Quote Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible
Do you have any idea that there is a whole segment of people that think everything you named here is just average? Do you have the communication skills to discuss anything without name calling? Or should we just dismiss you as another immature 12 y/o?



That rediculous impossible standard is the standard for both Bluray and HD DVD. Any product that is going to capture the attention of the folks that drive the video market have to meet that standard or exceed it. There is no going backwards. The good enough folks have a much different mindset than the want the best folks.



You current rig would be considered average at best to quite a few videophiles. To joesixpack your system may be off the chain, but there is quite a few folks in this hobby who are not impressed with 720p as their highest resolution. Not when they have already been exposed to 1080p. There were a few panels and DLP's that could not take a 1080p input, but the lions share now can. 1080p projectors can except a 1080p signal, and that is what videophiles use, not 50" plasma or LCD panels.




Anyone who has looked at 1080p images on a properly calibrated display device knows that 1080p is not an incremental increase over 720p. It is twice the resolution, and that is quite noticeable. Working stiffs do not drive technology, they are laggerds behind the trend setters. That's a fact.



Anyone who uses a store as a critical viewing space is not very bright. Stores do not calibrate their sets, and 99% of the display devices in stores are in the torch mode, too bright, has the wrong color temperature, and the gray scale is off. You have harsh lights reflecting off the screen, and more often than not you are too far to see the detail in a 1080p image. If you think that bluray at 1920x1080p with bitrates up to 54mbps looks the same as the typical broadcast resolution of 1440x1080p with a average bitrate of 14.4mbps you are blind as a bat. I am willing to believe based on what you have posted that your set is not properly calibrated. That is the only way you can make the statements you do.



Woooopie!!! Like I have said, your ceiling is my floor.



As I have said, there is good enough(you and your friends) and those who want the best of the best(that would be most videophiles). The folks that actually drive the video business are not the good enough folks. Sorry.



If you claim that ones system is "imaginary", can't that same claim be thrown back in your shortsighted face? How you can make this statement and keep a straight face is beyond me. You know peoples committment to their hobby by how much they are willing to spend to get the best performance there is. I am not disputing or contesting your committment to what you have done, I am stating that what you call quality is not what I call quality. You are at good enough, I am at getting the best. 720p is good enough for you, its not for me. Its just that simple. You cannot say your system is more of a committment than mine. You have no clue how much blood and sweat I have put into my system do you?



I am not oblivious to VOD, I am realistic about it. VOD is not where the studio I work for is putting their resources. It is not where the hollywood studios as a whole are putting their resources. The studio put their resources where the greatest return will come. Based on their actions, its bluray. Warner has basically settled this, so we can effectively move out of the war mode, and into the replacement mode. You are apparently still stuck in the war mode, move on, its over.



VOD is no competition to disc SALES. Since you do not work in my field or industry, you do not understand that this has been researched over and over again. People who use VOD are not quality oriented, the are convience oriented. They are not buyers, they are renters. Two different types of consumer. Most studios have a plan to replace DVD. They have transition from VHS to DVD. What they did then is simply release the DVD first with a large advertising campaign promoting the extra features and better PQ and SQ, and release the VHS later that was basically featureless. They know how to run their business, you don't.

Run it into the ground.
Sony , (which I am guessing is your company) knows NOTHING about marketing,
and if you're in the marketing dept thats understandable.
THEY put out a videotape player that recorded 1:30 in a 2:00 movie world,
and lost hundreds of millions as a result.
Poured millions into minidisc right when solid state and miniharddrive players were on the horizion.
And El-cassette, well, lets not go there.
You're a prime example, talking about "renters" and "buyers".
There arent two categeories, most people are BOTH.
Talledega nights, a nice piece of fluff, but do I want to shell out the cash to own a copy?
Heck no! Is a pristine picture a high priority on this sitcom on screen?
A decent pq is fine for this.
But bladerunner, cinema paradisio, after dark, fight club, etc, those I want a copy of.
All I am saying is that vod and downloading was big at CES, for rental this is the future for most, and that will hurt the rental stores, where a lot of copies of movies are sold.
The future for any disc format is the collector, you have admitted this so why are you arguing with me?
My main point is that what is the format for collectors going to be?
For a lot of collectors, especially with DVD collections, DVD will do fine.
For a new format the improvement is going to be incremental, and for most that dont have the latest tech It wont even be that.
Basically Sony and other blu types need to buy marketshare, fast, find some way to end this "war" faster than it is ending, or they are going to be like SACD and DVDAUDIO,
selling to a small market of highq types, while the rest of the world is happy with
dvd and VOD. On my upscaler DVD is smooth but not much better than regular,
but a real improvement in upscaling would kill BLU, people could get a vast improvement on their current collections, and download casual fare.
Basically Sony better get their act together, its a changing world, and they will get caught with their pants down (again) if they dont watch it