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[kelsci]

"Kel, I am familiar with the set, I am just marveling at the fact that Pix is so stubborn, he ends up just sounding stupid. When presented evidence that he is wrong, he ignores it, and continues with his same rant. Its like he just quit learning at some point in his life"

Terrible One, I have a brother who almost does the same thing. Not easy to live with that part of him but everything else is A-OK. He does have a good system, but Kelsci has rules of "alignment" to get the best surround sound which are really quite similar to Dolby's diagrams of a 5.1 channel system. The way he installed his satellites are out of the realm to a great degree of Dolby , but more so, my own system which does outplay his in surround sound because I discovered many years ago how to align the system. As such I will leave it at that.

[pixelthis]

"Kel, I am familiar with the set, I am just marveling at the fact that Pix is so stubborn, he ends up just sounding stupid. When presented evidence that he is wrong, he ignores it, and continues with his same rant. Its like he just quit learning at some point in his life"

Terrible One, I have a brother who almost does the same thing. Not easy to live with that part of him but everything else is A-OK. He does have a good system, but Kelsci has rules of "alignment" to get the best surround sound which are really quite similar to Dolby's diagrams of a 5.1 channel system. The way he installed his satellites are out of the realm to a great degree of Dolby , but more so, my own system which does outplay his in surround sound because I discovered many years ago how to align the system. As such I will leave it at that.

to quote my hero Bugs Bunny...WHAT A MAROON.
My sats are placed the way they are because of a door on
one side and a window on the other.
And "alignment" is a horse and buggy concept when you can
fix a lot of problems with level adjustment and programs like
AUDDESSY.
Not to mention speaker placement is not critical in HT, soundtracks were designed to please the most in a huge theater,
there is a lot of flexibility.
AND my main concern is the fronts, because I am primarily an audio person, but as far as surround goes, my system sounds
great.
And I will leave it at that.

[Woochifer]

My sats are placed the way they are because of a door on
one side and a window on the other.
And "alignment" is a horse and buggy concept when you can
fix a lot of problems with level adjustment and programs like
AUDDESSY.

Total BS. Audyssey will only make adjustments for level and delay timing. It won't fix issues that arise out of asymmetrical sound dispersion or early reflections.

Not to mention speaker placement is not critical in HT, soundtracks were designed to please the most in a huge theater,
there is a lot of flexibility.

Not for DVD/Blu-ray soundtracks that were remixed for a 5.1 home theater alignment. Nowadays, that applies to most big budget studio releases. In those cases, the surround speaker positioning is absolutely critical.

Kelsci is totally correct in citing the Dolby alignment recommendations. It's fine to work within room limitations, but don't try to generalize the findings from your room conditions onto others whose rooms do allow for more precise speaker alignment.

AND my main concern is the fronts, because I am primarily an audio person, but as far as surround goes, my system sounds
great.
And I will leave it at that.

So, if your front speakers were also misaligned, are you saying Audyssey would fix that? If alignment is "horse and buggy" stuff for the surround speakers, then why wouldn't it be for the fronts as well? And just because something sounds "great" to you, that doesn't mean that it can't sound better.

[kelsci]

Quote from Pixelthis:"to quote my hero Bugs Bunny...WHAT A MAROON.
My sats are placed the way they are because of a door on
one side and a window on the other.
And "alignment" is a horse and buggy concept when you can
fix a lot of problems with level adjustment and programs like
AUDDESSY.
Not to mention speaker placement is not critical in HT, soundtracks were designed to please the most in a huge theater,
there is a lot of flexibility.
AND my main concern is the fronts, because I am primarily an audio person, but as far as surround goes, my system sounds
great.
And I will leave it at that.

Pixel; your calling the wrong person a "maroon". I am glad you system sounds great. I am familiar with the Audessey program since my brother bought a new Denon receiver recently(3311) As good as it is it does not compensate for certain physical measurements and placements of the the whole 5.1 channel set-up. Two channel set-ups are important in relation to your ear level sitting position of the speakers. As far as your set-up goes, you probably did the best you could in hooking up your system because of certain physical barriers. So I do not know if you" jumped the shark" because I never heard your system. I just heard my brothers system one hour ago. If he had set it up properly it would be nearly perfect but it is not. There is certain physical measurement criteria to meet although I can tell you it is not difficult to do. The Dolby labs diagram is IMHO close to what I do but if I recall does not indicate certain "physical measurements" that I know from a hell of a lot of trial and error. My own system is not elaborate at all made up of Minimus 7's for the left-right-surround- an a old garrard M-T-M speaker that I use as a center channel. If you had a center channel would you know if the two woofers are high impedance types wired in parallel or two low impedance types wired in series. I know that the former is why I use the garrard but I have opened up speakers and measured their DC resistance(an item that is most important though others do not think so which is their mistake. The following is a link to my electronics blog. It tells alot of what I have done and what I have owned in the past. So when I write on this site, I do not throw any bull. http://kelsci3.blogspot.com/

[Hyfi]

Quote from Pixelthis:"to quote my hero Bugs Bunny...WHAT A MAROON.
My sats are placed the way they are because of a door on
one side and a window on the other.
And "alignment" is a horse and buggy concept when you can
fix a lot of problems with level adjustment and programs like
AUDDESSY.
Not to mention speaker placement is not critical in HT, soundtracks were designed to please the most in a huge theater,
there is a lot of flexibility.
AND my main concern is the fronts, because I am primarily an audio person, but as far as surround goes, my system sounds
great.
And I will leave it at that.

Pixel; your calling the wrong person a "maroon". I am glad you system sounds great. I am familiar with the Audessey program since my brother bought a new Denon receiver recently(3311) As good as it is it does not compensate for certain physical measurements and placements of the the whole 5.1 channel set-up. Two channel set-ups are important in relation to your ear level sitting position of the speakers. As far as your set-up goes, you probably did the best you could in hooking up your system because of certain physical barriers. So I do not know if you" jumped the shark" because I never heard your system. I just heard my brothers system one hour ago. If he had set it up properly it would be nearly perfect but it is not. There is certain physical measurement criteria to meet although I can tell you it is not difficult to do. The Dolby labs diagram is IMHO close to what I do but if I recall does not indicate certain "physical measurements" that I know from a hell of a lot of trial and error. My own system is not elaborate at all made up of Minimus 7's for the left-right-surround- an a old garrard M-T-M speaker that I use as a center channel. If you had a center channel would you know if the two woofers are high impedance types wired in parallel or two low impedance types wired in series. I know that the former is why I use the garrard but I have opened up speakers and measured their DC resistance(an item that is most important though others do not think so which is their mistake. The following is a link to my electronics blog. It tells alot of what I have done and what I have owned in the past. So when I write on this site, I do not throw any bull. http://kelsci3.blogspot.com/

It's already been pointed out several times that AUDDESSY does not fix all room issues and reflection points. But then again, it always takes time for it to sink in.

[bfalls]

I don't think Auddessy can compensate for PIX's center channel being set too far back. At a minimum, it should be forward enough sound isn't bouncing off the table causing early, or in his case, immediate reflections. It smears the sound and makes the center less detailed. No criticism, just helpful advice.

I won't dis someone because of their system. I understand we all buy what we can afford, or care to spend. I know my systems limitations. I could do more with room treatment and can afford to, but feel the panels are too expensive and can be detrimental to the aesthetics of the room. Since my media room is also my family room, I've made compromises.

I'm also aware of my physical limitations as an older male. My ears aren't what they used to be. It adds to my threshold of diminishing returns. I have Dave Moulton's Golden Ears "Eartraining Course" CD set and understand what to listen for as far as freq resp, distortion, timber, etc... So I know how and what to listen for. But knowing my limitations, there are just some parms I can't/won't comment on, such as high-end (for me above 16KHz, and some low level micro acoustics). This is why PIX is always being called out. He speaks in generalities, except when he want to argrue, then he gets very specific and somewhat creative when the truth doesn't fit his agenda.

If he's happy with his system, more power to him. If he wants to improve it he should listen to advice more and speak less.