plasma is DEAD...part deux

[pixelthis]

Oh brother, here we go again. See this is what happens when you miss your daily dose of meds.

you are what happened when your dad missed his meds long enough to find your mom attractive.

[pixelthis]

Whatchu talkembout Willis?...my neighbor bought a 42-inch 1080p Panny plasma yesterday for 8 bones.



So, if you're in the market for a TV today you should wait a couple years for maybe LED to become viable. Of course by then you'll be advcocating that folks wait another few years for the ghost of OLED to be affordable without a government bailout. One can only imagine the havoc you'll wreak with the phrase "LED is dead.", all the while thinking it's clever.

Is plasma dying? Sure just like you and me, the WHO G64 and, apparently, the public school system. With a 30% increase in sales, a more affordable price tag, and a superior picture quality, plasma is more like the Southern Sea Otter, if we're gonna make Endangered Species list analogies. It's clearly the best buy unless your goal is to continuously rationalize a series of lowest common denominator purchases.

GEE , a highly intelligent, well thought out rational post!
Sure you are in the right place?
Actually I posted this thread for a reason, mainly that a big improvement in PQ in
LCD sets is about to happen.
The main reason plasma fanboys give for buying a plasma is PQ, they
JUST DONT GET IT.
You need mass sales to make a form factor work, and to most teh dim picture of a plasma far outweighs the very dim picture.
And now with LED backlight starting to get produced PQ will increase substantially.
There are those, like me, that like the LCD picture already.
Plasma is dim, undefined, soft focus CRAP IMHO.
Thanks for the nice post, anyway.

[Duds]

Christ, do I really need to do this?

bestbuy.com today

Panasonic 46" 1080p plasama - $999 (on sale)

Sony 46" 1080p lcd - $1,999 (on sale)

Who is subsidizing the panny plasma Dicksie?

NO "THEORY", just fact.
In a HHGREG flyer all of the plasmas were more than the lcds.
At walfart the plasmas were cheaper, but 720P.
IF a plasma is cheaper its being subsidized ...
THEY cost more to make.
And dont forget, TWICE as much to run, so over the (short) life of one they will burn more juice

[GMichael]

My first post IS the truth old man.
LED LCD is going to be an interim to OLED.
Plasma sales are going to drop off of the floor(where they are already)
PLASMA IS DEAD.

Yo be a funny ars man.

[GMichael]

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs...72009012646554

PANASONIC EXPANDS ITS AWARD WINNING LINE OF VIERA® Plasma HDTVs

Enhanced Features and Screen Sizes, Brighter Panels, Deeper Blacks And Full-Time 1080 TV Lines of Motion Picture Resolution Highlight 2009 VIERA Plasma HDTV Product Lines

Las Vegas, NV (January 7, 2009) – Panasonic Corporation of North America (NYSE: PC), the industry leader in high definition Plasma and LCD televisions, introduced its expanded line of VIERA HDTVs at the 2009 Consumer Electronics Show. Building upon its award winning portfolio of high definition televisions, Panasonic will broaden its offering in 2009 by introducing new screen sizes in both Plasma and LCD lines with a new 54-inch class plasma and 19-inch class LCD. In addition, VIERA will extend its unique technology features, such as the acclaimed VIERA CAST™ web menu, to additional model lines.



VIERA CAST, originally launched in 2008, will broaden its entertainment offering with the addition of Amazon’s VOD streaming video service. Panasonic also extended the prestigious THX® Certified Display to three product lines. With a continuing emphasis on improving the television’s performance and reducing the impact on the planet’s carbon footprint, Panasonic’s 2009 line of VIERA HDTVs have improved their energy efficiency vs. last year’s models, while also improving the overall picture performance of the HDTVs.



Year after year, Panasonic has been dedicated to bringing new picture improving technologies to HDTVs and 2009’s line-up continues that trend. With the digital transition on the horizon and an increased awareness among consumers of high definition, consumers now demand blacker blacks, faster response times and the billions of colors that Panasonic VIERA HDTVs deliver.



In 2008, Panasonic offered one VIERA HDTV series that had innovative internet enabled VIERA CAST feature. In 2009, it will be extended to three series – The Z1 series, the V10 series and the G10 series. In addition to the continuation of such favorite entertainment sites as Google’s YouTube™, Picasa™ Web Album, Bloomberg and weather service; a consumer will now have an access to HD movie rental via Amazon Video-on-Demand. Panasonic has also improved VIERA CAST interface by implementing quick keyword input (like a cell phone) to help retrieve favorite content faster and easier. Panasonic HDTVs VIERA Link - a technology that utilizes HDMI-CEC (Consumer Electronics Control) and allows a consumer to operate all VIERA Link™ compatible A/V components using only the TV’s remote control and helpful on-screen menus. In addition to operating a VIERA HDTV, video source (Blu-ray and DVD player) and home theater receiver; VIERA Link permits operation of a network camera, ideal for monitoring of a home/nursery*. A VIERA Link capable Network Camera BL-C210A can be connected to a VIERA HDTV and controlled via VIERA Link remote. Users can then watch their child, pet and/or property by installing the camera and networking to the VIERA HDTV via Ethernet cable. The BL-C210A will be available in the United States in the summer of 2009.



As in 2008, all Panasonic VIERA HDTVs feature VIERA Image Viewer™ a function for easy viewing of digital still photos and in some models, the ability to play back AVCHD video recorded on SD card.



For 2009, VIERA Plasma HDTVs are rated, as in 2008, to have a lifespan of 100,000 hours. This is more than 30 years of viewing when watched for 8 hours a day, before the TV reaches half brightness. To further improve picture quality, VIERA HDTVs feature some breakthrough consumer innovations like 600Hz Sub-field Drive and Infinite Black panel with improved contrast ratios. In 2008, Panasonic offered VIERA HDTV models that were THX certified and in 2009, the prestigious certification will be extended to 8 VIERA models (The V10 series and the G10 series). THX Ltd. works closely with Panasonic from initial product design phase to the final product rollout in the market. THX certification ensures that each display can present all HD and standard definition content to the maximum resolution with accurate color and luminance levels.



Panasonic’s commitment to improving the environment was confirmed this year as all of its 2009 VIERA HDTVs qualified for Energy Star certification. As in the past, VIERA Plasma HDTVs are lead and mercury free.



“Panasonic’s superior quality, connectivity and service continues to distinguish the VIERA line,” said Bob Perry, Executive Vice President, Panasonic Consumer Electronics Company. “Not only have our VIERA HDTVs received critical acclaim from consumer and trade publications, but Panasonic has maintained the market lead for the majority of the last three years. Panasonic has never rested on its laurels and the 2009 VIERA line continues that thinking. This year Panasonic has created the ‘Neo-PDP’ line with a brighter panel, double luminance efficiency, deeper blacks with improved contrast ratio and 1080 TV lines of Moving Picture Resolution. Our corporate philosophy of Ideas for Life is borne out by our attention to the consumer- to provide the ultimate entertainment experience in an easy to use format. That is why we have expanded our VIERA CAST feature and continued to improve the functionality of VIERA Link.”



PANASONIC VIERA Plasma HDTV

Z1 Series

The flagship VIERA plasma in 2009 is the Z1 series, with a revolutionary one inch thin panel design and Wireless HD connectivity to deliver the ultimate sleek, uncluttered HDTV viewing experience. Also included on the VIERA Z1 is VIERA CAST web menu with the new streaming HD movie rental capability via Amazon Video-on-Demand. The Neo PDP design of the VIERA Z1 produces a brighter picture, deeper blacks, improved native contrast ratio (40,000:1) and Full-Time 1080 TV lines of motion resolution. Other Z1 model features include;1080p resolution, a THX Certified Display; an Infinite Black panel; 600Hz Sub-field Drive; and VIERA Linkä, and VIERA Image Viewer for playing back digital still images and AVCHD videos recorded on SD Memory Cards. The Z1 series will be available in the summer of 2009 in the new TC-54Z1, 54-inch class screen size (54” measured diagonally).



V10 Series

The VIERA V10 series are slim, 2-inch thin plasma HDTVs with built-in tuners. The V10 series offer such cutting edge innovations as Digital Cinema Color™ which helps to deliver all movie-essential colors, full THX Display certification, and the VIERA CAST web menu with Amazon Video on Demand services. The Neo PDP design of the V10 series features 1080p resolution; deeper blacks, improved native contrast ratio of 40,000:1; Full-Time 1080 TV lines of motion resolution; an Infinite Black panel; 600Hz Sub-field Drive; VIERA Link, and VIERA Image Viewer for playing back digital still images and AVCHD videos recorded on SD Memory Cards. The V10 series is available in a 65-inch class (64.8” measured diagonally), 58-inch class (58” measured diagonally), 54-inch class (54” measured diagonally), and a 50-inch class (49.9” measured diagonally) screen size. The 50-inch model with one-sheet-of-glass design will be available in May 2009 and the remaining models will be available in the summer of 2009.



G10 Series

The VIERA G10 Plasma series include features like the VIERA CAST web menu, a THX certified Display, and VIERA Image Viewer for playing back digital still images and AVCHD videos recorded on SD Memory Cards. The NEO PDP design of the G10 series also offers 1080p resolution, deeper blacks, improved native contrast ratio of 40,000:1, Full-Time 1080 TV lines of motion resolution, an Infinite Black panel, 600Hz Sub-field Drive, as well as Game Mode and VIERA Link. The G10 series will be available in a 54-inch class (54” measured diagonally), 50-inch class (49.9” measured diagonally), 46-inch class (46” measured diagonally), and 42-inch class (41.6” measured diagonally) screen size. The 42-inch, 46-inch and 50-inch HDTVs will be available in March 2009, while the 54-inch model will be available in May 2009.



S1 Series

The VIERA S1 Plasma series offers a broad range of HDTVs which also represent the first VIERA plasma series to feature the new NEO PDP designs. Key features of the S1 series include Full-Time 1080 TV lines of motion resolution, which eliminate traditional HDTV motion blur. The S1 series also feature THX certified displays together with VIERA Image Viewer. Other features include 1080p resolution; a native contrast ratio of 40,000:1; an Infinite Black panel; 600Hz Sub-field Drive; and a Game Mode. The S1 series will compliment the V10 65” screen size with its own 65-inch class (64.7” measured diagonally) product. Other S1 sizes include a 58-inch class (58” measured diagonally), a 54-inch class (54” measured diagonally), a 50-inch class (49.9” measured diagonally), a 46-inch class (46” measured diagonally), and a 42-inch class (41.6” measured diagonally). The 42-inch, 46-inch and 50-inch HDTVs will be available in March 2009 while the 54-inch will be available in the summer of 2009.



X1 Series

Panasonic’s focus in 2009 continues to be on high definition 1080p HDTVs but the VIERA X1 series represent a line of 720p plasma HDTVs which help Panasonic deliver on its promise to satisfy consumer demands for differing HDTV resolution options. The X1 VIERA HDTVs offer stunning picture performance with a 600Hz Sub-field Drive that delivers razor-sharp motion focus, VIERA Image Viewer for sharing digital photos with friends and family, and VIERA Link control of all compatible A/V home entertainment components via a single remote. The X1 series also feature improved native contrast ratio of 30,000:1, an Infinite Black panel, and a Game Mode. The VIERA X1 plasmas are available in a 50-inch class (49.9” measured diagonally) and 42-inch class (41.6” measured diagonally).

When something is dying, manufacturers don't usually spend money on R&D, pay for very expensive liscenses from THX, or expand their features to more televisions within their respective lines. So we can all go back to our lives while more mouth than brains continues to make uniformed stupid predictions with no informational support whatsoever.

[Woochifer]

GEE, you outdone yourself this time, old fart.

Old fart? Check the calendar, I'm still younger than you ... or are you pretending again that it's 1998?

You managed an entire post WITHOUT one SINGLE fact!
AT ALL!!!.

Plenty of facts therein (e.g., plasma's growth rate, Panasonic's CES introductions, etc.). Not my fault that your cheapie Walmart drugs have rendered you incapable of distinguishing fact from fiction anymore. Like I said, keep it up with these oh-so-bold predictions -- plasma sales go through the roof everytime you declare it dead!

Tell ya what, you can paint that future paperweight of yours silver, use it as a mirrow to admire yourself.

Why? Because you've already done that to all the one-off TVs in your collection?

Funny that you've never posted any photos of yourself of any of these TVs you claim to own ... you hiding something, or just embarrassed?

[GMichael]

Funny that you've never posted any photos of yourself of any of these TVs you claim to own ... you hiding something, or just embarrassed?

Sorry Wooch, but I'll have to side with Pix here. He has posted a pic of himself. Did you miss this?

[Woochifer]

When something is dying, manufacturers don't usually spend money on R&D, pay for very expensive liscenses from THX, or expand their features to more televisions within their respective lines. So we can all go back to our lives while more mouth than brains continues to make uniformed stupid predictions with no informational support whatsoever.

Wow, that's actually a substantial expansion of Panny's plasma lineup with two brand new series as well as a new 54" size. It doesn't even include the 0.33" thick plasma model that they demoed at CES. Dead technologies aren't supposed to have improvements like 50% reduction in energy consumption and doubling of the maximum light output.

[Woochifer]

Sorry Wooch, but I'll have to side with Pix here. He has posted a pic of himself. Did you miss this?

Oy! Shoulda known better!

[pixelthis]

and YOU ARE A TAD...ER...
squirrley.

[pixelthis]

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs...72009012646554




When something is dying, manufacturers don't usually spend money on R&D, pay for very expensive liscenses from THX, or expand their features to more televisions within their respective lines. So we can all go back to our lives while more mouth than brains continues to make uniformed stupid predictions with no informational support whatsoever.

Actually they DO spend money on a losing cause, trying to reqoup their previous investment.
As usual your logic(if thats what you call it) is faulty.
You oughta love plasma sir talky! It uses phosper like your antique CRT'S.
In fact a plasma tube is just a squashed crt tube with plasma instead of vaccume.
Like the vaccum between your ears.
So Sony got smart and fired your butt, is that the reason for the panny press release
(blatant spam)

[pixelthis]

About another thing mentioned in your post...MOTION BLUR

FOR THE LAST TIME

THERE IS NO SUCH THING


EXCEPT INTERLACED TV

THE ONLY THING "BLURRY" around here is your reasoning process.

[GMichael]

About another thing mentioned in your post...MOTION BLUR

FOR THE LAST TIME

THERE IS NO SUCH THING


EXCEPT INTERLACED TV

THE ONLY THING "BLURRY" around here is your reasoning process.

Then why is it that even LCD manufactures advertise their 120's as "having less motion blur?"

[Rich-n-Texas]

That's called telling them what they want to hear GM. The yuppie marketing snots have their ears to the ignorance of John Q.

[Duds]

Once again he has no response to this. I bet i can guess what he will say though...."fire sale"

Christ, do I really need to do this?

bestbuy.com today

Panasonic 46" 1080p plasama - $999 (on sale)

Sony 46" 1080p lcd - $1,999 (on sale)

Who is subsidizing the panny plasma Dicksie?

[Woochifer]

Then why is it that even LCD manufactures advertise their 120's as "having less motion blur?"

Because they are all liars out to separate the masses from their hard earned money! Or at least that's what pixie will say until he actually runs out and buys a 120 Hz LCD TV. Only THEN does it become the greatest technology in the world because it "eliminated" the motion blur that never existed until pixie bought a 120 Hz LCD TV! (Reality check: only the sets with 120 Hz motion interpolation AND sequential LED backlighting [has to be a setup that does zone-specific local dimming] even come close to eliminating motion blur with LCD panels)

[Woochifer]

About another thing mentioned in your post...MOTION BLUR

FOR THE LAST TIME

THERE IS NO SUCH THING


EXCEPT INTERLACED TV

THE ONLY THING "BLURRY" around here is your reasoning process.

Motion blur doesn't exist if your picture quality standard is less than 400 lines (sub-SD resolution) on moving images ... and apparently it is with you. Those of us who prefer to see HD resolution with moving images will look at something other than low end 60 Hz CCFL LCDs.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Actually they DO spend money on a losing cause, trying to reqoup their previous investment.
As usual your logic(if thats what you call it) is faulty.
You oughta love plasma sir talky! It uses phosper like your antique CRT'S.
In fact a plasma tube is just a squashed crt tube with plasma instead of vaccume.
Like the vaccum between your ears.
So Sony got smart and fired your butt, is that the reason for the panny press release
(blatant spam)

Pixelstupid,
When will you get it through your thick brainless head that I do not work for any consumer electronics company. NONE OF THEM YOUR DENSENESS!! So give up all of your uniformed BS.

[pixelthis]

[QUOTE]

Old fart? Check the calendar, I'm still younger than you ... or are you pretending again that it's 1998?

You probably are, you are probably still in JR high

Plenty of facts therein (e.g., plasma's growth rate, Panasonic's CES introductions, etc.). Not my fault that your cheapie Walmart drugs have rendered you incapable of distinguishing fact from fiction anymore. Like I said, keep it up with these oh-so-bold predictions -- plasma sales go through the roof everytime you declare it dead!

It is dead
dead dead dead dead .
Kinda like you above the neck.


Why? Because you've already done that to all the one-off TVs in your collection?

Funny that you've never posted any photos of yourself of any of these TVs you claim to own ... you hiding something, or just embarrassed?

Why would I keep any of my old TV sets around?
My Vizio is mounted in the back room, my folks have my old 37" in their living room.
LOOK at the pot calling the kettle black, never seen pics of your goldstar special.
And the "WALMART DRUGS are for diabetes assclown.

[pixelthis]

Pixelstupid,
When will you get it through your thick brainless head that I do not work for any consumer electronics company. NONE OF THEM YOUR DENSENESS!! So give up all of your uniformed BS.

No you are more like their whore, postinf whatever they want you to.

[pixelthis]

Motion blur doesn't exist if your picture quality standard is less than 400 lines (sub-SD resolution) on moving images ... and apparently it is with you. Those of us who prefer to see HD resolution with moving images will look at something other than low end 60 Hz CCFL LCDs.

It doesnt exist AT ALL, it is totally MADE UP.
A TEST PATTERN is the only reconized way to measure resolution,
everything else is conjecture, kinda like those numbers you cook for the govt they have NO
basis in reality.
And 60hz is also the standard, as TV is 60 fps.
A 120HZ SET DOUBLES that frame rate, a 24p blue player puts out 72(24fps times 3)
in order to eliminate 3:2 pulldown.
If a set advertises anything higher its just a con, it wont give you any resolution increase,
its impossible to get any res increase in a video pic without an expensive scaler.
You do get an increase in PQ by deinterlacing a pic(480i to 480p, or 1080i to 1080p) but that is just because you are doing away with interlacing.
I have read claims from some plasma makers that their sets are "480" hz
HAD ME LAUGHING ROLLING ON THE FLOOR.
Even IF a set has this rediculously high refresh rate it would be of no practical value.
And as for "moving images" my set will have moving images long after your POS
has burnt out.

[pixelthis]

Because they are all liars out to separate the masses from their hard earned money! Or at least that's what pixie will say until he actually runs out and buys a 120 Hz LCD TV. Only THEN does it become the greatest technology in the world because it "eliminated" the motion blur that never existed until pixie bought a 120 Hz LCD TV! (Reality check: only the sets with 120 Hz motion interpolation AND sequential LED backlighting [has to be a setup that does zone-specific local dimming] even come close to eliminating motion blur with LCD panels)

The only "blur" around here is your personality.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY SO CALLED "MOTION BLUR".
OR BURN IN EITHER.
I am two for two, you are one for two.

[pixelthis]

Sorry Wooch, but I'll have to side with Pix here. He has posted a pic of himself. Did you miss this?

I picked that up off the web, and then politely declined the invitation from your old lady.

[pixelthis]

[QUOTE=Duds]Once again he has no response to this. I bet i can guess what he will say though...."fire sale"