Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis
Sir Terrence the TerribleI do not work for Sony, want to try again??
Well ,let me know who you DO work for so I can stay the hell away from them
Don't worry, they wouldn't let anyone like in the door.


I know all about the pro uses of BETA, and compared to the consumer market its peanuts,
and that was basically it. They didnt invent the CD, it was a group effort, but they did do CD text, which they charge so much for that basically the only CD's with CD text are sony products
Bull. While the price of VHS dropped, beta did not. They didn't need to sell as many beta deck to make as much money as VHS. If it didn't do well, why did it take them till 2002 to quit making it? Sony and Phlips developed the CD, and Sony had the lion share of the patents on the technology. Get your facts straight.



two different schools of thought ? More like two different MOODS.
I'll rent something I just want to see for a night, but I WILL BUY SOMETHING I like a lot.
One doesnt preclude the other and the fact that you dont understand this speaks vollumes
So you lead the American pack. What you do, all Americans do. Americans are so brainless that they look to you to get a cue on what to do. Riiiiiight, and I am a poor white man from the appalachians. If you thought for all Americans, there would be no America.


In other words you dont like it so poo poo, never mind that a lot share my opinion
I do not care what you do. You can flush your 51 y/o head down the toilet for all I care. But your opinion, and the data and facts do not agree. For me, this is never about you or anyone else I debate. It is about facts, and facts only. The fact is, you are either living on another planet, or you are living in another consciousness on this planet. People are not ready to purchase movie files. The data is clear. The surveys that have been done have pointed to this as well. Now if you think your opinion is more accurate than the facts, there is nothing I can say about that. I however choose the facts, not your opnion.



But you would rent it for a first view, which is what I am saying
I do not rent that much. And when I do, its the disc.


Tell that to people who are trying to keep dying CD sales active, tell millions of ipod users
that they are having "trouble" managing files. And keep your head in the sand, BTW
Even with sales declining for CD's, it is still a market that is almost 100 times the size of the downloading music market. Second, CD and music downloads are not movies. Can you understand the difference? When you buy a music as a download, you can move it from your computer to a single device. But it will not let you move it to other devices, especially as DRM to death as music files are. A download from one vendor does not work on the other(Apple files can only be used on apple products, microsoft files only on microsoft). This may work for music, but not having mobility with movie files is basically killing that market. Apple may allow you to move a movie file from your computer to your Ipod, but you cannot move it anywhere else. How do I watch that on my TV, when the file is stuck on the IPOD? Nobody is ready to trust their movie collections to a hard drive. Survey after survey has already proven this. With the evidence so overwhelming against downloading to own, it appears it you that has his head in the sand. A music file is not a movie file. They will never be the same. One is WAY smaller than the other, and the push in the video market is for larger screens and better sound, not the reverse.



Are you just simpleminded or what? THATS THE POINT.
No I am NOT taking advantage of the full rez of a Blu ray watching it on 720p, and since a 1080p isnt in the near future why bother GETTING Bluray?
Then YOU don't get bluray. But 1080p is here for the rest of us, and guess what, the public is buying it by the droves. Sales of 1080p panels have already caught up to 720p panels according to NDP, and will overtake 720p before the end of this year. This is pushing sales of bluray players, and after the warner annoucement, players are selling so well that the chipmakers are running short of chips. Nobody was prepared for the jump in sales of what you term as old technology. So just because you cannot take advantage of blurays resolution, does not mean that everyone has to dump bluray for downloads. And you call me thick headed old fool?




And I have been exposed to 1080p pixel for pixel and it looks simply great , so can I borrow 3,400 bucks for a monitor, since in my size room it would take a 52in at least to see the difference?
What are you, lazy? Get your own stuff. If this is not a priority for you, download. Downloads are perfect for you. The resolution fits your panel, and you first priority is not the best quality, its what you can afford. Any level headed person can understand this. But your lack does not mean you can spread untrue information just because you do not benefit from a technology.

And where is someone who works for a living getting this money, they are gonna pull it outta their butt?
I got to work just like everyone else does. Usually my money comes in the form of a direct deposit. I do not know of anyone that gets paid through the butt. I guess you are the first.

thE ONLY sets that can even accept 1080p, (forget about 24p) came out this year,
a guy who bought a 1080p set LAST year (that cant even take a 1080p input ) or a guy like me who bought a 1366/ 766 ISNT GOING TO TRADE and pay several thousand
to see the improvement in bluray, wont happen , trust me.
The sets that can accept 1080p came out the middle of last year, not just this year. The sets that could not accept 1080p natively could accept 1080i, and the television did the deinterlacing. So there is potentially no loss if the deinterlacing is done well. Based on what I see from sales of 1080p panels, somebody is buying them. They started outselling 720p panels in late November, and have almost caught total sales of 720p panels. So somebody is buying them, and they are buying alot of them at that.


Now you have a few on this board who have to have the latest toy, even with a 720p set they'll buy a blu disc player, people like mr p, but I dont beleive in buying capability I cant use.
That is you. Do you really think that you repesent everyone? People who want the technology will get it. People who want 1080p will get it. People who want a bluray will get it. Its not a priority for you, and I understand that. But what you are attempting to do is spread poison on bluray, just because you cannot get all of the resolution out of it. And the only source you can get the resolution is from downloads, and that is why you are pushing it. Very disengenous and selfish.

And I know that Mr P will protest, proclaim new q that hes seeing, but he also paid several hundred for a power cord, hes' not exactly objective
This sounds like jealousy to me. Why does buying a power cord make him not objective, yet you think you are being objective?





Yeah, it won, and it is STILL in relativly the same place SACD was , since the VIDEO market is a lot bigger
And its gonna stay there because the same nimrods who created the biggest marketing
missfire in history are in charge of marketing IT , and the coming recession/ depression isnt going to help, so pardon if I am not quite as optimistic as you are
So this is a perfect demonstration of what an idiot you are. Do you know that Sony is just one company out of 270 pushing bluray? Did you know that Pioneer has just as much a stake in this as Sony? Did you know that Panasonic has the majority of patents on bluray disc technology? Do you know that Disney has spent more money promoting bluray than any other studio has? Do you know the last recession we had back in the early 2000's didn't effect either player or disc sales of the DVD? They continued to grow year over year. Did you know that research has proven that home based video actually grows during recessions? Why? Because folks would rather cut out going out to dinner, cut back on trips, spend less on high ticket items, and do other cost cutting and stay home for their entertainment. That is why Warner made the decision to switch at the moment they did. If you are going to take advantage of your momentum, you have to do it at the right time.


Yep, and thats not what I AM ARGUING ABOUT.
New tech is possible that could extrapolate data and create an exelent pq from DVD,
this tech is out there , just too expensive , it hasnt been "chipped" yet,but it can be.
And again the number of people who have gone broke selling quality to joe sixpack is legion. On the other hand I remember sheets of cellophane with three bars of color on them, put them on a black and white set and its all of a sudden a "color" set!
They used to sell a ton of these things
Alot you know. There is nothing out there that can making a pig a runway model. Upscaling is the last thing you can do to smoothen out the rough edges of the DVD. That is it. So what do you do, create a product that can magically make 480 lines 1920 lines? The only way to go is up, not sideways. DVD as a format is not making the manufacturers any money, and the studios are beginning to lose money as well. The largest CE companies are acutally losing money producing players thanks to the Chinese with their cheap a$$ players flooding the market.

To compare a product like bluray to cellophane with color bars is like comparing your wacky opinions with facts and figures from NDP. Thats how far your analysis is off the mark


Again not what I am saying, DLD to own is aways off, but with the coming financial storm
people could just decide to make do and live with DVD for collecting and downloading
for rental, sure a Bluray is reletively cheap, but only to HT types, most dont want to pay over 50 to a 100 bucks for a disc player, and thats not the only cost, the biggest cost is the software, which could run into the thousands of dollars.
Just to show you how stupid you sound. You are saying that folks are willing to pay for first broadband cable(for VOD or quicker downloading of movies from Apple), pay for TIVO or rent the box for VOD. What if they want to watch the movie twice. That is extra. What if cable goes out? They are $hit out of luck. What if what they want to see is on disc, but not on VOD or available for download?(there is a window the the disc is released before the download is availble whether talking VOD or downloading from the interent if you can get it at all). In the last recession they didn't do that, so what makes you think that in this recession they will? There is not indications right now things are headed that way at all. All one has to do is look at bluray sales post Warner announcement which have surprised everyone in the industry. DVD early in its life was cheap only to HT people, then it became affordable to everyone. The same will follow here. When folks see how devalued the studio are doing DVD, there interest will peak at bluray. Evidence of that is already showing up.



DVD to collect and HD to download could be a choice made in hard financial times, especially since a lot already
have extensive DVD collections, and there is the usual crowd who will see blu as mearly a "gimmick" to get more of their money.
It COULD be the choice, anything COULD be a choice right? You look at bluray as a gimmick, but I do not see anyone else looking at it that way. Is this more of what I do is what everyone does? Those who collect(much like myself) look at their collections to see what would benefit from the better PQ and SQ, and upgrade as such. There is plenty of research done that points to the fact that folks buy MORE discs during recessions than less. They buy fewer cars, fewer washing machine and dryers, spend less at Walmart for consumable goods, buy less clothes, eat out less, consume less gas, but buy more home media. Home entertainment rules in a recession, because in the long run, it is a cheaper form of entertainment that does not require them to leave the house. The studios are going to transition folks to bluray, and they have a plan to do so. There is already evidence this plan is working. The studio are not going to push downloading because they do not want to spend the money creating the market. They are completely satisfied with Microsoft and Apple building the market, and them taking it over when the demand is there.


BASICALLY what I am saying is that the war isnt quite over, they are still selling HD players, its not over until tosh caves, they havent yet.
And in these troubled times Sony could wind up with yet another tecnological DO DO BIRD.
Especially with myopic types like you running things
Pixel, you do not know your A$$ from a hole in the ground. THE WAR IS OVER. Toshiba is getting rid of inventory, Paramount is already releasing bluray disc in europe, and Universal will be making a move in the fall. Last week disc sales were 85-15 in favor of bluray. Why in the heck do you think that Toshiba is willing to lose $100 on each player sold, and why do you think that Amazon and Best buy are heavily discounting HD DVD products. They are doing it because the war is over, and they are making room for Bluray products which are selling, and which they make a larger profit from. Two major big box retailers are going total bluray. This is information that has already been confirmed, and if you look around, is already happening. It is fairly obvious you have not been looking around, because anyone who has can already see that Bluray is a loooooong way from a technological "do do bird".

I will tell you this, If I had a business, you would be the last person I would let run it. Your ignorance of market trends, the business on a more basic level, and your unwillingness to use surveys, facts or figures to shape your decision making process makes you unfit to run anything resembling a profitable business. Stick to posting your opinions on Audioreview, and please stay out of the video and film industry.