Blu-ray Price Dropping.

[Rich-n-Texas]

Ya know, it IS a lot easier on my fingers and brain to type Sir Talky than his full moniker.

[Woochifer]

Old stupid one. How in the hell does Samsung afford to make a player if they just give them away? They do not make software, and this is not the gaming industry. If you give the damn player away, then they'll be no players to play the software in. The same companines that make the software do not make the hardware, and visa versa. What kind of burntpixel comment is that? You must have been the idiot in charge of marketing HD DVD. Give your players away, and exit the market with half a billion in losses. Thats the old pixeless way.

Hmmm, hardware manufacturers trying to make a profit by manufacturing hardware, you don't say! The concept of profitably operating a core business makes sense to me, but for whatever reason it seems to elude pixelhead. Then again, he's still convinced that $300 Macs exist, regardless of the fact that the parts alone would run well over $300. I guess in his so-called libertarian view, hardware makers exist solely to lose money and subsidize the media companies -- smart!

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Ya know, it IS a lot easier on my fingers and brain to type Sir Talky than his full moniker.

(Goes after Rich and Kex with a thirty day old bean burrito), Rich, Kex, I am going to beat the gas into both of you!!

[GMichael]

(GM steps into the room) (Kex and Tex are bent over a table and Sir T is sticking a couple of burritos up their, their... uh, let's just say, where the sun never shines)
WTF is going on here? And why is Tex smiling? NEVER MIND! I don't need to know.
(GM leaves mumbling something about Blu-Ray, HD and how some things are better off in std def.)

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

(GM steps into the room) (Kex and Tex are bent over a table and Sir T is sticking a couple of burritos up their, their... uh, let's just say, where the sun never shines)
WTF is going on here? And why is Tex smiling? NEVER MIND! I don't need to know.
(GM leaves mumbling something about Blu-Ray, HD and how some things are better off in std def.)

LOLOLOL.....

[Rich-n-Texas]

(Goes after Rich and Kex with a thirty day old bean burrito), Rich, Kex, I am going to beat the gas into both of you!!

Now THAT'S just nasty!

Uhhh... guys. Can we please try to stay on topic?

[E-Stat]

Hmmm, hardware manufacturers trying to make a profit by manufacturing hardware, you don't say! The concept of profitably operating a core business makes sense to me...

Absolutely. I don't get the "they're for giveaway" concept at all. I'm not envisioning $39.95 BR players any time soon, but I anticipate a certain price drop now that the market is stabilizing and the volume of production will likely increase. I think there are many others like myself who were fence sitters waiting for the victor to emerge.

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[pixelthis]

There you go making sense again, Sir Talky...

YOU would think this prattling "makes sense", you think it takes less energy to produce higher frequencies than low ones.
THINK ABOUT IT FOR A MINUTE , HOW MUCH DO YOU SPEND ON SOFTWARE
VS PLAYERS?
I have about 600 bucks in TWO dvd players.
And about three GRAND in my rather modest DVD collection.
Sony didnt buy into motion pictures and music for no reason.
Sir talky got it wrong, backwards, as usual, no wonder you agree with him.
Birds of a feather flock together, and in this case its a couple of cookoos

[pixelthis]

Ya know, it IS a lot easier on my fingers and brain to type Sir Talky than his full moniker.

Thats why I nicknamed him that, certainly fits better.
THE ONLY THING "terrible" about him is his total ignorance on all things HT.
And his "inside" info? His "buddy" over at new line told him about warner buying out
new line.
Of course it was on the front page of USA TODAY's business section the same day...

[pixelthis]

(Goes after Rich and Kex with a thirty day old bean burrito), Rich, Kex, I am going to beat the gas into both of you!!

YOU HAVE PLENTY TO SPARE, thats for sure

[kexodusc]

YOU would think this prattling "makes sense", you think it takes less energy to produce higher frequencies than low ones.

Wrong again. I said in a speaker, woofers (low frequencies) generally require more power than tweeters (high frequencies) to achieve a given sound pressure level. Go back and read the thread, junior.I'm disappointed you still haven't learned.

[E-Stat]

Sir talky got it wrong, backwards, as usual, no wonder you agree with him.

So do I.

Mr. Pixel, as marketing director for our Blue Ray product here at [fill in the blank: Sharp,Denon,LG, Panasonic, Pioneer, Samsung], please explain the business case behind your "aggressive" pricing model to the board. The shareholders meeting is next week and we need to have a good answer as to why you believe we should not participate in any revenue recognition with this important new product.

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[GMichael]

So do I.

Mr. Pixel, as marketing director for our Blue Ray product here at [fill in the blank: Sharp,Denon,LG, Panasonic, Pioneer, Samsung], please explain the business case behind your "aggressive" pricing model to the board. The shareholders meeting is next week and we need to have a good answer as to why you believe we should not participate in any revenue recognition with this important new product.

rw

(In my best Pixie voice)

Because we'll make it up in volume.
Someday you people will learn to listen to me, and then you'll know that I told you so.
But I doubt that anyone on this forum is smart enough to learn anything.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

YOU would think this prattling "makes sense", you think it takes less energy to produce higher frequencies than low ones.
THINK ABOUT IT FOR A MINUTE , HOW MUCH DO YOU SPEND ON SOFTWARE
VS PLAYERS?
I have about 600 bucks in TWO dvd players.
And about three GRAND in my rather modest DVD collection.
Sony didnt buy into motion pictures and music for no reason.
Sir talky got it wrong, backwards, as usual, no wonder you agree with him.
Birds of a feather flock together, and in this case its a couple of cookoos

You are too stupid to be believed, are you for real?? I cannot believe you are 50 y/o and as dumb as a used sock. How is a manufacturer supposed to make money to keep manufacturing if they are giving product away? Just think about it stupid(or maybe that is the problem). Samsung, Panasonic, and Pioneer are not in the movie making business, how do they keep afloat with no ROI?

I really wish you would just go away. You are so retarded I am afraid all of will be infected by just reading your stupid insipid posts. If birds of a feather flock together then your household IQ must be -271

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Thats why I nicknamed him that, certainly fits better.
THE ONLY THING "terrible" about him is his total ignorance on all things HT.
And his "inside" info? His "buddy" over at new line told him about warner buying out
new line.
Of course it was on the front page of USA TODAY's business section the same day...

When I made that announcement the details had not even been finalized let alone in the USA today. That was the following day stupid. Besides, I did not know you could read, what did you do look at the pictures and figure out the story from there?

[pixelthis]

(In my best Pixie voice)

Because we'll make it up in volume.
Someday you people will learn to listen to me, and then you'll know that I told you so.
But I doubt that anyone on this forum is smart enough to learn anything.

THE only THING YOU HAVE IN "VOLLUME IS YOUR rather extensive ASS

[pixelthis]

So do I.

Mr. Pixel, as marketing director for our Blue Ray product here at [fill in the blank: Sharp,Denon,LG, Panasonic, Pioneer, Samsung], please explain the business case behind your "aggressive" pricing model to the board. The shareholders meeting is next week and we need to have a good answer as to why you believe we should not participate in any revenue recognition with this important new product.

rw

don't worry about it. because if you are THIS ignorant of basic business practices
you're gonna be thrown out on your keister by said shareholders.

Sure you should make some money off of your "important" new product
(which isn't going to be quite as "important" as gas and food in the coming depression)

And you better hurry, because you will only make it at the start of the business cycle.
My first VCR was 850 bucks in 81 dollars (close to three grand in todays funny money)
MY last one, a SVHS HI-FI , cost fifty bucks.
THE history of your "important" (kinda full of yourself arent ya?) product will be as follows.
A few years of making maybe 10 % off of mainstream players, then a few decades of making 1 to 5 %.
SEARS MADE A TON of money off of a new product, the wristwatch, because few had one. Then everybody had one and the price dropped.
Now most on this board are concerned with more higher line players, and theres more
profit in those, but the price will always be pulled down by what the great unwashed are buying.
SOFTWARE is an entirely different kettle of fish.
At the end of the eighties I HAD over a thousand CD'S , at least 16 grands' worth.
I now have over 300 DVD's, at ten bucks apiece (which is rediculously low) they are worth three grand.
IN OTHER WORDS THE MONEYS IN THE SOFTWARE.
So the name of the game is to get as many players out there in order to give the masses something to play their discs on.
you'll make some money on players at first , and good for you, but eventually they will become commodity products , like other mass produced items.
You may think your new product is "important" but like kex's woofer it cant defy they laws of nature, or in this case, economics.
Your "important" new product will replace DVD, means that in a few years the players will be under a hundred bucks, and the discs around 20 bucks
SO TELL YOUR "SHAREHOLDERS" TO GET INTO SOFTWARE.
Thats where the REAL money is

[pixelthis]

Wrong again. I said in a speaker, woofers (low frequencies) generally require more power than tweeters (high frequencies) to achieve a given sound pressure level. Go back and read the thread, junior.I'm disappointed you still haven't learned.

Its wrong so why "learn" it?
I have a new pair of Axioms (new to me) and the woofers work at lower vollume levels just
fine, but the tweeters ( four of the suckers) dont even kick in until I crank it.
THEY REQUIRE A lot MORE JUICE .
But why am I wasting my time explaining jet engines to a shadetree mechanic

[kexodusc]

Its wrong so why "learn" it?
I have a new pair of Axioms (new to me) and the woofers work at lower vollume levels just
fine, but the tweeters ( four of the suckers) dont even kick in until I crank it.
THEY REQUIRE A lot MORE JUICE .
But why am I wasting my time explaining jet engines to a shadetree mechanic

The tweeters don't kick in unless cranked? Something's broken then. LOL.
You'll say anything just to desperately maintain the appearance of being right, won't you.

What's the sensitivity of the drivers in question? What crossover componenets are being used? What is the value of the resistors on the tweeter's L-Pad? (you know those things that are actually choking off the current to the tweeter to lower it's output to match the woofer...ooops, there I go schooling you again). When is it time for you medicine?

I don't expect you to answer those directly, because that would make my point. Instead you'll martyr yourself to arrogance and rhetoric and stay awake till the wee hours of the morning thinking of something clever to say.

Stay off the ovaltine though.

[GMichael]

THE only THING YOU HAVE IN "VOLLUME IS YOUR rather extensive ASS

Work on your aim there buddy. I'm one of those guys with almost no butt at all. But I do have plenty of "plenty-O" in other areas.

Keep shooting though. You make me laugh what little butt I do have off.

[GMichael]

don't worry about it. because if you are THIS ignorant of basic business practices
you're gonna be thrown out on your keister by said shareholders.

Sure you should make some money off of your "important" new product
(which isn't going to be quite as "important" as gas and food in the coming depression)

And you better hurry, because you will only make it at the start of the business cycle.
My first VCR was 850 bucks in 81 dollars (close to three grand in todays funny money)
MY last one, a SVHS HI-FI , cost fifty bucks.
THE history of your "important" (kinda full of yourself arent ya?) product will be as follows.
A few years of making maybe 10 % off of mainstream players, then a few decades of making 1 to 5 %.
SEARS MADE A TON of money off of a new product, the wristwatch, because few had one. Then everybody had one and the price dropped.
Now most on this board are concerned with more higher line players, and theres more
profit in those, but the price will always be pulled down by what the great unwashed are buying.
SOFTWARE is an entirely different kettle of fish.
At the end of the eighties I HAD over a thousand CD'S , at least 16 grands' worth.
I now have over 300 DVD's, at ten bucks apiece (which is rediculously low) they are worth three grand.
IN OTHER WORDS THE MONEYS IN THE SOFTWARE.
So the name of the game is to get as many players out there in order to give the masses something to play their discs on.
you'll make some money on players at first , and good for you, but eventually they will become commodity products , like other mass produced items.
You may think your new product is "important" but like kex's woofer it cant defy they laws of nature, or in this case, economics.
Your "important" new product will replace DVD, means that in a few years the players will be under a hundred bucks, and the discs around 20 bucks
SO TELL YOUR "SHAREHOLDERS" TO GET INTO SOFTWARE.
Thats where the REAL money is

But if a company doesn't sell s/w then why would they care about.... Oh skip it. It's not worth it.

[E-Stat]

don't worry about it. because if you are THIS ignorant of basic business practices
you're gonna be thrown out on your keister by said shareholders....
SO TELL YOUR "SHAREHOLDERS" TO GET INTO SOFTWARE.
Thats where the REAL money is

Well, Mr. Pixel that is an interesting point of view. So you think that despite our forty plus years of profitable manufacturing experience in the audio-visual industry, we should now abandon our core competency and compete in the movie making industry?



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[E-Stat]

What is the value of the resistors on the tweeter's L-Pad? (you know those things that are actually choking off the current to the tweeter to lower it's output to match the woofer...

You're merely confusing the issue with facts, kex.

rw

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Well, Mr. Pixel that is an interesting point of view. So you think that despite our forty plus years of profitable manufacturing experience in the audio-visual industry, we should now abandon our core competency and compete in the movie making industry?



rw

E,
It is going to be a while before he answers this question. He is going to have to look up 75% of the words in your post before he comes up with a bass ackwards answer.

[E-Stat]

E,
It is going to be a while before he answers this question. He is going to have to look up 75% of the words in your post before he comes up with a bass ackwards answer.

All one can do is simply smile as to his lack of business acumen.

rw