New Harris Poll bashes Blu ray!

[pixelthis]

Yeah Pixie, the players price was so reasonable that the company lost nearly one billion dollars in supporting it. Eventually the format lost the war. Great business plan

IT was, in fact it had me thinking about buying a HD.
Two things pushed me away, the lousey track record I had with tosh products, and the fact that everybody on the PLANET had already chosen Blu.
If the "format war" had even been close I MIGHT HAVE VERY WELL GONE hd

I just love how pixie devalues BR into nothing more than a fancy DVD player with new software. How does one know this if they don't own one? Here is a person who is an expert on everything he never owned. Jeeze, I'll take his word for it

I never owned a front projector but studied them for years.
AND THE people who work on jet airplanes usually dont have a 767 parked in the garage.
DVD players are CD players with a shorter wavelenght laser and a different feature set.
Blu has lasers with an even shorter wavelenght, which was quite an acomplishment.
But the mechanism that blu uses isnt that much different from a DVD player.
Couldnt be, beCAUSE it plays DVDs.
You think people havent figured this out?

He says nobody is willing to pay $400 for a toy. Well, they are selling quite well, can't keep any in stock anywhere. Panasonics new player(priced at $599) has already sold out their first shipment. So if nobody is buying them, and they are being shipped, were are they going? Are the little mice from Ratatouille taking them?

Sell a caddy for a million bucks and someone is going to be nuts enough to buy one.
So its raining but can the rain support the crops.
BLU is selling sure, but are they selling enough?

When Pixie says an image is fantastic from VOD, know that it probably looks like trash. Anyone who does not calibrate their display, and watches movies in bright light has no idea what a good picture is.

I watch a movie in dim light, usually, but its nice to have the option of not having to do so, a option your obsolete system doesnt give you.
And a set that isnt as finicky as a CRT dinosaur doesnt require that much calibration,
YOU ARE LIKE THE GUY WITH A carburetor who doesnt understand why a guy with fuel injection can go so long without a tune up.
AND what does this have tro do with blu ray?

How does a person with a uncalibrated television, and who has never own a single BR disc, a single BR player make a determination on the quality of the format? Sure, he knows everything, I'll take his word for it. Riiiight

THANK YOU.
A blu player is very good, in fact I will buy one sometime(maybe)
But only because I like to collect movies.
If I just watched, VOD would be fine.
What the BDA and teh clueless types who populate it dont seem to GET
is that the paradigm has changed.
This isnt the age of videotape, where VHS "won" and beta was vanquished.
A hard copy disc format is for one market...COLLECTORS.
And while BLU HAS a small window to become established , its a very small window

I do not think ANYONE in the bluray camp is worried about a pixietightwad not buying a player. I am sure the format will go on just fine if he doesn't.

Undoubtedly, but the point is that in spite of what you say I am a quality FREAK,
and have the closet full of laserdiscs to prove it.
and the fact that I am in NO hurry to run out and grab a blu ray player might not concern you but it does concern those who know me, because they think that if I am in no hurry, why should they be?
One would be nice, but instead I am going to buy discs, and that way I will have a rather large collection when players become reasonably priced.
I have been a pioneer plenty of times on new formats (S-VHS, VHS-HIFI, LASERDISC, ETC) and have the arrows in my back to prove it.
No arrows this time

I am really glad the BDA ISN'T listening to pixiea$$. If they did, the market for bluray players and disc would have been like the market for HD DVD. Decimated!

NO, they are listening to nattering know-nothings such as yourself, who are encourgaging
them to go with Apples business model, which conseded the world to the much more inferiour windows based PC.
And delivered the videotape market to VHS in spite of BETAS obvious superiority.
So it looks like Sony is going to repeat the same monumental mistake in a thirty
five year span.
Botique players when most want a basic movie machine.
players are nothing you give those away, you will make a few bucks on teh first ones but eventually economies of scale will drive profit margins razor thin.
SOFTWARE is where the real money is, you need players in peoples hands to sell it tho.
And at 400 bucks in a recession that is really a depression you arent gonna put that many out there

[ldgibson76]

I just read the June issue of "Home Theater Magazine"-'Hook me up column: "In Memoriam: HD DVD by Joshua Zyber.
The article lamely explains the how and why's of the demise of HD DVD. It's certainly a watered-down explanation of why HD DVD lost the war!

That being said, I must admit that you were WAY ahead of the curve. I know this is old news, but I believe that I need to acknowledged this. That way, I can continue to be a "troublemaker" with a little credibility!

You get your "Due Res-spect Mon!"

Regards.

BTW, you have to admit that "Pixel" is funny at times! The 'airplane mechanic/767 in the garage' comeback was hilarious. Relevant analogy?! Debatable.

[pixelthis]

[QUOTE=ldgibson76]I just read the June issue of "Home Theater Magazine"-'Hook me up column: "In Memoriam: HD DVD by Joshua Zyber.
The article lamely explains the how and why's of the demise of HD DVD. It's certainly a watered-down explanation of why HD DVD lost the war!

That being said, I must admit that you were WAY ahead of the curve. I know this is old news, but I believe that I need to acknowledged this. That way, I can continue to be a "troublemaker" with a little credibility!

HE was "ahead of the curve"?
What about MY prediction that blu would win the format war, and not only that I predicted the time frame.
This guys head is already huge, dont give credit where its not due

You get your "Due Res-spect Mon!"

YOU CAN GIVE HIM "RESPECT", I never will
Regards.

BTW, you have to admit that "Pixel" is funny at times! The 'airplane mechanic/767 in the garage' comeback was hilarious. Relevant analogy?! Debatable.

Actually its a perfect analogy.
Sir talky has said repeatedly that I know "nothing" about front projection CRT because I NEVER OWNED ONE.
Which is rediculous. Can you imagine a world where you wouldnt be an expert without owning the object you're "expert" in?
The 767 quip was just pointing out the idiodicy of a common sir talky statement, that in order to be knowledgable in a certain piece of gear, you have to OWN it.
Well, I dont own a bluray either, but I dont need to own one to know that it uses a blue laser, a standard CD disc tray like every other format over the last two and a half decades,
ETC.
AS for CRT I am currently "forgetting" everything I can about this obsolete format in order to make way for new stuff.
Like Winston in 1984 I am stuffing details of this horse and buggy contraption down the memory hole as fast as possible.
LIKE how it takes a pro to sit one up after its in place, how you sometimes have to
"twin" a pair in order to get decent light output, their finicky nature, their expense,
their relatively short lifespan, etc, etc,etc...

[ldgibson76]

"Pixey"

Wave your "I'm the Man Flag" You've earned it! Yes, you too deserve props for the timely prediction of Blu ray's victory and HD DVD's demise. And I do agree with you to a certain extent regarding ownership of a product equating to having expert knowledge of that product. Plenty of people own a RPTV's, but how many can explain design concepts, specifications, or functionality?! And, on the opposite side of the argument, not every Mercedes Benz mechanic owns a Mercedes, but they can most likely explain every nuance of the car! So the analogy can be considered somewhat relevant.

You have my apologies for not acknowledging your foresight and unique perspective on various topics

I do like the fact that you keep "Sir T" on his toes! Keeps him sharp!

Regards.

[ldgibson76]

In the latest edition of Sound and Vision Magazine, "Ken C. Pohlmann", in the "Reality Bites" column, writes an article titled, "To the Victor Go the Spoils?" Pg. 26.

Basically giving his spin on Blu ray's winning of the battle, but now entering the WAR. A war that it could easily lose. In his words, "Soon, Blu ray might feel nostalgic for the days when it's only nemesis was its evil hi-def twin."
He believes, along with more and more industry pundits, that Downloading content in Hi-Def is the way of the future. And it ain't as far away as some have vehemently suggested! I'm not name dropping....."T"

Anyway, it was an interesting, if not thought provoking perspective, being that that has often been a topic of heated discussion on this website! Yo "Pixey"! Someone actually shares your outlook on the world! Go figure! Wave that flag Buddy!

Cheers.
Oh boy, I know I'm gonna get it now!

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

In the latest edition of Sound and Vision Magazine, "Ken C. Pohlmann", in the "Reality Bites" column, writes an article titled, "To the Victor Go the Spoils?" Pg. 26.

Basically giving his spin on Blu ray's winning of the battle, but now entering the WAR. A war that it could easily lose. In his words, "Soon, Blu ray might feel nostalgic for the days when it's only nemesis was its evil hi-def twin."
He believes, along with more and more industry pundits, that Downloading content in Hi-Def is the way of the future. And it ain't as far away as some have vehemently suggested! I'm not name dropping....."T"

Anyway, it was an interesting, if not thought provoking perspective, being that that has often been a topic of heated discussion on this website! Yo "Pixey"! Someone actually shares your outlook on the world! Go figure! Wave that flag Buddy!

Cheers.
Oh boy, I know I'm gonna get it now!

Your not in trouble at all. Ken Pohlmann has made alot of predictions. I remember he once said the DVD-A was going to kick the CD to the curb. We all know how that turned out

Alot of people say what Ken is saying. There are several problems with his prediction. The infrastructure isn't there, the quality isn't there, the interest isn't there, it ain't doing well now(bluray passed downloading last year in overall business), nobody but Apple and the studios are making anything with it(and downloading doesn't make the studios much revenue at all), the studios do not have a viable business model, cannot make the revenue they can off of disc based media and have watched the market lose money last year, and lastly and most important, the studio DO NOT WANT DOWNLOADING FOR SELL THROUGH AT THIS POINT. They will support media rental through downloading, but they do not want downloading to effect disc sales at this point, so they are not support it with much enthusiasm. Every analyst who knows the film and video industry well(and that does not include a certain journalist working for sound and vision) says that downloading en mass is still at least a decade away, and some say closer to fifteen years away. Bluray has plenty of time to establish itself by then, so I do not see downloading as a threat to bluray anytime soon.

Digital sell through is a disaster up to this point. Four companies have folded up their downloading sell through services because they lost money. If downloading is going to be a success, they are going to have to get people like myself in their camp. They are a looooong way from that at this point. Digital sell through will not happen until there is a viable business model that makes the studios as much money as the disc makes. Until that happens, I do not care what a journalist from Sound and Vision says, it is not going to happen.

[pixelthis]

In the latest edition of Sound and Vision Magazine, "Ken C. Pohlmann", in the "Reality Bites" column, writes an article titled, "To the Victor Go the Spoils?" Pg. 26.

Basically giving his spin on Blu ray's winning of the battle, but now entering the WAR. A war that it could easily lose. In his words, "Soon, Blu ray might feel nostalgic for the days when it's only nemesis was its evil hi-def twin."
He believes, along with more and more industry pundits, that Downloading content in Hi-Def is the way of the future. And it ain't as far away as some have vehemently suggested! I'm not name dropping....."T"

Anyway, it was an interesting, if not thought provoking perspective, being that that has often been a topic of heated discussion on this website! Yo "Pixey"! Someone actually shares your outlook on the world! Go figure! Wave that flag Buddy!

Cheers.
Oh boy, I know I'm gonna get it now!

ken Pohlmann has been saying this for years, I read an interesting op-ed piece in his rag
quite some time ago.
You couldnt say he shares MY views, MORE like that I share HIS.
He is a learned and intelligent man, but these ideas arent just his, they are pretty much
what most in the industry think.
Verizon is completing A SECTION OF THEIR NET WITH "FIBER TO THE HOUSE",
which will be like a vette to the rest of the means of access firebird.
FAST, VERY FAST.
But you wont need this extra speed to even download HD, you can do that now with
DSL/CABLE.
And VOD OFF OF CABLE IS WAY AHEAD OF THE NET.
Which is basically what I have been saying, Blu is mainly going to be a collectors medium,
eventually, the question is will it gain some mainstream status before becoming the "laserdisc of the future", or will most go straight from DVD to downloading?
Blu needs to "buy" marketshare instead of trying in vain to sell players at exorbiant prices
(doesnt matter what it costs to make em, but what people will pay) they should be
getting these out there.
I saw Pannys new Blu, "final version"(these "versions" dont help either) for 499$.
Anybody been in a circuit or bestbuy lately? Business is kinda "slow" not to put too fine a point on it.
Pohlman's words resonated when I FIRST READ THEM, AND THE STILL RING TRUE TODAY.
And the BDA can ignore them at their own risk.
Which they probably will.
THE Car AND portable CD player are disapearing, some are in cars but how many use them?
SAME THING THAT HAPPENED TO AUDIO ON DISC WILL HAPPEN TO VIDEO ON DISC , just like the videocassette player followed the audiocassette, so will VOD
follow MOD(music on demand)

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

HE was "ahead of the curve"?
What about MY prediction that blu would win the format war, and not only that I predicted the time frame.
This guys head is already huge, dont give credit where its not due

Once again, trying to take credit when you don't deserve it. And you say my head is huge. Just saying YOU THINK bluray was going to win does not get you brownie points old fart. Alot of people said that. It when you say it, and have evidence and information that it was so that gets you credit. Credit for a guess, I think not

YOU CAN GIVE HIM "RESPECT", I never will
Regards.

Oh, I think I am going to lose some sleep tonight, and forever. I do not want a bottom feeding dumpster diver to give me anything.

Actually its a perfect analogy.
Sir talky has said repeatedly that I know "nothing" about front projection CRT because I NEVER OWNED ONE.
Which is rediculous. Can you imagine a world where you wouldnt be an expert without owning the object you're "expert" in?

Right pixie. I just read about how they remove tonsils and now I am ready for surgery! Opps I have never done tonsil removal, I just read about it, Oh I am an expert, I read about it!

The 767 quip was just pointing out the idiodicy of a common sir talky statement, that in order to be knowledgable in a certain piece of gear, you have to OWN it.
Well, I dont own a bluray either, but I dont need to own one to know that it uses a blue laser, a standard CD disc tray like every other format over the last two and a half decades,
ETC.

You have just sent the idiot factor off the charts with this one. So you know a bluray player uses a blue laser, and has a standard disc tray. Ooooooo, expert stuff.

Two people here who actually own a CRT front projection system have disputed your stupid claims. We both own the stuff that you talk about. You make really stupid claims about their light levels, and you have no clue because you have never seen their light levels, or what properly calibrated light level should be. You make a claim that CRT are all but gone, but I do not hear of any glut of CRT based televsion filling up dumps or recycling centers, 50 years worth of sales at that. All of your comments on CRT based front projection systems are just way off base, and that is because you have ZERO experience with them. ZERO! So to claim that you are some sort of expert on them is pretty absurd.

A person who is an expert on 767 doesn't have to own the plane, he works on them on a daily basis. He or she doesn't have to own it, but their personal experience working with them on a daily basis gives them that expert status. Its called familarity, experience and exposure. You have NONE of these with CRT projection systems, so what you have to say regarding them is for lack of experience, familarity and exposure, another two words would be utter ignorance.

AS for CRT I am currently "forgetting" everything I can about this obsolete format in order to make way for new stuff.
Like Winston in 1984 I am stuffing details of this horse and buggy contraption down the memory hole as fast as possible.
LIKE how it takes a pro to sit one up after its in place, how you sometimes have to
"twin" a pair in order to get decent light output, their finicky nature, their expense,
their relatively short lifespan, etc, etc,etc...

More of your senseless uneductated bull$hit. Your house must really smell. The purge probably isn't going to take long, you do not know all that much in the first place.

[pixelthis]

Once again, trying to take credit when you don't deserve it. And you say my head is huge. Just saying YOU THINK bluray was going to win does not get you brownie points old fart. Alot of people said that. It when you say it, and have evidence and information that it was so that gets you credit. Credit for a guess, I think not

The facts are the facts, I dont need "credit" I have money in the bank on this one

Oh, I think I am going to lose some sleep tonight, and forever. I do not want a bottom feeding dumpster diver to give me anything.

You have nothing to worry about

Right pixie. I just read about how they remove tonsils and now I am ready for surgery! Opps I have never done tonsil removal, I just read about it, Oh I am an expert, I read about it!

THE ONLY THING YOU'RE "EXPERT" ON IS RUNNING YOUR MOUTH

Two people here who actually own a CRT front projection system have disputed your stupid claims. We both own the stuff that you talk about. You make really stupid claims about their light levels, and you have no clue because you have never seen their light levels, or what properly calibrated light level should be. You make a claim that CRT are all but gone, but I do not hear of any glut of CRT based televsion filling up dumps or recycling centers, 50 years worth of sales at that. All of your comments on CRT based front projection systems are just way off base, and that is because you have ZERO experience with them. ZERO! So to claim that you are some sort of expert on them is pretty absurd.

I WORKED in a place for a decade that had panny front projectors in all of their conference rooms and spent quite a few hours watching them, and helping set them up sometime.
THEY WERE LOUD, TOOK UP QUITE A BIT OF SPACE, and you had to watch them in a dark room, which the employees loved because they could nap.
AS SOON as possible they were all replaced by DLP projectors.
Too bad you werent there, you could have went "dumpster diving" for parts.
YOU call me a "dumpster diver" and you're the one scrounging around for parts for your obsolete crap.

A person who is an expert on 767 doesn't have to own the plane, he works on them on a daily basis. He or she doesn't have to own it, but their personal experience working with them on a daily basis gives them that expert status. Its called familarity, experience and exposure. You have NONE of these with CRT projection systems, so what you have to say regarding them is for lack of experience, familarity and exposure, another two words would be utter ignorance.

I can take a set apart and put it back together, on my panny 47 I had to go in and disconnect the scan velocity modulation, which was on the yoke for some reason, had to unhook it from each yoke.
THERE IS NOTHING MYSTICAL ABOUT FRONT PROJECTION CRT , it works on the same basic premise as other CRT based display systems, just because I have rented most of my life, and never had a place to put one doesnt mean I am not familiar.
I followed CRT front projection with some interest, but it always seemed a bit too expensive and troublesome for me.
Doesnt mean I dont know anything about them, whats to know?

More of your senseless uneductated bull$hit. Your house must really smell. The purge probably isn't going to take long, you do not know all that much in the first place.

Still more than you

[filecat13]

NPD info as spun by analysts.

http://www.technewsworld.com/story/I...-It-63156.html

[ldgibson76]

NPD info as spun by analysts.

http://www.technewsworld.com/story/I...-It-63156.html

And this is by the "NPD"? Are you checkin' this out "Sir T"?!!!!

Peace!