TO CHANGE YOUR MATE. First mistake is accepting something that you think you will later change. My wife is messy, drives me crazy. When I met her I could not see the top of her dresser, guess what, I still can't. When I first met my wife I listened to loud music, guess what, I still do. I try to be sensible about it and not crank it up at 10:00 on a school night, she, sometimes, leaves my space alone so it remains neat And, even after all these years there are still bumps in the road.

I will tell you one thing else, marriage is a partnership but if there is a tie there can only be one "head of the house". I and my wife believe this is the man. This is the way it is to be according to the Bible as well as man is to put his wife on a pedestal, love her and cherish her. Blast away at me if you will but any partnership where the partners are doing their own thing and both fighting for power will not be a partnership long.

I also hold the opinion of a boy wearing a dress is strange if he is serious about it,.If he wants to bake or play with girls toys, vice versa as well, that's fine, we all need to be well rounded.

I also find it interesting that T's girlfriend ended up with 2 tats. Most people start with one and work up, so did she get both at the same time or did she actually have one or both for a while before showing? I've also seen fresh tats and they aren't so pretty at first, they have to go through a healing process, even some scabbing, then they settle into the, hopefully, intended display. So if these looked fine at the time of unveiling she had them a while.

I hope this 3rd dimension building isn't going to take us to a place of no return.

[noddin0ff]

Cool. Now on to the next great adventure.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Sir T, thank you for taking the time to post such a lengthy response to me and to Noddinoff. My gut feeling was telling me to stay out of this and I should have listened to my gut.

I for one am glad you didn't listen to your gut. Your opinion has been very valueable, and do not think for a moment I didn't pay attention. I asked, you answered.

As said before I don’t know you or anything about you, and perhaps what you write is not coming off well, but you were sounding like someone who has some control issues. Rightly or wrongly that’s just how it sounded.

I think its amazing how we interpret things we read. I guess it all depends on the filters one uses when they are reading a post.

The unfortunate thing about the internet and email is that everything is two dimensional. That third dimension is so important when it comes to getting to really know people.

Yes the third deminsion is important. However daily exposure to a person, even online can tell you alot about a person. You and I do not get a chance to interact online very much, so you probably do not have a clue about certain aspects of my online personality. Sticks, Wooch more so than anyone here, Rich, GM, LJ, JSE are all people I interact with just about every day. If I was the troll that some of us thought I was, they would probably known about it long before anyone else here. I am really just an easy going guy with very sharp debating teeth.

After your last two posts, you have shed more light on yourself and begun to add to that third dimension. I apologize if I was out of line but your comments to Nightflier really did rub me the wrong way…call it my pet peeve. I should really learn to just mind my own business.

See, you have a pet peeve! Actually if you were offended, I would want to know about it. I do not want to offend anyone other than the person my comments were directed at. When I ask your opinion, I do not want you to mind your own business, I would like your opnion.

I’m glad that you and your ex were able to talk. It’s a shame that she let her friends talk her into something that she knew was a mistake and is having to pay such a high price.

Based on her best friend account, these "friends" are co-workers who every time she gets around them, finds herself in a snag. She has told her that these women are not good for her, and to not listen to a bunch of single women when it comes to relationships. I guess she will listen now, at least I hope she will. Things may not be over between her and I, but they will not be easily smoothed over either.

[Rich-n-Texas]

Things may not be over between her and I, but they will not be easily smoothed over either.

RATS. I was about to ask for her phone number.

[nightflier]

...we have talked about this, we did it this afternoon because her mom asked me to. She did not get the tatoos because of rebellion, a stifling boyfriend, or because she is controlled. She got the tatoo's because her SINGLE friends convinced her that no matter what I have said in the past, the tatoo were cool, and I was going to accept them eventually even if I got mad initially. If we were talking about anything else, they were right, but my ex should have known better than to listen to a group of folks that do not know me all that well. What she did was impulsive, and she did not think about the ramifications at all, she just moved in the moment. She was not unsatisfied with our relationship at all, she says she was very happy. She allowed her girlfriends to talk her into something she knew I would be pissed about, and now she is sorry she did it. She said she was sorry she listened to them, and was even more sorry that she did not follow her first notion, which was to say she would rather talk to me about it, than get them without first discussing it with me because they are permanent. So just like the little boy in dress did not get one thing right in ten pages of discussion before, and another eight pages on another related issue, he didn't get this one right either. Been here before, outcome the same.

Nice of you to add that little bit of info. We didn't know that and so we were left to speculate from the very scant info you provided initially.

For the record, you did make extremely sexist comments and sexually suggestive insults, the same ones you made in previous threads. So just because everyone else here thinks you're entitled to put that halo over your head, I say you don't. Your comments to me were uncalled for. I did not insult you or make derogatory remarks, but you let loose once again.

And just so that there's no misunderstanding, the previous heated discussions we had were last year (before x-mas) about HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray. I made the case that despite Blu-Ray's increasing numbers, the die had not yet been cast and that a number of factors could affect the outcome. Well, we all know what happened with HD-DVD, but none of this was certain then. lil'terry likes to point out the "ship going down in the ocean" scenario, so I'll save him the trouble of repeating it here, since he loves to rub that one in and embellish on it. Basically my argument was that if a ship carrying a critical part for a Blu-Ray player were to meet some unfortunate end, that it could affect prices of said Blu-Ray player. This had happened with computer parts in the past and seems to be the case with some chips needed for pre/pros as we speak (see my Outlaw Audio post). Mind you I didn't say that this would be conclusive, only that it could affect prices, but lil'terry ran with his exaggerations and well, the discussion deteriorated further.

He also likes to call me a liar, although I have never lied. I have made a few mistakes in my statements, yes, but I always fessed up to them. The one he likes to parade for everyone is where he won't believe that I spoke to Classe about their decision to go to Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. Well, I actually spoke to them on the phone about it, copied emails verbatim in my posts, and even referred him to the very sales rep I spoke with. But none of that was good enough and so he still calls me a liar.

The reason I bring this up is because this speaks volumes about his controlling nature. He absolutely can't stand being challenged. He believes himself to be the foremost authority on a number of subjects and anyone else is, well, of a lesser sort. In all his 2800+ posts, some of them desperately verbose and self-serving, there is no mention of ever being wrong. He says there is one somewhere, but I have yet to see it. Even if there is one, that's still quite a record.

So I dared challenge him on several threads, and well, I have felt first hand the wrath of lil'terry. The fact that I won't cower down and take it like so many others he has beaten down, probably frustrates him more than anything else. I have now pointed out on several occasions that he was condescending, arrogant, controlling, and sexist. It was also the case that in each of the discussions, he was the one who first started with the repulsive attacks and insults. My response then, and I maintain it now, is that lil'terry was overcompensating for some insecurities, hence the reason that I stopped referring to him as "Sir Terrence the Terrible" and just called him lil't, without caps. Yes, it's a bit petty, but compared to the insults he threw at me and continues to litter his posts with, I see no reason to change that, well not beyond calling him lil'terry.

I hope that we've all seen a new side of lil'terry in the last few posts here. I do believe that his comments are indicative of some serious relationship and sexuality issues he is dealing with, or perhaps avoiding. One doesn't need to be a psychologist to see that. That he is no longer in a relationship is probably a blessing for all involved.

And just so that we're clear, I don't wear dresses, I am happily married with children, and I don't really feel the need to compensate for any inadequacies in my life. So I don't insult people unless it is warranted. In this thread, I had no intension of insulting the OP. I was only offering constructive input from what I could determine the situation to be after reading the posts. If that's in doubt, please go back and read my initial post. Finally, if lil'terry only wanted input from "some people" then maybe this is not the forum for telling us about his relationship problems - there are plenty of other sites for that.

F.A., what you read in his posts has been seen elsewhere, and I haven't been the only one to be targeted with it, not by a long shot.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Nice of you to add that little bit of info. We didn't know that and so we were left to speculate from the very scant info you provided initially.

And you took this as an opportunity to take a dig. You are a weak coward little boy in dress. You are also terribly predictable. I knew you just wasn't going to walk away from this, but you would come back like a coward and continue to throw stones and play victim.

For the record, you did make extremely sexist comments and sexually suggestive insults, the same ones you made in previous threads. So just because everyone else here thinks you're entitled to put that halo over your head, I say you don't. Your comments to me were uncalled for. I did not insult you or make derogatory remarks, but you let loose once again.

You are full of **** little boy in dress. Your intentions were transparent from the start. See this is that weak ass passive/aggressive **** that absolutely gets on my nerves. "Oh, I was just a innocent victim just trying to give my opinion", when you are a little coward in a dress trying to get digs wherever you can. The fact that you didn't just walk away from this, and came back for more is perfect evidence of this.

And just so that there's no misunderstanding, the previous heated discussions we had were last year (before x-mas) about HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray. I made the case that despite Blu-Ray's increasing numbers, the die had not yet been cast and that a number of factors could affect the outcome. Well, we all know what happened with HD-DVD, but none of this was certain then. lil'terry likes to point out the "ship going down in the ocean" scenario, so I'll save him the trouble of repeating it here, since he loves to rub that one in and embellish on it. Basically my argument was that if a ship carrying a critical part for a Blu-Ray player were to meet some unfortunate end, that it could affect prices of said Blu-Ray player. This had happened with computer parts in the past and seems to be the case with some chips needed for pre/pros as we speak (see my Outlaw Audio post). Mind you I didn't say that this would be conclusive, only that it could affect prices, but lil'terry ran with his exaggerations and well, the discussion deteriorated further.

Blah, blah, blah. In the end you were completely wrong on every count. Ten pages of your ignorant crap, and not a single thing bore out in reality. This is why you need to stop posting, and start learning. You are a empty wagon on a bumpy road, you make alot of noise, but don't carry much knowledge.

It wasn't just the ship going down in the sea. It was the use of acoustical foam to balance your speakers, your rediculous claim that you had a choice to pass DSD or not on your player(which is a lie and you know it), and your lousy and lame explaination of why you use the cheap ass ICBM for bass management when the digital bass management in the player would have done the task. Its the claim that there is tons of musical information below 40hz with acoustical instruments(which there is not), and your expertise on the need for the LFE channel in music application(which it is not needed at all). You made so many outrageous, uneducated claims and comments, and when evidence was given that disputes what you claim, you just ignored it, spun it or attempted to deny what you originally meant. I call that a greasy lying boy in a dress.

He also likes to call me a liar, although I have never lied. I have made a few mistakes in my statements, yes, but I always fessed up to them. The one he likes to parade for everyone is where he won't believe that I spoke to Classe about their decision to go to Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. Well, I actually spoke to them on the phone about it, copied emails verbatim in my posts, and even referred him to the very sales rep I spoke with. But none of that was good enough and so he still calls me a liar.

Oh, goin Hillary on me now? You tell a blatant lie, and then say I "mispoke". So now your "few mistakes" are the new lie. First you said you had a friend that was a huge classe fan that worked in customer service that made the comment, then it was a sales rep that made the comment, then you spoke on the phone, and that was where the comment was made, then it was emails. When you lie this much, and cannot get your story straight, then your made up copies of the emails are just as suspect as the original lie you told. De-Nile is an awful long river boy in dress. You keep telling these kinds of lies, and you will never make it to the Mediterranean Sea before drowning in your own bull. You are much like G. Bush. You tell lies, and then immerse yourself so deeply in them, you actually believe them yourself. Your pants are smokin man, flames goin everywhere.

The reason I bring this up is because this speaks volumes about his controlling nature. He absolutely can't stand being challenged. He believes himself to be the foremost authority on a number of subjects and anyone else is, well, of a lesser sort. In all his 2800+ posts, some of them desperately verbose and self-serving, there is no mention of ever being wrong. He says there is one somewhere, but I have yet to see it. Even if there is one, that's still quite a record.

So you have read every one of my 2800+ and came to the conclusion that they were verbose and self serving? Either you are the biggest liar of all time, or you are a stalker. Which is it, nightLIAR, or nightSTALKER? I do not argue or debate issues I do not know about. When I do argue and debate, you can bet your best dress that I know exactly what I am talking about. I proved you wrong didn't I. Warner did go bluray just when I said they would and for the reasons I said they would, and downloading is in bluray rear view mirror just like I said it would be. In all of your lies and spin, you didn't get a single thing correct. That was because your conclusions were completely uneducated.

I have been actively and dailey participating on this board since 1996. So if you have read only 2800 posts(which is a huge lie), you still have alot of ground to cover. Woochifer can easily verify this. When Richard Greene was here(sniff) he often corrected me when I was wrong, and I openly admitted it. So this is another case of your half assed analysis falling short.

So I dared challenge him on several threads, and well, I have felt first hand the wrath of lil'terry. The fact that I won't cower down and take it like so many others he has beaten down, probably frustrates him more than anything else. I have now pointed out on several occasions that he was condescending, arrogant, controlling, and sexist. It was also the case that in each of the discussions, he was the one who first started with the repulsive attacks and insults. My response then, and I maintain it now, is that lil'terry was overcompensating for some insecurities, hence the reason that I stopped referring to him as "Sir Terrence the Terrible" and just called him lil't, without caps. Yes, it's a bit petty, but compared to the insults he threw at me and continues to litter his posts with, I see no reason to change that, well not beyond calling him lil'terry.

Wash rinse recycle, wash rinse recycle. That is all this is boy in a dress. You are a poor debater, a crybaby, a whiner, and a complainer. You don't know anything about audio or video, but you love to pretend you do. What you don't like about me is that I uncovered you, and showed that you do not know as much about these things as you like to think, and like others to think as well. You are merely a boy in a dress....a really dumb one at that.

I hope that we've all seen a new side of lil'terry in the last few posts here. I do believe that his comments are indicative of some serious relationship and sexuality issues he is dealing with, or perhaps avoiding. One doesn't need to be a psychologist to see that. That he is no longer in a relationship is probably a blessing for all involved.

You are like a broken record. The same old crap over and over again. In spite of the fact that my ex took responsibility for what she did, you are still attempting to make this about me. You are once again ignoring the facts presented just so you can advance your pitiful agenda. You are a petty little boy in a dress. WHO CARES WHAT YOU BELIEVE, and why would anyone believe a boy in a dress?

And just so that we're clear, I don't wear dresses, I am happily married with children, and I don't really feel the need to compensate for any inadequacies in my life. So I don't insult people unless it is warranted. In this thread, I had no intension of insulting the OP. I was only offering constructive input from what I could determine the situation to be after reading the posts. If that's in doubt, please go back and read my initial post. Finally, if lil'terry only wanted input from "some people" then maybe this is not the forum for telling us about his relationship problems - there are plenty of other sites for that.

You wear dresses alright. Even cross dressers can be married boy in dress.

Once again you are here telling more lies. You came to this thread with the very intention on insulting me. You still have not answer my question. Why come and give your opinion on a personal thing about a person you so completely dislike? I know why, because you wanted another chance to spew your bull**** over and over again. You are so stupid that you cannot see this, and you are back here doing the same thing you did in previous post. You just cannot let things go, especially after you have been kicked around with facts, and proven to be the uneducated fool you really are. You are so predictable boy in a dress. You do not like anyone making you look bad, or trying to destroy the illusion of knowledge that you have tried to create here, so you just come back over and over again with this pathetic diatribe over and over again. Its quite pitiful boy in dress.

F.A., what you read in his posts has been seen elsewhere, and I haven't been the only one to be targeted with it, not by a long shot.

Looking for a little sympathy little pathetic boy in dress? Attack, cry. Attack, cry. Attack, victim. Insult, now victim. Passive/aggressive on steroids.

Just watch, he'll be back again. Even though his crackpot online analysis has already been proven wrong, he'll be back to advance his claims of sexism, control, and arrogance. Its a deflection tool to hide the fact that he is merely a boy in a dress who believes his own press(there is a tune in there somewhere!). Anyone here wanna bet on this?

[nightflier]

You just cannot let things go

I'm letting this one go. Good riddance.

And when you're 75, single, alone, sitting in your rocking chair in a back corner at the old-folks home, surrounded by your John Curl customized Onkyo amps, your fancy Sony switcher, and a mountain of obsolete Blu-Ray movies, you'll say to yourself: Gee, maybe I am jerk after all.... 'Guess he was right about that one!

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

I'm letting this one go. Good riddance.

And when you're 75, single, alone, sitting in your rocking chair in a back corner at the old-folks home, surrounded by your John Curl customized Onkyo amps, your fancy Sony switcher, and a mountain of obsolete Blu-Ray movies, you'll say to yourself: Gee, maybe I am jerk after all.... 'Guess he was right about that one!

blah blah blah blahBLAH. This could happen to you, life forever is not guarantee to your partner of 16 years. She could die tomorrow dealing with your passive/aggressive tendencies. Then you would be a 75 y/o idiot trying to balance your cheap audio system with acoustical foam, and wondering why your HQV chip isn't communicating with another HQV chip via HDMI. LOLOL

See just how predictable you are? Just like I said, it is impossible for you to let things go, especially when you are made to look really bad(which ain't all that difficult). Now who is the sick one?

Little boy in dress, you do not know what my life will look like at 75 y/o. But maybe at 75 y/o you'll take a nice look at yourself and realize that you are but a boy in a dress......a real old boy. LOL

[Auricauricle]

Ya know, I always wondered what the feedback destroyer did....(LOL)

You're right: there are a lot of armchair psychologists out there, and they do like to dish it out....Rightly or wrongly, if you are going to walk in and offer something up to the gods, you'll going to get s__t on or get a rainbow....Who can say? Take it all with a pich of salt and make up your own mind. As a wise friend once said: "Opinions are like a__holes: everyone has one and they all stink" (ahem!). Or, more eloquently, its like Buddha said, "Be ye lamps unto yourselves". It's your decision to make...

Just one more nail, as long as I am tapping: psychology is, like other enterprises devoted to understanding our species, given to fairly elaborate pontification and rumination. As a student of the stuff, I would say that we humans take a pretty high-minded view of our ourselves and forget, now and then, where we come from. I like to think that everything I learned about human nature came from watching Marlin Perkins and Mutual of Omaha's "Wild Kingdom". That said, if you want to find out what's going on, then you might do well by just thinking about the basics.

Hope all goes well. If you're into reconciling, this might be a good time to let a few cats out of the bag and talk. Somehow, I get the sense that things have been mighty quiet around the homestead, Buckaroo....