Pioneer done making tv's

[JSE]

nothing the nimrods on this site say bother me a bit.
Its like a bunch of boobs with square wheels making fun of the guy with round ones.
Plasma is a fundamentally flawed tech, and the only question is can the industry
sell enough units to break even to enough idiots before word gets out.
Plasma will be nowhere to be found in five years except attics and yard sales.
TRUST ME ON THIS ONE

Yeah, but I am not the one who owns the Bose equivalent of a TV. LCD vs. Plasma aside, it's all about marketing to people who don't know any better.

Just go ahead and buy the Bose 123 system now and get it over with.

[Duds]

I've seen a Runco tv, and although very nice, I'd take a Pioneer elite over it any day of the week.

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Vizio was #1 for a lot longer than PIONEER, (how long was that ? OH, they never were)



IS that why they cant sell any?
ACTUALLY the real reason they cant sell any, and that is they have PLASMA
only, and there are only so many dumbasses in teh world who would buy plasma.






If "vollume" equals "greatness " then you ass would be the greatest thing on earth.
Companies like Runco have no problem selling high end.
Problem with Pioneer is they sold out to the mass market long ago with their plastic
toy receivers, no way they could convince anybody that they produce quality gear.





BUT by all means go ahead and buy a product from a company that cant even plan
a product cycle and produce and sell a product at a decent price point.
Speaks highly of them that they cant turn out a product at a decent price point.
AND who asked you anyway?

[Woochifer]

Vizio was #1 for a lot longer than PIONEER, (how long was that ? OH, they never were)

Only if you're more concerned about quantity than quality. Pioneers have been top rated for picture quality a helluva lot more frequently than Vizios.

IS that why they cant sell any?
ACTUALLY the real reason they cant sell any, and that is they have PLASMA
only, and there are only so many dumbasses in teh world who would buy plasma.

Actually, they already sell LCDs in Europe. Their market has always been niche focused because their price points are higher than the rest of the market.

If "vollume" equals "greatness " then you ass would be the greatest thing on earth.

Judging from the number of six-packs that you imbue, I doubt that my posterior print is larger than yours.

Companies like Runco have no problem selling high end.

And their sales volumes are a LOT lower than Pioneer's

Problem with Pioneer is they sold out to the mass market long ago with their plastic
toy receivers, no way they could convince anybody that they produce quality gear.

People who care about VIDEO quality are the consumers who buy the Pioneers, even though they often cost nearly double what other TVs with identical paper specs cost. They don't care about Pioneer's reputation with AUDIO equipment, since that's irrelevant to what Pioneer produces on the VIDEO side.

BUT by all means go ahead and buy a product from a company that cant even plan
a product cycle and produce and sell a product at a decent price point.
Speaks highly of them that they cant turn out a product at a decent price point.
AND who asked you anyway?

[pixelthis]

They were not out of context. Read the articles, I gave both sources. They are pretty short, so it shouldn't take too much time.

And, as far as my TV that died, are you contending that there is NO Vizio TV (LCD or Plasma) that had NEVER died?

And if Plasma is so bad, why is your beloved bottom feeder shilling both Plasma AND LCD?

There really isn't much more to say. Vizio "belives" in Plasma. They make Plasma. They see Plasma as a key to their business model. So it must just be you.

Thats why they just quit MAKING PLASMA.
EVERYBODY makes misteps from time to time, glad they caught theirs.

[pixelthis]

Yeah, but I am not the one who owns the Bose equivalent of a TV. LCD vs. Plasma aside, it's all about marketing to people who don't know any better.

Like the insane marketing going on , trying to get pinheads to buy plasmas based on snob appeal.

Just go ahead and buy the Bose 123 system now and get it over with.

Just go ahead and marry your cousin and get it over with.

[pixelthis]

Only if you're more concerned about quantity than quality. Pioneers have been top rated for picture quality a helluva lot more frequently than Vizios.

Which means nothing if you're outta business.
I can make a super high q set that will beat anything,
but who will buy it for a few million bucks?







And their sales volumes are a LOT lower than Pioneer's

NOT ANY MORE, as PIONEERS IS ZERO

Runco can market a big ticket item, Pioneer cant, cheap plastic receivers they excel at, however.

People who care about VIDEO quality are the consumers who buy the Pioneers, even though they often cost nearly double what other TVs with identical paper specs cost.

Yeah, go ahead and pay double for an identical set, and they wonder why they cant sell TV sets, guess there are only so many idiots in the world

They don't care about Pioneer's reputation with AUDIO equipment, since that's irrelevant to what Pioneer produces on the VIDEO side.

Finally got something right.
But then again everything is irrelevant to pioneers video displays, since they dont make em any more.


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[Woochifer]

Which means nothing if you're outta business.
I can make a super high q set that will beat anything,
but who will buy it for a few million bucks?

Yuh right. Your definition of quality is entirely contingent on price and you don't even calibrate your TVs, so what would you know about "super high q"?

And their sales volumes are a LOT lower than Pioneer's

NOT ANY MORE, as PIONEERS IS ZERO

You must have flunked grammar when they covered tense. Pioneer's sales ARE not zero, given that they haven't officially exited the TV business yet. Try shopping at a store other than Walmart sometime. Pioneers are still in stock at Best Buy and other stores.

Runco can market a big ticket item, Pioneer cant, cheap plastic receivers they excel at, however.

And Runco doesn't make their own panels either.

Yeah, go ahead and pay double for an identical set, and they wonder why they cant sell TV sets, guess there are only so many idiots in the world

They're only identical to you because you use a 20-year old battery powered 5" LCD TV as your benchmark for picture quality.

[pixelthis]

Yuh right. Your definition of quality is entirely contingent on price and you don't even calibrate your TVs, so what would you know about "super high q"?

A LOT MORE than you apparently.
A 2000p set is perfectly feasible, so why cant you buy one?
Price is always a consideration unless you're a plutocrat.
I would like to have a 50" LCD with a variable LED backlight, but at four grand it aint gonna happen.
THERE WAS A LINK I POSTED about a blog on CNET, there were a hundred replies.
Almost all said that the slight PQ increase of the Pioneer sets werent worth the money.
If you think money is no object, and engineer your product accordingly, the real world will
educate you in a hurry

You must have flunked grammar when they covered tense. Pioneer's sales ARE not zero, given that they haven't officially exited the TV business yet. Try shopping at a store other than Walmart sometime. Pioneers are still in stock at Best Buy and other stores.

SELLING at closeout prices!!!
Wont be beating anybody in sales either

And Runco doesn't make their own panels either.

A lot of people dont, whats your point?
Do you know how wastefull it would be if everybody made everything that goes into their product?
A 2500 buck LINN CD PLAYER has a Sony drive, so whats your point(except the one at the top of your head)?

They're only identical to you because you use a 20-year old battery powered 5" LCD TV as your benchmark for picture quality.

Keep repeating that nonsense, you look sillier every time you do.

[Woochifer]

A LOT MORE than you apparently.
A 2000p set is perfectly feasible, so why cant you buy one?
Price is always a consideration unless you're a plutocrat.
I would like to have a 50" LCD with a variable LED backlight, but at four grand it aint gonna happen.

In other words, you were lying when you claimed that YOU could design one.

THERE WAS A LINK I POSTED about a blog on CNET, there were a hundred replies.
Almost all said that the slight PQ increase of the Pioneer sets werent worth the money.

Obviously, more people like you who spend too much time at Walmart.

If you think money is no object, and engineer your product accordingly, the real world will
educate you in a hurry

And for the people who want the best TV that they can buy at any price, the Pioneers are the way to go, since they are still readily available.

SELLING at closeout prices!!!
Wont be beating anybody in sales either

What closeout? They haven't even been officially discontinued yet.

A lot of people dont, whats your point?
Do you know how wastefull it would be if everybody made everything that goes into their product?

And the point is that Runco sets sell for a LOT more than Pioneer, and at a much lower volume. Yet, you cite them as some success story. The thing about Runco is that they primarily make front projector systems anyway, which don't need the huge facility investment that flat panel manufacturing requires.

A 2500 buck LINN CD PLAYER has a Sony drive, so whats your point(except the one at the top of your head)?

And the process for manufacturing a flat panel is far more labor intensive than for a CD drive. The technology that goes into the Linn is primarily with the processing circuitry and the overengineering on the chassis.

Keep repeating that nonsense, you look sillier every time you do.

It's silly only because it's true. I don't know anyone else who idolizes the purported picture quality of a 5" battery powered LCD the way that you do!

[pixelthis]

In other words, you were lying when you claimed that YOU could design one.



Obviously, more people like you who spend too much time at Walmart.



And for the people who want the best TV that they can buy at any price, the Pioneers are the way to go, since they are still readily available.


What closeout? They haven't even been officially discontinued yet.



And the point is that Runco sets sell for a LOT more than Pioneer, and at a much lower volume. Yet, you cite them as some success story. The thing about Runco is that they primarily make front projector systems anyway, which don't need the huge facility investment that flat panel manufacturing requires.



And the process for manufacturing a flat panel is far more labor intensive than for a CD drive. The technology that goes into the Linn is primarily with the processing circuitry and the overengineering on the chassis.



It's silly only because it's true. I don't know anyone else who idolizes the purported picture quality of a 5" battery powered LCD the way that you do!

ABSOLUTELY AMAZING, an entire post with nothing but insults, lies and propaganda,
absolutely NOTHING worth responding to.
Want to know the difference between a plasma fanboy and those who buy LCD?
You will STILL be able to buy an LCD in five years

[Woochifer]

ABSOLUTELY AMAZING, an entire post with nothing but insults, lies and propaganda,
absolutely NOTHING worth responding to.

In other words, you were LYING when you claimed that you could "make a super high q set that will beat anything"! Another one of your typical copout posts.

Want to know the difference between a plasma fanboy and those who buy LCD?
You will STILL be able to buy an LCD in five years

In five years, LCD will be headed to the off-brand scrap heap when newer screen techs, like OLED, that don't have LCD's PQ drawbacks begin to come down to more affordable price levels. Might as well just declare LCD DEAD right now.